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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums55+ Medicare buy-in option
Obama should propose that now and run on it as part of his campaign.
Only upsides to doing this that I can see.
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Gidney N Cloyd
(19,843 posts)PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)tsuki
(11,994 posts)Presently for shitty insurance, I know people that pay over 700.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Part A is hospital care -- the most expensive component.
I support Medicare for all, but it won't be as cheap as many of us want.
msongs
(67,421 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)for everyone is a viable option.
Isn't his health care taxpayer funded?
0+ buy in. Medicare for All.
DURHAM D
(32,610 posts)You think that the 0 -64 shouldn't buy in?
Uncle Joe
(58,376 posts)Unless I read it wrong.
Rosco T.
(6,496 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,376 posts)Americans will always do the right thing after they've exhausted all the alternatives.
Winston Churchill.
SunSeeker
(51,579 posts)Don't know whether to laugh or cry.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Medicare Part A is no cost.
Medicare Part B is means tested, so seniors with more income are charged more than the minimum.
Medicare Part D for Drugs, varies by the insurance company that you get it from.
My last bill for Medicare Part C (Medicare Advantage Plan) said $590.40 / yr for Medical and $788.40 / yr for drugs (Part D).
So the total annual cost for me is $2577.60.
Medicare is individual, so for the two of us, Medicare is $5155.20 / year.
I could go with less expensive Medicare Advantage plans, or stick with basic Medicare at greater risk of out of pocket payments.
Uncle Joe
(58,376 posts)and/or the cost to the government per member would be less.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)The premiums for seniors are being susidized by all the working folks under 65 who are paying Medicare taxes and aren't getting benefits.
Uncle Joe
(58,376 posts)The younger pool, consolidation of forms, time, energy and reduction or loss of profit motive will drive down medical costs as well.
If medical costs are lower premiums will follow suit.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)drug companies, medical suppliers, etc. will still have the same profit motives as they have now. And they have plenty of political clout, since they are close to 16% of the economy.
The only thing that will drive down medical costs is shrinking the medical establishment, which is a lot more than insurance companies.
In many county seats across the country, the medical center is the biggest building and employer --replacing whatever manufacturer used to be there.
Uncle Joe
(58,376 posts)will be the easiest to replace as that system is the most dysfunctional and least connected to actual health care.
As it is the for profit "health" insurance system magnifies the worst traits of those others, whether it be greed, duplication, inefficiency or corruption.
Having a uniform national procurement system as the dominant form of coverage would carry a great deal of clout with those other institutions.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)They do so by negotiating payment rates with the providers and by denying payment for services.
Otherwise, the providers would provide anything and everything that the medical consumer could possibly benefit from no matter what the cost.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)They get to keep percentages of what comes across their desk. There is NO incentive for them to hold down costs. There is every incentive to increase the $ amount of money they get in the door. $2.52 billion stuck in their collective pockets in 3 months of last year alone, here. The latest in a string of 6 quarterly increases in profit.
For example, when they last denied my medicine, one which has been generic for a number of years, a bottle which used to cost $17 just a few years ago now costs $125 cash price. It has only gone up, along with thousands upon thousands of others. They get a negotiated price that is nearer $25 not because it holds down costs but because it is necessary for them to forecast their costs and create a rate that puts as much money in their pockets as possible. It benefits them more if the price goes up in the negotiation, as the greedy bastards claw part of their profits from percentages, the rest by denying care to the sick and aged, the most vulnerable among us. With the new restrictions limiting their percentage to 15% the only way they can continue increased revenue growth is to see those costs rise and raise their rates. When is the last time you saw a corporation say they are going to work to lower profits?
Medicare, on the other hand, can drive the same deals, for an even larger group, for 3%. I fail to see the savings in for-[s]profit[/s]theft health care.
$2.51 billion in one three month period. That could have paid a bit toward the 50-55 million people have no health care.
eridani
(51,907 posts)--take care of everyone, no exceptions, for about half of what we spend per capita?
Hawkowl
(5,213 posts)Insurers deny services because they maximize their profits by taking your premium and insuring you die before you use up your benefits.
Get a fucking clue.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)For one thing, how would we pay for it? Second thing is, people are tired of battles over health care reform. If it's done, it probably should be an all-out Medicare for All.
eridani
(51,907 posts)As Kucinich once said, "We are ALREADY PAYING for universal health care. We just aren't GETTING it." Health care is the only social problem we have that does NOT require spending more than we are already spending.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)You do realize that private health ins. is involved in Medicare, right?
eridani
(51,907 posts)--subsidies for Medicare Advantage. I have no problem with hiring insurance companies to process claims, as long as they are overseen by by the government.
Better Believe It
(18,630 posts)kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)I heartily approve of this proposal!!
Old and In the Way
(37,540 posts)Private insurance sucks. Not looking for a free lunch, but I don't want to negotiate claims and help buy a CEO his 2nd home in Monte Carlo, either.
a kennedy
(29,682 posts)would love this buy in to medicare.
Horse with no Name
(33,956 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)with the gas pedal mashed to the floor. Now, that's uniquely American.
mainer
(12,022 posts)Otherwise only the sick will buy in and the system collapses from expenses.