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TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
Mon Apr 2, 2012, 11:06 PM Apr 2012

How facebook snooping by prospective employers can come back to bite them on the butt.

http://raganwald.posterous.com/i-hereby-resign

I got her out of the room as quickly as possible. The next few interviews were a blur, I was shaken. And then it happened again. This time, I found myself talking to a young man fresh out of University about a development position. After allowing me to surf his Facebook, he asked me how I felt about parenting. As a parent, it was easy to say I liked the idea. Then he dropped the bombshell.

His partner was expecting, and shortly after being hired he would be taking six months of parental leave as required by Ontario law. I told him that he should not have discussed this matter with me. “Oh normally I wouldn’t, but since you’re looking through my Facebook, you know that already. Now of course, you would never refuse to hire someone because they plan to exercise their legal right to parental leave, would you?”

What could I say? I guess we have another hire whether he’s qualified or not. Here’s the bottom line: My ability to select the best candidates for our positions has been irreparably compromised by looking into their private lives. I’ve been “tainted” by knowledge of their sexual orientation, illnesses, religion, political affiliations, and other factors that expose us to anti-discrimination legislation. We can't even claim that the employee improperly disclosed these matters to us, as we are the ones initiating the investigation of their private doings.

/snip

I suggest you try it.
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How facebook snooping by prospective employers can come back to bite them on the butt. (Original Post) TalkingDog Apr 2012 OP
TalkingDog, this makes sense. Ecumenist Apr 2012 #1
That makes a good point. pacalo Apr 2012 #2
That's why you're not supposed to ask Qs like that in interviews. SunSeeker Apr 2012 #3
I had a person in class tell me what former company used software to hack into Facebook slampoet Apr 2012 #4
It actually makes sense to be sure ALL that stuff is on your Facebook page before applying... saras Apr 2012 #5
Cool story, bro. n/t LoZoccolo Apr 2012 #6
Look at meeee! I'm stealin memes from 4chan! U MAAAAAAAD BRO! sudopod Apr 2012 #13
are you saying it's a lie? CreekDog Apr 2012 #16
It is a fictional story. NutmegYankee Apr 2012 #24
yes, but does the hypothetical show the problem with asking for FB passwords? CreekDog Apr 2012 #26
Very good point. surrealAmerican Apr 2012 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Vincardog Apr 2012 #8
The problem is you have to prove it wasn't the reason he or she wasn't hired. (nt) jeff47 Apr 2012 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author Vincardog Apr 2012 #11
When those not hired sue, claiming the non-hiring was due to illegal discrimination. (nt) jeff47 Apr 2012 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author Vincardog Apr 2012 #15
the potential employer just said why they didn't want to hire him CreekDog Apr 2012 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author Vincardog Apr 2012 #19
do you even support anti discrimination laws? CreekDog Apr 2012 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author Vincardog Apr 2012 #21
No, the interviewer did, by accessing private information obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #25
In a civil matter such as this... markpkessinger Apr 2012 #22
As a sibling post mentioned, this isn't a criminal trial. jeff47 Apr 2012 #23
I like it. kudzu22 Apr 2012 #9
Yawn - this is Canada, where they care about stuff like this jpak Apr 2012 #14
our anti discrimination laws, not as good, but still cover these types of situations CreekDog Apr 2012 #18

pacalo

(24,721 posts)
2. That makes a good point.
Mon Apr 2, 2012, 11:56 PM
Apr 2012

Snoopy employers should beware of Facebook pages containing information that could set them up for anti-discrimination lawsuits.


SunSeeker

(51,579 posts)
3. That's why you're not supposed to ask Qs like that in interviews.
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 12:34 AM
Apr 2012

And yet, by snooping through someone's facebook page, those (age, sexual orientation, marital status, medical history, politics, religion) are exactly the questions you are asking--and getting answered. I am not a labor law expert, but I can't see how this sort of snooping is legal to begin with. Even if the employee gives you permission to look, you should not have asked in the first place, as this post's excellent Karma lesson teaches.

slampoet

(5,032 posts)
4. I had a person in class tell me what former company used software to hack into Facebook
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 12:38 AM
Apr 2012

when looking up applicants. I dropped a dime on them the other day.

Using hacking software across state lines is a Federal Crime.

 

saras

(6,670 posts)
5. It actually makes sense to be sure ALL that stuff is on your Facebook page before applying...
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 01:56 AM
Apr 2012

"My Facebook page? You understand that has racial, religious, medical, political, and sexual orientation information on it, don't you? Isn't it illegal to use that information in the hiring process? But sure, if you insist."

But if you really want that job you might, as TalkingDog suggests, want to hold back your revelation for the most strategic time.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
26. yes, but does the hypothetical show the problem with asking for FB passwords?
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 06:41 PM
Apr 2012

or access to FB profiles?

Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

Response to jeff47 (Reply #10)

Response to jeff47 (Reply #12)

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
17. the potential employer just said why they didn't want to hire him
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 04:48 PM
Apr 2012

because of the expected parental leave.

pretty clear actually.

Response to CreekDog (Reply #17)

Response to CreekDog (Reply #20)

obamanut2012

(26,085 posts)
25. No, the interviewer did, by accessing private information
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 06:06 PM
Apr 2012

Most people's profiles have personal and private info, unless it's a company or other organization.

markpkessinger

(8,401 posts)
22. In a civil matter such as this...
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 05:10 PM
Apr 2012

... the standard for determining a case is what can be established by the "preponderance of evidence" presented. What that means, in reality, is that the burden falls on both parties to make their case.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
23. As a sibling post mentioned, this isn't a criminal trial.
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 05:23 PM
Apr 2012

As a practical mater, both parties have a burden of proof in a civil trial.

The non-hired person gets to say "they hacked my Facebook and then didn't hire me!". That makes the company look like a big evil monster. So now the jury is all set to punish the evil company that is trying to take the food out of this poor man/woman's children's mouths.

The company will claim it didn't discriminate, but that's gonna be very hard for them to prove. The vast majority of the time, there isn't a clear winner between potential candidates. So it's unlikely that they'll be able to point to the actual hire being better in some measurable way. So it comes down to what the jury thinks was going on in the heads of the hiring manager and HR people. Which means the company is very likely to lose.

jpak

(41,758 posts)
14. Yawn - this is Canada, where they care about stuff like this
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 04:33 PM
Apr 2012

In the Live Free or Die Don't Tread on Me USA?

not so much

yup

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