How long before an NRA gun show near Oikos University?

[RedCloud]

I admit I am upset about the gun show too close and too soon after Columbine and think lightning may strike again. We need to stand our ground against these guns over people crazies and not allow them to show their winky wink sympathy support for the guns used.

[slackmaster]

1. The Crossroads of the West gun show will be at the Cow Palace April 14-15

I don't know if that qualifies as an "NRA gun show." but it's a gun show.

http://www.crossroadsgunshows.com/calendar.php

We need to stand our ground against these guns over people crazies and not allow them to show their winky wink sympathy support for the guns used.

You should go to a gun show some time. You might learn something.

[jpak]

37. I have and it was Loon City

Lots of anti-liberal literature and bumper stickers - and targets.

Lots of copies of the Turner Diaries for sale.

Lots of Confederate flag stuff.

Lots of over sized magazines for sale.

Lots of military-style weapons for sale.

Lots of slackjaws reeking of alcohol buying and carrying guns.

Lots of fundies with their obedient wives buying guns.

Lots of white folks - no African Americans or Latinos

So yeah, I learned a lot.

yup

[slackmaster]

38. So, people having interests and opinions that differ from yours makes them "loons"

Got it.

[jpak]

39. Wackos with guns is what I saw

and when the gun-toting slackjaw reeking booze tried to engage me in conversation....

I left in a hurry.

yup

[slackmaster]

41. That sounds like a textbook example of perception being influenced by prejudice

[jpak]

43. No - it's called simple observation

Care to comment why the 'Turner Diaries' is for sale at a gun show?

[slackmaster]

48. Do you remember the solar energy system I put on my house last year? Guess where I met the vendor.

At the Crossroads of the West Gun Show in Del Mar.

Care to comment why the 'Turner Diaries' is for sale at a gun show?

Probably for the same reason it's for sale at Amazon.com.

[jpak]

49. I would suggest it is for sale at gun shows because the 'Turner Diaries' have a big fan club there

[slackmaster]

50. I'll bet you haven't read The Turner Diaries. I have.

It sucks as literature.

ETA I have also read Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler. It sucks too.

[DonP]

2. Not a "Gun Show" after Columbine

The NRA had their annual meeting scheduled in Denver for three years before Columbine and is required by their charter (and the law) to hold an annual meeting. After Columbine they cancelled all the events except the required legal board meeting and voting session.

The NRA does not hold gun shows. They do allow exhibits at their annual meetings but nothing is for sale Those are usually organized by state or local shooting groups.

[X_Digger]

5. There you go, injecting facts and reason into a perfectly good rant-in-the-making.

Keep it up!

[joeglow3]

6. Get your fucking facts our of here.

[Johnny Rico]

7. +1

[Kaleva]

15. +2

[joeybee12]

33. Speaking of facts, the NRA could have moved it...

But that's not keeping with their in your face fuck you mentality.

[belcffub]

42. I stand with jon stewart on this one...

right around the 7 minute mark

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-august-19-2010/extremist-makeover---homeland-edition

[SomethingFishy]

51. True.. however, just because it was planned in advance

does not mean it wasn't rude, cold-hearted and downright nasty to stand in Denver waving a gun over your head screaming "from my cold dead hands" while families and friends were trying to make sense of the Columbine shootings.

Being an NRA member doesn't absolve you of the responsibility of being a decent person.

[DonP]

52. Any idea what's involved in moving a meeting with thousands of attendees on two weeks notice?

That have already booked thousands of hotel rooms and dinners at local restaurants? I'm sure you wouldn't mind chipping in to pay for the cancellation fees involved.

Let me guess you've never actually organized or run a meeting with 20,000 plus attendees involved?

The NRA had nothing to do with Columbine. The two criminals that did the shootings broke any number of laws to get and use their illegal weapons.

But the NRA bent over backwards to dial down the meeting as much as they could and a lot of people, including sponsors, maids, bellmen, cab drivers, Union electricians etc. lost thousands of $ of income when they cancelled all the exhibits and extraneous meetings and sessions.

They had scheduled this meeting three years in advance in Denver. Pssst. I don't need your "absolution" or snark from your pie hole to tell me what I need to do to be a "decent person".

And your "waving a gun over your head screaming 'from my cold dead hands'" is another NRA meeting, not in Denver. But we're used to people lying about the NRA, so you fit right in.

[Hoyt]

3. You'll learn something at gun shows alright. You'll see a bunch of Zimmermans and drooling over the

latest and greatest lethal weapons.

Many of those there are deeply into guns, and likely strap one or two on before going to your local Chuck E Cheeze, city parks and just about everywhere else. (Of course, the gun show promoters -- recognizing who they draw -- usually do not allow loaded guns or concealed guns into the "show.&quot

Unless you are deeply into guns, you'll leave questioning how we let the NRA and other right wing organizations influence legislators to enact relaxed gun laws. You'll also question what all these folks arming up (and diligently training to shoot people) means to our society's future.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

9. Clearly you have never been to one...

And are as usual talking through your hat

[Hoyt]

13. They are all pretty much the same.

http://floridagunshows.com/

In Florida, you can go caress a bunch of guns and take a 2 hour course and get you a concealed carry permit. That simple. The one coming up in April might even have Zimmerman giving autographs and hugs.

[PavePusher]

18. Can you show us, at the link you provided...

"You'll see a bunch of Zimmermans and drooling over the latest and greatest lethal weapons."

...any of these folks?

[Hoyt]

19. Post #17 has a link for you. Hundreds of gun show photos.

[Snake Alchemist]

16. ROFL. Obviously, you've never been to one. nt

[Hoyt]

17. Here you go -- hundreds of photos of typical gun shows. Notice what a "diverse" group attends.

http://www.google.com/search?q=photos+of+gun+shows&hl=en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=KVB7T6SBB5Se8gTo9pnxBA&ved=0CCoQsAQ&biw=960&bih=496


Most of the attendees look like they could use some real exercise other than rubbing their guns.

[PavePusher]

20. Very diverse, actually. Well done. Finally, a piece of truth from you....

...even if it was surely an accident on your part.

I hear that foot will taste better with ketchup.

[Hoyt]

24. Does "diverse" = old white guys to you? I did see a photo of Obama and caption of "gun-grabber."

[Johnny Rico]

29. Not "old white guys"! Say it isn't so!

Why, they're the scourge of mankind!

[Hoyt]

30. They are when Tbaggers, gun nuts, and NRA supporters.

[slackmaster]

40. There's an easy fix for that supposed lack of diversity

Everyone should go to a gun show to check it out.

[Hoyt]

46. Who wants to see people talking about stopping power, fondling guns and

talking Zimmerman crud.

[slackmaster]

47. If none of that interests you, there is always beef jerky

[Snake Alchemist]

26. You should look at your links before posting them.

[belcffub]

44. or this one

great slice of America right here

[slackmaster]

34. Please note that real gun shows bear little similarity to the gun show inside of Hoyt's head

[Johnny Rico]

4. And the negative consequence of the NRA holding their annual meeting in Denver,

scheduled years in advance of the Columbine incident, was...?

And, as others have already pointed, the NRA doesn't hold "gun shows".

[COLGATE4]

8. Shows shockingly bad taste

at a minimum, but I wouldn't expect a little thing like that to bother them.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

11. Actually it showed extreme sensitivity...

minimized the events to those required by law.

[COLGATE4]

21. That's certainly an example of 'extreme sensitivity'...

[PavePusher]

25. For someone who claims to be a lawyer, "required by law" seems to fly right past you. n/t

[COLGATE4]

31. I don't 'claim to be' a lawyer. I am one.

If you'd like I'll be happy to PM you my Bar information and you can check it for yourself. And the notion that because the annual meeting is required by their corporate by-laws in no way legally says that they cannot change meeting dates and times. Annual meetings get postponed and changed all the time. Just a straw man.

[PavePusher]

32. Here, looks like you're almost out of this:

[COLGATE4]

35. Welcome to my ignore list

[Johnny Rico]

12. They were *required* to hold their annual meeting.

What would you have recommended they do?

[PavePusher]

14. What is it about facts that so repels you? n/t

[COLGATE4]

22. Just what facts are we talking about?

That I think having the NRA meeting close to Columbine so close to the tragedy is an example of bad taste?

[PavePusher]

23. Right, because a legally required meeting for several hundred or thousand people....

scheduled years in advance, can be canceled on a weeks notice and moved to entirely different location... I suspect you'd still be manufacturing synthetic moral self-righteousness if they moved the meeting to Mars.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

10. Yet another false screed brutalized by cold mean facts (n/t)

[PavePusher]

27. What minimum distance in time and space would be acceptable?

What if an event has been planned for many months? Do you expect them to simply shut it down? Are you willing to offer financial compensation for everyone affected?

[X_Digger]

28. OMG, the 2011 Detroit Auto Show went on as planned, even though..

.. 90 people died in traffic fatalities the day before, and 630 the week before that!* And 937 in Michigan that year!**

And to think, car dealerships were even open!


* 32,788 folks died in traffic fatalities in 2010. http://www.nhtsa.gov/PR/NHTSA-05-11

** http://www.michigan.gov/msp/0,1607,7-123-1645_3501_4626---,00.html

I'm having as hard a time trying to tie the detroit auto show to highway deaths as you are, trying to tie the NRA to Columbine.

[ileus]

36. Does the NRA run gun shows?

[krispos42]

45. How long before a mosque near Ground Zero?

We need to stand our ground...


Same argument, different nouns.