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By Travis Gettys
Wednesday, June 11, 2014 14:38 EDT
David Brat, who won a surprise victory over House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, warned of another Hitler in a 13-page essay on theology and banking.
The economics professor, who won at Randolph-Macon College said church folk and his liberal pals should extend their inclusiveness to capitalists.
We need to get our story straight on capitalism and faith, Brat wrote. The two can go together and they had better go together, or we will not transform anything.
He said capitalism was here to stay, and he said the church should reflect that reality.
Read Nietzsche. Nietzsches diagnosis of the weak modern Christian democratic man was spot on, Brat wrote. Jesus was a great man. Jesus said he was the Son of God. Jesus made things happen. Jesus had faith. Jesus actually made people better. Then came the Christians. What happened? What went wrong?
We appear to be a bit passive, he continued. Hitler came along, and he did not meet with unified resistance. I have the sinking feeling that it could all happen again, quite easily. The church should rise up higher than Nietzsche could see and prove him wrong.
He suggested that spreading Christianity would improve the economy.
Preach the gospel and change hearts and souls, Brat wrote. If we make all of the people good, markets will be good. Markets are made up of people.
If markets are bad, which they are, that means people are bad, which they are, he continued. Want good markets? Change the people.
Brat encouraged Christians to harshly condemn their neighbors sins.
We should love our neighbor so much that we actually believe in right and wrong, and do something about it, he wrote. If we all did the right thing and had the guts to spread the word, we would not need the government to backstop every action we take.
Brat wondered whether Christians could force others to follow their ethical teachings on social issues, and he said both Democrats and Republicans hypocritically imposed their values on the political system.
The government holds a monopoly on violence, Brat wrote. Any law that we vote for is ultimately backed by the full force of our government and military. Do we trust institutions of the government to ensure justice? Is that what history teaches us about the State? Or do we live in particularly lucky and fortunate times where the State can be trusted to do minimal justice?
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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/06/11/david-brat-warns-the-weak-modern-christian-democratic-man-will-submit-to-another-hitler/
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Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Louisiana1976
(3,962 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)They did when the Beast, Bush Sr Master Of Deception, won in '88 and then again when his his son, aspiring Anti-Christ, won in 2000. Very astute.
MerryBlooms
(11,771 posts)celebrating his win. If we thought Cantor was a fucking hot mess, we ain't seen nothing yet.
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)Glad Cantor is gone, not because I thought Brat would be better.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)Another friggin' christian whack job - bent on gettin' me "religion". None of these nut jobs ever KNEW Jesus - or "know" Jesus, for that matter. What they proclaim to know is from a fairy tale book written 300 years after Jesus was nailed up. And we're gonna make things better by living a fairy tale?
While I'm an atheist, I'd sure love to see a rapture take place. Those of us who LIVE as this Jesus directed and those of us who preach his directives - supposedly in his name - would NOT be ascending together.
Initech
(100,103 posts)cynzke
(1,254 posts)of Gitmo!
liberalmike27
(2,479 posts)I'm not upset about citing similarities to Nazis. I just get upset at direct comparisons, without saying what exactly those you are comparing with Hitler do, that resembles Hitler, or Nazis.
Republicans like to "say" Obama, or a Democrat will become Hitler. But they never say exactly how.
When I compare them, I say Republicans love white people, pretty much exclusively. They hate minorities, non whites, they might not make homosexuals wear pink triangles, like Nazis, but they certainly hate them. They hate Socialists, the Nazis, and they hate Communists. They loved wars, they wanted to win the world, the Nazis did?
Now which the f*ck party has all those attributes, I ask?? The Republicans do. If Republicans want to stop worrying about a new Nazi-type rise, then they should adjust these behaviors, and stop doing all the things they love to do.
Blue Owl
(50,505 posts)octoberlib
(14,971 posts)FSogol
(45,527 posts)I'm awaiting his: "I am not a witch" moment.
riqster
(13,986 posts)GOTV, Virginia!
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Pogo sticks, teapots, trailer hitches, now He's on a trampoline.
Of course he's nuts. It's great that he's the nominee. I'm hoping McDaniel can upset Cochran in MS because McDaniel is loonier than Brat. Not saying much since this IS MS, but hey, McDaniel vs. Childers is better than Cochran vs. Childers. Crossing my fingers for a McDaniel win in the run off so that he can proceed to have the expected meltdown of lunacy.
eppur_se_muova
(36,289 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)That is hilarious!!!!!
riqster
(13,986 posts)So anywhere you can think of, He's there. Trampoline, trailer hitch, wherever.
See what fine things theology can do?
This whole subthread is a DUzy
Omnipresent indeed, riqster! OMG, I'm laughing so hard right now I can hardly stop!!!!
riqster
(13,986 posts)Thank you, thank you all so much! Tip your servers!
Aerows
(39,961 posts)(You know I'm a punster)
Louisiana1976
(3,962 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)I'm in the bathroom right now.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)He was behind the couch the whole time!
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Lint Head
(15,064 posts)WRH2
(87 posts)next time I see a post;obama = nazi......
I'll reply "FDR was a democrat, how did that work out for Hitler?" dumb ass
KatyMan
(4,209 posts)Pure Rand right there.
rug
(82,333 posts)I don't care how many republicans are in his district
Aristus
(66,462 posts)Ayn Randism, pure and simple, with some faux-Christianity thrown in.
This will get him a lot of donations from the crazy-fuck crowd...
Johonny
(20,889 posts)normal people have no problem with things like capitalism, faith, reason etc... He sounds like a guy with "issues." The type that imagines his issues are your issues. Meanwhile in the real world the best speech in years about preserving American capitalism was given by socialist Bernie Sanders. Lol Brat.
underpants
(182,880 posts)Actually I voted against Cantor. Brat is a freak!
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)And he..... a) discussed the benefits of long term mutual funds with them
b) laughed at the silly poor people outside with their hands out
c) overturned their tables and sent them from the church
get the red out
(13,468 posts)There was no way he was healing anyone.
madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)spanone
(135,876 posts)Johonny
(20,889 posts)and nothing interesting to say about politics.
Rider3
(919 posts)Another idiot elected.
Bandit
(21,475 posts)And lets hope it stays that way..
Cognitive_Resonance
(1,546 posts)Rozlee
(2,529 posts)LordGlenconner
(1,348 posts)He's said a lot as a college professor. And written a lot, too. In days past the party would come in and "encourage" him to step aside but I think we all know the party has been fractured deeply.
Ilsa
(61,698 posts)His locals, I bet, but draw a lot of attention. Young people need to hear about his condemnation of Gays, etc.
Squinch
(51,013 posts)but is there any hope they'd vote for a Democrat if he keeps talking?
deathrind
(1,786 posts)Cantor has to be laughing at the thought of the Speaker and the rest of the Republican Party having to deal with this guy.
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)it is a reflection on them when this guy is obviously some kind of nut.
Uncle Joe
(58,420 posts)Of course the Temple also served as the government of the day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleansing_of_the_Temple
The narrative of the "Cleansing of the Temple" tells of Jesus and the money changers, and occurs in all four canonical gospels of the New Testament.
In this Gospel episode Jesus and his disciples travel to Jerusalem for Passover, where he expels the money changers from the Temple, accusing them of turning the Temple into a den of thieves through their commercial activities.[1][2] In the Gospel of John Jesus refers to the Temple as "my Fathers house", thus, in some views, making a claim to being the Son of God,[3] although it is common in the Abrahamic religions to refer to God as God the Father.
Some Christians think this is the only account of Jesus using physical force in any of the Gospels. Eastern Orthodoxy rejects this idea. The narrative occurs near the end of the Synoptic Gospels (at Mark 11:1519, 11:2733, Matthew 21:1217, 21:2327 and Luke 19:4548, 20:18) and near the start in the Gospel of John (at John 2:1316). Some scholars believe that these refer to two separate incidents, given that the Gospel of John also includes more than one Passover.[4]
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And making a whip of cords, he drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and oxen. And he poured out the coins of the money-changers and overturned their tables. And he told those who sold the pigeons, "Take these things away; do not make my Father's house a house of trade."[Jn 2:1316]
(snip)
In Mark 12:40 and Luke 20:47 Jesus accused the Temple authorities of thieving and this time names poor widows as their victims, going on to provide evidence of this in Mark 12:42 and Luke 21:2. Dove sellers were selling doves that were sacrificed by the poor who could not afford grander sacrifices and specifically by women. According to Mark 11:16, Jesus then put an embargo on people carrying any merchandise through the Templea sanction that would have disrupted all commerce.[4][7] This occurred in the outermost court of the gentiles. Gentile money could not be used at the Temple because of the graven images on it.
Thanks for the thread, DonViejo.
tclambert
(11,087 posts)beat him with police batons, and yelled, "Go back to Puerto Rico, Hay-zuse!"
Uncle Joe
(58,420 posts)Cha
(297,665 posts)Democratic man. I say that without knowing much about him. I'll correct myself if I'm wrong.
antiGOPin294
(53 posts)He needs to check himself into a mental institution, like the other fundie wackos. How did this guy get elected?
pansypoo53219
(20,996 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Push your brand of twisted christianity as a divisive motivation for the party's judgements and exceptionalism.
Not Hitler-like at all. No not a bit. *choke*
cynzke
(1,254 posts)and armed!
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)We've got a hell of a choice in front of us. Gonna have to work to get the truth out there....attack the LIES those fascists believe in.
Faux pas
(14,690 posts)lol didn't take long for his true insanity to show it's self.
Dopers_Greed
(2,640 posts)A libertarian fundie.
It's the worst of both worlds.
JHB
(37,162 posts)Won the primary by tea bagging Cantor over immigration. Hopefully, by highlighting his full package of craziness he can get buried in the actual election.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)I worried the Republicans had elected themselves another smugly irrational, ethics-free, wild-eyed loon.
Buuut, as long as we don't trust "the state," I guess it's fine if we impose monolithic fanatical religious views and unfettered, unaccountable pursuit of greed on the entire country. Once fundamentalist Christians are running all the megacorps without distraction, things should be FINE!
Where do they find these people?
On the upside, maybe he'll be like Christine what's-her-name and wind up on television explaining that he's not a witch.
Botany
(70,584 posts)In his interview with MSNBC's Chuck Todd Brat punted when Todd asked him both about the minimum wage and Syria. "Let me ask you a few other issue questions. Where are you on the minimum wage? Do you believe in it and would you raise it?" Todd asked.
"Minimum wage, no, I'm a free market guy," Brat responded. "Our labor markets right now are already distorted from too many regulations. I think Cato estimates there's $2 trillion of regulatory problems and then throw Obamacare on top of that, the work hours is 30 hours a week. You can only hire 50 people. There's just distortion after distortion after distortion and we wonder why our labor markets are broken."
Todd then pressed Brat on the question.
"Um, I don't have a well-crafted response on that one," Brat finally conceded. "All I know is if you take the long-run graph over 200 years of the wage rate, it cannot differ from your nation's productivity. Right? So you can't make up wage rates." (100% sarah palin
type gibberish)
more
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/david-brat-chuck-todd-minimum-wage-syria
louis-t
(23,297 posts)More likely, he'll end up doing what the fake sign language guy did, just spewing a bunch of bullshit.
Botany
(70,584 posts).... because it seems to me he is just "spitballing it."
"All I know is if you take the long-run graph over 200 years of the wage rate, it cannot differ from your nation's productivity. Right? So you can't make up wage rates."
louis-t
(23,297 posts)He supposedly has a "Master's degree" in business, but he would talk about "cost drivers" and it sounded like he was in a room where someone was talking about it but he didn't really understand what they were talking about. He would say the words he had heard, but then he would say "It's complicated, you wouldn't understand."
csziggy
(34,137 posts)I liked how she and Don Lemon compared Brat & Cantor's looks before discussing anything substantive.
gordianot
(15,245 posts)americannightmare
(322 posts)of rapidly depleting natural resources, human-induced climate change, and Wall Street financialization shenanigans - and it's taking everyone with it! And the new Hitler will look and sound just like Brat!
Zenlitened
(9,488 posts)saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)If his non-denominational message annoys brat, so much the better, imho. We shall see who wins the war of transformation from greed to enlightenment. (I am not a member of any organized religion.)
We need to get our story straight on capitalism and faith, Brat wrote. The two can go together and they had better go together, or we will not transform anything.
"Brat encouraged Christians to harshly condemn their neighbors sins."
MisterP
(23,730 posts)rogerashton
(3,920 posts)He is probably no goofier than the average Republican. He is pretty clearly well-read. As a professor of economics, he has a lot of practice at making the impossible sound plausible.
I would like to get a chance to ask him though, how he can base his ideas on those of notorious atheists such as Ayn Rand, Friedrich Nietzsche, and Max Stirner.
(Max was the German philosopher Nietzsche and Rand stole their stuff from.)
ananda
(28,876 posts)I wonder how dangerous idiots like this get teaching jobs.
JHB
(37,162 posts)At the helm of the bank at that time was John Allison, an Ayn Rand-loving CEO.
According to The Street, during his time as CEO of BB&T, Allison regularly used the BB&T Charitable Foundation, to provide grants to schools that agree to create courses on capitalism that feature the study of Atlas Shrugged.
Meanwhile, according to New York Magazine, Allison gave $500,000 to Randolph-Macon College to hire Dave Brat, so that he too could teach the Ayn Rand libertarian philosophy as an economics professor.
http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/eric-cantors-upset-dark-portent-future-billionaires-dark-money-elections
tclambert
(11,087 posts)Is he saying, "Make me your leader before some new Hitler comes along demanding you make him your leader!"
Blue Idaho
(5,057 posts)Something tells me we may have shot at Cantor's old district...
hue
(4,949 posts)Alex P Notkeaton
(309 posts).....you're nutty even for the Tea Party!
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,043 posts)Since he is against the "government monopoly" on violence, he is for unregulated militia violence.
He will try to weasel out of being pinned down on it by saying something like "I'm only asking questions". Don't let him get away with being a weasel.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)NuttyFluffers
(6,811 posts)look, look! i'm Brat doing some edjumacatin'
keep fillin' those airheads, you're stimulating the economy!
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)and the name Hitler is already circulating around him. Defeat Brat Wurst!
nyquil_man
(1,443 posts)Nothing. Jesus evidenced very little interest in it and, in fact, seemed to view it as a hindrance to total faith.
Yet here we have a man, ostensibly a follower of Christ, arguing that faith is not only essential to the acquisition of money, but that such acquisition is actually proof of faith.
Tearing down the wall between church and state compromises both in ways which should not be acceptable to any public servant.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,043 posts)Many churches sell their "services" by touting "ways to become wealthy", etc.
drm604
(16,230 posts)The base won't like that. The choice is between two ivory tower eggheads? Write in Cantor guys!
Beartracks
(12,821 posts)Mr. Brat, when the day comes that everyone in the world is good, you be sure to circle it on your calendar. Until then, be mindful of how religions, including Christianity, have failed over the centuries to "make all of the people good." It is precisely because of such failures that democracy -- especially that with a separation of church and state -- was originally conceived. Sure, I believe that people are inherently good, but too many persons are not. And there are new "persons" all the time -- even "corporate" ones -- that simply will not respond to proselytizing, moral enforcement, or any type or religious crusading. It's okay to believe that "bad" people can be changed to goodness (and I'm assuming that your interpretation of Christianity is the yardstick to be used), but until then, societies will always need objective, fair, and non-religious backstops.
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Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,473 posts)How about the Apostle Paul in Romans 3:10, "There is no one who is righteous, not even one".
I would also suggest, for a Judeo-Christian view of capitalism, he try Pope Francis' Evangelii Gaudium, which says things like
In this context, some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world. This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system. Meanwhile, the excluded are still waiting.
Beartracks
(12,821 posts)I really do need to read more of his thoughts on things, rather than just getting bits and pieces from the media.
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AndyTiedye
(23,500 posts)Either this invalidates the above claim, or the people in charge of that bank, i.e. Mr. Brat, were not "good".
quakerboy
(13,921 posts)The weak modern Christian Democratic man would submit to a Hitler type leader in his country.
The modern "Christian" Republican man would actively cheer for and full throatedly support a Hitler type leader in this country
Its kind of a problem.
Its a logic problem... He starts with some essentially correct premises and then runs into crazy crazy land with them.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Christian capitalism? More like fascism....
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Aren't there enough spoiled teabagger brats there already?
Sophiegirl
(2,338 posts)I thought we had reached that bottom with Cantor, but I suppose my expectations were not set low enough.
What shithole do these people climb out from? I shouldn't be surprised. But being a VA resident, I guess it is not really beyond belief. It is, however, beyond depressing that this is what we continue to churn out as representatives of the Commonwealth.
There really are sane people who live in VA. Honest to goodness. Alas...too few.
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)Ideology about loving other. But there is no need of a religious infrastructure for this...
catbyte
(34,452 posts)intellectual growth is frozen at 16 or 17. How can these "devout" baggers love Ayn Rand so much? Arrgh! His whining comment to Chuck Todd about "how I thought this was a celebratory interview and not about policy" really showed how this guy is so not ready for prime time. Typical bagger whiner with the intellectual and emotional age of 17. Awesome. Well done, GOP. Congrats!
Demsrule86
(68,683 posts)'Condemn' your neighbors? Really Brat, I seem to recall...love your neighbors...and who decides what 'good ' is...it would seem that from reading Mr. Brat one can understand how the inquisition, the Irish unwed mother's home tragic scandal...and all the wars about religion came about. I sincerely hope this demented and stupid man never become an elected Congressman...he is a horrible person.
dougg
(48 posts)Which church?
SunSeeker
(51,703 posts)quaker bill
(8,224 posts)It is fun stuff, this right wing social engineering. It never works. You see, they will tell you that it is not that their ideas are flawed, it is that real people are not good enough for them to work. If you re-make the people into something much better, then their ideas will start working.
On the other hand they thrive on the concept of "original sin" and "substitutional atonement", where we are all hopeless sinners that can only be saved in the "next life" by a professed but rarely acted on faith in a person who died on a cross some 2000 years ago.
Further they find the entire concept of "social engineering" offensive, but intend to find a way to change the very nature of humanity, even better, they are going to implement it by taking over government, an institution they find in principle to be utterly incapable of creating social change.
They pretend that Government can "defend the sanctity of marriage", when in fact it can only be done by those making the vows (regardless of gender mix).
One could go on and on.
Cognitive dissonance is an interesting concept, but it is not large enough to cover this.
Rex
(65,616 posts)MORON PLEASE! I was born at night...JUST NOT LAST NIGHT!
Cha
(297,665 posts)Tea Partier David Brat LIES: He Didnt Go to Princeton University
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"Apparently honesty is not among Dave Brats Christian values. Alright, technically he didnt lie he simply allowed everyone to believe something that was not true, that untruth being that he attended Princeton University.
When the Washington Post contacted the University seeking information on his time there, University spokesman Martin Mbugua said, We have no record under that name.
As it turns out, he did obtain his masters in divinity at Princeton, which is a well respected theological institution but not the prestigious Ivy League school that Princeton University is recognized as.
Mbugua says that occasionally people make an association between the institutions here in Princeton an incorrect association. Although the two institutions are located in the same town there is no connection between the two."
Americans Against the Teaparty
Brat wanted them to believe he went to Princeton University to make a cheap political point.. and in the process he sounds ashamed of the Princeton Divinity School that he did go to. Brat
Mahalo Don
Cha
(297,665 posts)Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)"Judge not lest ye be judged" in it.
My religion professor had a doctorate from Princeton Theological Seminary (YES, THE Princeton (Presbyterian) University), and I bet Dave Brat probably couldn't understand any of my professor's courses. My prof was an amazing linguist and knew the standard Greek, Latin and Hebrew, and other obscure languages like Amharic, Aramaic, and Linear B (as in "Babylonian wedge writing on clay tablets"
He once said "I had to read St. Thomas Aquinas. In the original Medieval Latin." Like it was no big deal.
Beartracks
(12,821 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)alfredo
(60,075 posts)another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Jesus on stilts, this is a genuine case of wrapped-in-the-flag-and-holding-the-bible fascism. We might need a wooden stake for this one.