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55+ Medicare buy-in option (Original Post) SHRED Apr 2012 OP
Works for me. K+R Gidney N Cloyd Apr 2012 #1
How much will it cost for people to 'buy-in' ? n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2012 #2
Medicare recipients pay 25% of premium? Is that 4x99.9? tsuki Apr 2012 #5
I think that is for Part B It does not include Part A Hoyt Apr 2012 #9
except he thinks mandated corporate provided HC is the only viable option lol nt msongs Apr 2012 #3
He thinks it's better than government run health care which means he doesn't think that Medicare SammyWinstonJack Apr 2012 #29
No. Rosco T. Apr 2012 #4
When you turn 65 you buy into Medicare. DURHAM D Apr 2012 #6
I believe the poster was stating you should be eligible to buy in at birth? Uncle Joe Apr 2012 #8
Got it in one :) Rosco T. Apr 2012 #24
I believe this is the best and simplest solution but taking Churchill's observation to mind... Uncle Joe Apr 2012 #7
Ain't that the truth! SunSeeker Apr 2012 #20
Medicare Part B costs $1198.80/yr for lower income 65+ retirees -- typically withheld from SS FarCenter Apr 2012 #10
If all age brackets were allowed to to buy in, I imagine the premiums would be even lower Uncle Joe Apr 2012 #11
The premiums would be higher. FarCenter Apr 2012 #12
That doesn't have to change, they will no longer be buying private for profit insurance. Uncle Joe Apr 2012 #13
Hospitals, clinics, diagnostic centers, doctors, nurses, medical labs, equipment vendors FarCenter Apr 2012 #16
The for profit "health" insurance industry Uncle Joe Apr 2012 #18
The for profit health insurance industry is the only thing that keeps costs down FarCenter Apr 2012 #21
^ That statement is a serious load of crap. No disrespect intended, but they are not our friends. jtuck004 Apr 2012 #23
What crap. How is it that other industrialized countries-- eridani Apr 2012 #25
Seriously? Hawkowl Apr 2012 #33
I like it, but it's impractical, unless the ACA is ruled unconstitutional or something like that. Honeycombe8 Apr 2012 #14
That is a meaningless question eridani Apr 2012 #26
That is precisely the question. I'm waiting for the answer. How are we going to pay for it. Honeycombe8 Apr 2012 #28
We eliminate private insurance from Medicare. ACA made a good start in eliminating-- eridani Apr 2012 #35
He should also propose an increase in the minimum wage .... but won't. Better Believe It Apr 2012 #15
I turned 55 this year, and got priced out of medical insurance 5 years ago. kestrel91316 Apr 2012 #17
I'm paying $1500/mo...you betcha I'd go for this. Old and In the Way Apr 2012 #19
We're pay 1200 a month for insurance..... a kennedy Apr 2012 #34
I'd rather it be 50...:) n/t Horse with no Name Apr 2012 #22
Gotta vote for him anyway, but this would help ease the nausea. n/t Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #27
Don't look for that to happen. SammyWinstonJack Apr 2012 #30
I don't. I expect that we will continue to race over the cliff Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #32
Can't be voluntary; it must be mandated for everyone that age. mainer Apr 2012 #31

tsuki

(11,994 posts)
5. Medicare recipients pay 25% of premium? Is that 4x99.9?
Mon Apr 2, 2012, 10:20 PM
Apr 2012

Presently for shitty insurance, I know people that pay over 700.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
9. I think that is for Part B It does not include Part A
Mon Apr 2, 2012, 10:40 PM
Apr 2012

Part A is hospital care -- the most expensive component.

I support Medicare for all, but it won't be as cheap as many of us want.

SammyWinstonJack

(44,130 posts)
29. He thinks it's better than government run health care which means he doesn't think that Medicare
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 08:38 AM
Apr 2012

for everyone is a viable option.


Isn't his health care taxpayer funded?

Uncle Joe

(58,376 posts)
7. I believe this is the best and simplest solution but taking Churchill's observation to mind...
Mon Apr 2, 2012, 10:35 PM
Apr 2012

“Americans will always do the right thing after they've exhausted all the alternatives.”

Winston Churchill.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
10. Medicare Part B costs $1198.80/yr for lower income 65+ retirees -- typically withheld from SS
Mon Apr 2, 2012, 10:45 PM
Apr 2012

Medicare Part A is no cost.

Medicare Part B is means tested, so seniors with more income are charged more than the minimum.

Medicare Part D for Drugs, varies by the insurance company that you get it from.

My last bill for Medicare Part C (Medicare Advantage Plan) said $590.40 / yr for Medical and $788.40 / yr for drugs (Part D).

So the total annual cost for me is $2577.60.

Medicare is individual, so for the two of us, Medicare is $5155.20 / year.

I could go with less expensive Medicare Advantage plans, or stick with basic Medicare at greater risk of out of pocket payments.

Uncle Joe

(58,376 posts)
11. If all age brackets were allowed to to buy in, I imagine the premiums would be even lower
Mon Apr 2, 2012, 10:55 PM
Apr 2012

and/or the cost to the government per member would be less.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
12. The premiums would be higher.
Mon Apr 2, 2012, 11:07 PM
Apr 2012

The premiums for seniors are being susidized by all the working folks under 65 who are paying Medicare taxes and aren't getting benefits.

Uncle Joe

(58,376 posts)
13. That doesn't have to change, they will no longer be buying private for profit insurance.
Mon Apr 2, 2012, 11:15 PM
Apr 2012

The younger pool, consolidation of forms, time, energy and reduction or loss of profit motive will drive down medical costs as well.

If medical costs are lower premiums will follow suit.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
16. Hospitals, clinics, diagnostic centers, doctors, nurses, medical labs, equipment vendors
Mon Apr 2, 2012, 11:35 PM
Apr 2012

drug companies, medical suppliers, etc. will still have the same profit motives as they have now. And they have plenty of political clout, since they are close to 16% of the economy.

The only thing that will drive down medical costs is shrinking the medical establishment, which is a lot more than insurance companies.

In many county seats across the country, the medical center is the biggest building and employer --replacing whatever manufacturer used to be there.

Uncle Joe

(58,376 posts)
18. The for profit "health" insurance industry
Mon Apr 2, 2012, 11:53 PM
Apr 2012

will be the easiest to replace as that system is the most dysfunctional and least connected to actual health care.

As it is the for profit "health" insurance system magnifies the worst traits of those others, whether it be greed, duplication, inefficiency or corruption.

Having a uniform national procurement system as the dominant form of coverage would carry a great deal of clout with those other institutions.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
21. The for profit health insurance industry is the only thing that keeps costs down
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 12:16 AM
Apr 2012

They do so by negotiating payment rates with the providers and by denying payment for services.

Otherwise, the providers would provide anything and everything that the medical consumer could possibly benefit from no matter what the cost.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
23. ^ That statement is a serious load of crap. No disrespect intended, but they are not our friends.
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 12:54 AM
Apr 2012

They get to keep percentages of what comes across their desk. There is NO incentive for them to hold down costs. There is every incentive to increase the $ amount of money they get in the door. $2.52 billion stuck in their collective pockets in 3 months of last year alone, here. The latest in a string of 6 quarterly increases in profit.

For example, when they last denied my medicine, one which has been generic for a number of years, a bottle which used to cost $17 just a few years ago now costs $125 cash price. It has only gone up, along with thousands upon thousands of others. They get a negotiated price that is nearer $25 not because it holds down costs but because it is necessary for them to forecast their costs and create a rate that puts as much money in their pockets as possible. It benefits them more if the price goes up in the negotiation, as the greedy bastards claw part of their profits from percentages, the rest by denying care to the sick and aged, the most vulnerable among us. With the new restrictions limiting their percentage to 15% the only way they can continue increased revenue growth is to see those costs rise and raise their rates. When is the last time you saw a corporation say they are going to work to lower profits?

Medicare, on the other hand, can drive the same deals, for an even larger group, for 3%. I fail to see the savings in for-[s]profit[/s]theft health care.

$2.51 billion in one three month period. That could have paid a bit toward the 50-55 million people have no health care.



eridani

(51,907 posts)
25. What crap. How is it that other industrialized countries--
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 01:52 AM
Apr 2012

--take care of everyone, no exceptions, for about half of what we spend per capita?

 

Hawkowl

(5,213 posts)
33. Seriously?
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 11:06 AM
Apr 2012

Insurers deny services because they maximize their profits by taking your premium and insuring you die before you use up your benefits.
Get a fucking clue.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
14. I like it, but it's impractical, unless the ACA is ruled unconstitutional or something like that.
Mon Apr 2, 2012, 11:17 PM
Apr 2012

For one thing, how would we pay for it? Second thing is, people are tired of battles over health care reform. If it's done, it probably should be an all-out Medicare for All.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
26. That is a meaningless question
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 01:54 AM
Apr 2012

As Kucinich once said, "We are ALREADY PAYING for universal health care. We just aren't GETTING it." Health care is the only social problem we have that does NOT require spending more than we are already spending.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
28. That is precisely the question. I'm waiting for the answer. How are we going to pay for it.
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 08:32 AM
Apr 2012

You do realize that private health ins. is involved in Medicare, right?

eridani

(51,907 posts)
35. We eliminate private insurance from Medicare. ACA made a good start in eliminating--
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 05:33 PM
Apr 2012

--subsidies for Medicare Advantage. I have no problem with hiring insurance companies to process claims, as long as they are overseen by by the government.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
17. I turned 55 this year, and got priced out of medical insurance 5 years ago.
Mon Apr 2, 2012, 11:43 PM
Apr 2012

I heartily approve of this proposal!!

Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
19. I'm paying $1500/mo...you betcha I'd go for this.
Mon Apr 2, 2012, 11:54 PM
Apr 2012

Private insurance sucks. Not looking for a free lunch, but I don't want to negotiate claims and help buy a CEO his 2nd home in Monte Carlo, either.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
32. I don't. I expect that we will continue to race over the cliff
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 10:51 AM
Apr 2012

with the gas pedal mashed to the floor. Now, that's uniquely American.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
31. Can't be voluntary; it must be mandated for everyone that age.
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 08:45 AM
Apr 2012

Otherwise only the sick will buy in and the system collapses from expenses.

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