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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 03:25 PM Jun 2014

David Brat warns ‘the weak modern Christian democratic man’ will submit to another Hitler

By Travis Gettys
Wednesday, June 11, 2014 14:38 EDT

David Brat, who won a surprise victory over House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, warned of another Hitler in a 13-page essay on theology and banking.

The economics professor, who won at Randolph-Macon College said “church folk” and his “liberal pals” should extend their inclusiveness to capitalists.

“We need to get our story straight on capitalism and faith,” Brat wrote. “The two can go together and they had better go together, or we will not transform anything.”

He said capitalism was “here to stay,” and he said the church should reflect that reality.

“Read Nietzsche. Nietzsche’s diagnosis of the weak modern Christian democratic man was spot on,” Brat wrote. “Jesus was a great man. Jesus said he was the Son of God. Jesus made things happen. Jesus had faith. Jesus actually made people better. Then came the Christians. What happened? What went wrong?”

“We appear to be a bit passive,” he continued. “Hitler came along, and he did not meet with unified resistance. I have the sinking feeling that it could all happen again, quite easily. The church should rise up higher than Nietzsche could see and prove him wrong.”

He suggested that spreading Christianity would improve the economy.

“Preach the gospel and change hearts and souls,” Brat wrote. “If we make all of the people good, markets will be good. Markets are made up of people.”

“If markets are bad, which they are, that means people are bad, which they are,” he continued. “Want good markets? Change the people.”

Brat encouraged Christians to harshly condemn their neighbors’ sins.

“We should love our neighbor so much that we actually believe in right and wrong, and do something about it,” he wrote. “If we all did the right thing and had the guts to spread the word, we would not need the government to backstop every action we take.”

Brat wondered whether Christians could force others to follow their ethical teachings on social issues, and he said both Democrats and Republicans hypocritically imposed their values on the political system.

“The government holds a monopoly on violence,” Brat wrote. “Any law that we vote for is ultimately backed by the full force of our government and military. Do we trust institutions of the government to ensure justice? Is that what history teaches us about the State? Or do we live in particularly lucky and fortunate times where the State can be trusted to do minimal justice?”

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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/06/11/david-brat-warns-the-weak-modern-christian-democratic-man-will-submit-to-another-hitler/

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David Brat warns ‘the weak modern Christian democratic man’ will submit to another Hitler (Original Post) DonViejo Jun 2014 OP
Brat is a greater threat than the 5 taliban who were released. Dawson Leery Jun 2014 #1
True. He's certifiably nuts. Louisiana1976 Jun 2014 #28
No He's Right!!! billhicks76 Jun 2014 #81
He certainly is, and I was surprised some were MerryBlooms Jun 2014 #39
They're both cut from the same cloth. SummerSnow Jun 2014 #76
Ain't that the truth! Plucketeer Jun 2014 #47
He might as well join them - they have a lot in common! Initech Jun 2014 #78
Greater than the entire population cynzke Jun 2014 #85
He's in the Party of Hitler attributes liberalmike27 Jun 2014 #93
This guy actually thinks Supply Side Jesus is real! Blue Owl Jun 2014 #2
Yeah and he'll be a Republican. What a whackjob! octoberlib Jun 2014 #3
LOL: The other Tea Fools will need to up their game! Brat is on the loose! FSogol Jun 2014 #4
Christ on a trampoline. This guy is nuts. riqster Jun 2014 #5
There goes poor Jesus again Aerows Jun 2014 #9
Well, it's not like we just make these things up ... eppur_se_muova Jun 2014 #19
OMG LOL! Aerows Jun 2014 #20
Hey, He's omnipresent, right? riqster Jun 2014 #21
DUzy! Aerows Jun 2014 #22
Christ on a candy bar, really? riqster Jun 2014 #23
Snickers :D Aerows Jun 2014 #24
.... Louisiana1976 Jun 2014 #30
DUzy back atcha! riqster Jun 2014 #33
Omnipresent?!??? Oh jezus h christ... BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2014 #40
I found Jesus Aerows Jun 2014 #48
Oh, thank DOG it was just the couch! I was afraid---> BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2014 #51
FDR was a Democrat. How did that work out for Hitler? Lint Head Jun 2014 #6
+1 lunasun Jun 2014 #84
great line,can I use it ? WRH2 Jun 2014 #105
"Any law that we vote for is ultimately backed by the full force of our government and military" KatyMan Jun 2014 #7
He's toast. rug Jun 2014 #8
Shit. He really came out swinging, didn't he? Aristus Jun 2014 #10
He sounds like a guy trying to convince himself about Randism mixing well with faith Johonny Jun 2014 #17
Holy crap I voted for that guy yesterday underpants Jun 2014 #11
remember that time Jesus saw the money changers in the Temple? NightWatcher Jun 2014 #12
And since he hated healthcare get the red out Jun 2014 #29
He's toast. He used the hitler reference. madinmaryland Jun 2014 #13
i can see the crazy in his eyes..... spanone Jun 2014 #14
perhaps he should run for Bishop since he has a lot to say about his view on the church Johonny Jun 2014 #15
Oh, great... Rider3 Jun 2014 #16
He has not been elected yet Bandit Jun 2014 #34
He sure sounds like a crackpot. Keep him talking, and provide plenty of microphones. nt Cognitive_Resonance Jun 2014 #18
Yeah, he's bound to get around to rape sooner or later. Rozlee Jun 2014 #42
More of this kookery will keep coming out LordGlenconner Jun 2014 #25
Promoting Xtian judgmentalism will work with Ilsa Jun 2014 #26
Who are the Democrats putting up against this nutcase? I know the district is very conservative Squinch Jun 2014 #27
Beneath the hurt of his loss deathrind Jun 2014 #31
If this man wins then that district gets what they deserve WI_DEM Jun 2014 #32
What would Jesus do? Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #35
When Jesus tried to drive out the money changers on Wall Street, the cops pepper-sprayed him, tclambert Jun 2014 #46
Yes and after that he headed to Chicago, but he didn't stay long. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #59
Yeah, he's a fucking religious nut. Beat 'im Jack Trammell.. you wonderful sane Cha Jun 2014 #36
Yet another fundie nut who is full of bat guano. antiGOPin294 Jun 2014 #37
i like jesus, BUT........ STONING IS AWESOME! pansypoo53219 Jun 2014 #38
MAKE people be good, encourage people to inform on their neighbors, BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2014 #41
Neighbors can be tricky.... cynzke Jun 2014 #86
really. BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2014 #87
Looney Toons Faux pas Jun 2014 #43
Dear lord... Dopers_Greed Jun 2014 #44
Ahh, the "Objectivist Jesus" school of guanopathy JHB Jun 2014 #45
Ohhh. *Populist* theocratic capitalist anarchy. For a minute, DirkGently Jun 2014 #49
The man is crazy Botany Jun 2014 #50
Being an economics professor, he'll talk over everyone's head. louis-t Jun 2014 #60
I would love to have an economist look @ that statement ....... Botany Jun 2014 #66
It sounds like what bush used to do. louis-t Jun 2014 #67
Even CNN's Dana Bash was surprised he had no position on minimum wage csziggy Jun 2014 #65
What better replacement for an Obstructionist than a Dominionist? gordianot Jun 2014 #52
Capitalism is in a death spiral... americannightmare Jun 2014 #53
"And," Brat continued, "with your support, one day I hope to BE that Hitler." Zenlitened Jun 2014 #54
Don, the Jesuit Pope Francis speaks for me. saidsimplesimon Jun 2014 #55
but what made Nietzsche really mad about Christianity was that it had fostered science MisterP Jun 2014 #56
I wouldn't want to misunderestimate him rogerashton Jun 2014 #57
Oh dear. ananda Jun 2014 #58
Wingnut welfare, college version... JHB Jun 2014 #68
So he wants them to submit to him instead? tclambert Jun 2014 #61
"I am not a witch..." Blue Idaho Jun 2014 #62
This is really a MANIFESTO of a RW nutter full of paranoia/fear & fantasy. hue Jun 2014 #63
Gee whiz, Davey... Alex P Notkeaton Jun 2014 #64
Brat endorses vigilante justice in that essay: Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2014 #69
Dunking stools, tar and feathers, locks and red letters next. L0oniX Jun 2014 #104
Crazy talk blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #70
Tinkerbell Economics. "why won't you just believe?!" NuttyFluffers Jun 2014 #71
Day one of his campaign lovemydog Jun 2014 #72
What does money mean to an all-powerful being? nyquil_man Jun 2014 #73
Except the churches ask for tithes and some preachers have gold Rolexes. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2014 #74
Quoting Nietzsche? drm604 Jun 2014 #75
If all were good "we would not need the govt to backstop" everything. Uh... Beartracks Jun 2014 #77
Has he not heard of a Christian concept called "Original Sin"? Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2014 #89
Thanks for the Pope Francis quote. Beartracks Jun 2014 #97
The Bank He Ran Needed Backstopping by the Government AndyTiedye Jun 2014 #100
He has a point quakerboy Jun 2014 #79
Brat is such a fucktard. blackspade Jun 2014 #80
Do we really need another brat in Congress? RoccoR5955 Jun 2014 #82
Just another level of crazy. Sophiegirl Jun 2014 #83
I'm all for a rational humanist Helen Borg Jun 2014 #88
OMFG. Not another Paul Ryan clone with an Ayn Rand fetish. That shows me that his catbyte Jun 2014 #90
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Demsrule86 Jun 2014 #91
"The church should rise up..." dougg Jun 2014 #92
It is going to be a long summer for Prof. Brat. SunSeeker Jun 2014 #94
Fascinating that he is one of those quaker bill Jun 2014 #95
As opposed to the extreme right leaning, weak willed fundamentalist man/woman? Rex Jun 2014 #96
This is David Brat.. Cha Jun 2014 #98
Graphic to Emphasize.. "Typical of the teaparty.." Cha Jun 2014 #99
Guess his bible doesn't have Manifestor_of_Light Jun 2014 #101
He should be talking about "weak-MINDED" Christians: ripe for sweet-talking devils. n/t Beartracks Jun 2014 #102
The batshit begins. L0oniX Jun 2014 #103
You left the R out of batshit. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2014 #107
Well, Brat, what is your solution? Could you round them up and "deport" them? alfredo Jun 2014 #106
He's nothing but a great flapping fascist! another_liberal Jun 2014 #108
 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
81. No He's Right!!!
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 11:51 PM
Jun 2014

They did when the Beast, Bush Sr Master Of Deception, won in '88 and then again when his his son, aspiring Anti-Christ, won in 2000. Very astute.

MerryBlooms

(11,771 posts)
39. He certainly is, and I was surprised some were
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 07:22 PM
Jun 2014

celebrating his win. If we thought Cantor was a fucking hot mess, we ain't seen nothing yet.

SummerSnow

(12,608 posts)
76. They're both cut from the same cloth.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 09:12 PM
Jun 2014

Glad Cantor is gone, not because I thought Brat would be better.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
47. Ain't that the truth!
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 01:07 PM
Jun 2014

Another friggin' christian whack job - bent on gettin' me "religion". None of these nut jobs ever KNEW Jesus - or "know" Jesus, for that matter. What they proclaim to know is from a fairy tale book written 300 years after Jesus was nailed up. And we're gonna make things better by living a fairy tale?
While I'm an atheist, I'd sure love to see a rapture take place. Those of us who LIVE as this Jesus directed and those of us who preach his directives - supposedly in his name - would NOT be ascending together.

liberalmike27

(2,479 posts)
93. He's in the Party of Hitler attributes
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 02:10 PM
Jun 2014

I'm not upset about citing similarities to Nazis. I just get upset at direct comparisons, without saying what exactly those you are comparing with Hitler do, that resembles Hitler, or Nazis.

Republicans like to "say" Obama, or a Democrat will become Hitler. But they never say exactly how.

When I compare them, I say Republicans love white people, pretty much exclusively. They hate minorities, non whites, they might not make homosexuals wear pink triangles, like Nazis, but they certainly hate them. They hate Socialists, the Nazis, and they hate Communists. They loved wars, they wanted to win the world, the Nazis did?

Now which the f*ck party has all those attributes, I ask?? The Republicans do. If Republicans want to stop worrying about a new Nazi-type rise, then they should adjust these behaviors, and stop doing all the things they love to do.

FSogol

(45,527 posts)
4. LOL: The other Tea Fools will need to up their game! Brat is on the loose!
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 03:39 PM
Jun 2014


I'm awaiting his: "I am not a witch" moment.
 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
9. There goes poor Jesus again
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 03:56 PM
Jun 2014

Pogo sticks, teapots, trailer hitches, now He's on a trampoline.

Of course he's nuts. It's great that he's the nominee. I'm hoping McDaniel can upset Cochran in MS because McDaniel is loonier than Brat. Not saying much since this IS MS, but hey, McDaniel vs. Childers is better than Cochran vs. Childers. Crossing my fingers for a McDaniel win in the run off so that he can proceed to have the expected meltdown of lunacy.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
21. Hey, He's omnipresent, right?
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 04:25 PM
Jun 2014

So anywhere you can think of, He's there. Trampoline, trailer hitch, wherever.

See what fine things theology can do?

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
22. DUzy!
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 04:27 PM
Jun 2014

This whole subthread is a DUzy



Omnipresent indeed, riqster! OMG, I'm laughing so hard right now I can hardly stop!!!!

WRH2

(87 posts)
105. great line,can I use it ?
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 02:27 PM
Jun 2014

next time I see a post;obama = nazi......
I'll reply "FDR was a democrat, how did that work out for Hitler?" dumb ass

KatyMan

(4,209 posts)
7. "Any law that we vote for is ultimately backed by the full force of our government and military"
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 03:50 PM
Jun 2014

Pure Rand right there.

Aristus

(66,462 posts)
10. Shit. He really came out swinging, didn't he?
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 03:59 PM
Jun 2014

Ayn Randism, pure and simple, with some faux-Christianity thrown in.

This will get him a lot of donations from the crazy-fuck crowd...

Johonny

(20,889 posts)
17. He sounds like a guy trying to convince himself about Randism mixing well with faith
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 04:06 PM
Jun 2014

normal people have no problem with things like capitalism, faith, reason etc... He sounds like a guy with "issues." The type that imagines his issues are your issues. Meanwhile in the real world the best speech in years about preserving American capitalism was given by socialist Bernie Sanders. Lol Brat.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
12. remember that time Jesus saw the money changers in the Temple?
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 04:00 PM
Jun 2014

And he..... a) discussed the benefits of long term mutual funds with them
b) laughed at the silly poor people outside with their hands out
c) overturned their tables and sent them from the church

Johonny

(20,889 posts)
15. perhaps he should run for Bishop since he has a lot to say about his view on the church
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 04:03 PM
Jun 2014

and nothing interesting to say about politics.

 

LordGlenconner

(1,348 posts)
25. More of this kookery will keep coming out
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 04:42 PM
Jun 2014

He's said a lot as a college professor. And written a lot, too. In days past the party would come in and "encourage" him to step aside but I think we all know the party has been fractured deeply.

Ilsa

(61,698 posts)
26. Promoting Xtian judgmentalism will work with
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 04:48 PM
Jun 2014

His locals, I bet, but draw a lot of attention. Young people need to hear about his condemnation of Gays, etc.

Squinch

(51,013 posts)
27. Who are the Democrats putting up against this nutcase? I know the district is very conservative
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 04:51 PM
Jun 2014

but is there any hope they'd vote for a Democrat if he keeps talking?

deathrind

(1,786 posts)
31. Beneath the hurt of his loss
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 05:06 PM
Jun 2014

Cantor has to be laughing at the thought of the Speaker and the rest of the Republican Party having to deal with this guy.

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
32. If this man wins then that district gets what they deserve
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 05:14 PM
Jun 2014

it is a reflection on them when this guy is obviously some kind of nut.

Uncle Joe

(58,420 posts)
35. What would Jesus do?
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 06:18 PM
Jun 2014

Of course the Temple also served as the government of the day.





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleansing_of_the_Temple

The narrative of the "Cleansing of the Temple" tells of Jesus and the money changers, and occurs in all four canonical gospels of the New Testament.

In this Gospel episode Jesus and his disciples travel to Jerusalem for Passover, where he expels the money changers from the Temple, accusing them of turning the Temple into a den of thieves through their commercial activities.[1][2] In the Gospel of John Jesus refers to the Temple as "my Father’s house", thus, in some views, making a claim to being the Son of God,[3] although it is common in the Abrahamic religions to refer to God as God the Father.

Some Christians think this is the only account of Jesus using physical force in any of the Gospels. Eastern Orthodoxy rejects this idea. The narrative occurs near the end of the Synoptic Gospels (at Mark 11:15–19, 11:27–33, Matthew 21:12–17, 21:23–27 and Luke 19:45–48, 20:1–8) and near the start in the Gospel of John (at John 2:13–16). Some scholars believe that these refer to two separate incidents, given that the Gospel of John also includes more than one Passover.[4]

(snip)

And making a whip of cords, he drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and oxen. And he poured out the coins of the money-changers and overturned their tables. And he told those who sold the pigeons, "Take these things away; do not make my Father's house a house of trade."[Jn 2:13–16]

(snip)

In Mark 12:40 and Luke 20:47 Jesus accused the Temple authorities of thieving and this time names poor widows as their victims, going on to provide evidence of this in Mark 12:42 and Luke 21:2. Dove sellers were selling doves that were sacrificed by the poor who could not afford grander sacrifices and specifically by women. According to Mark 11:16, Jesus then put an embargo on people carrying any merchandise through the Temple—a sanction that would have disrupted all commerce.[4][7] This occurred in the outermost court of the gentiles. Gentile money could not be used at the Temple because of the graven images on it.



Thanks for the thread, DonViejo.

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
46. When Jesus tried to drive out the money changers on Wall Street, the cops pepper-sprayed him,
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 12:28 PM
Jun 2014

beat him with police batons, and yelled, "Go back to Puerto Rico, Hay-zuse!"

Cha

(297,665 posts)
36. Yeah, he's a fucking religious nut. Beat 'im Jack Trammell.. you wonderful sane
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 06:19 PM
Jun 2014

Democratic man. I say that without knowing much about him. I'll correct myself if I'm wrong.

 

antiGOPin294

(53 posts)
37. Yet another fundie nut who is full of bat guano.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 06:35 PM
Jun 2014

He needs to check himself into a mental institution, like the other fundie wackos. How did this guy get elected?

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
41. MAKE people be good, encourage people to inform on their neighbors,
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 11:58 AM
Jun 2014

Push your brand of twisted christianity as a divisive motivation for the party's judgements and exceptionalism.

Not Hitler-like at all. No not a bit. *choke*

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
87. really.
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 01:51 AM
Jun 2014

We've got a hell of a choice in front of us. Gonna have to work to get the truth out there....attack the LIES those fascists believe in.

JHB

(37,162 posts)
45. Ahh, the "Objectivist Jesus" school of guanopathy
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 12:26 PM
Jun 2014

Won the primary by tea bagging Cantor over immigration. Hopefully, by highlighting his full package of craziness he can get buried in the actual election.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
49. Ohhh. *Populist* theocratic capitalist anarchy. For a minute,
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 01:23 PM
Jun 2014

I worried the Republicans had elected themselves another smugly irrational, ethics-free, wild-eyed loon.

Buuut, as long as we don't trust "the state," I guess it's fine if we impose monolithic fanatical religious views and unfettered, unaccountable pursuit of greed on the entire country. Once fundamentalist Christians are running all the megacorps without distraction, things should be FINE!

Where do they find these people?



On the upside, maybe he'll be like Christine what's-her-name and wind up on television explaining that he's not a witch.

Botany

(70,584 posts)
50. The man is crazy
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 01:36 PM
Jun 2014

In his interview with MSNBC's Chuck Todd Brat punted when Todd asked him both about the minimum wage and Syria. "Let me ask you a few other issue questions. Where are you on the minimum wage? Do you believe in it and would you raise it?" Todd asked.

"Minimum wage, no, I'm a free market guy," Brat responded. "Our labor markets right now are already distorted from too many regulations. I think Cato estimates there's $2 trillion of regulatory problems and then throw Obamacare on top of that, the work hours is 30 hours a week. You can only hire 50 people. There's just distortion after distortion after distortion and we wonder why our labor markets are broken."

Todd then pressed Brat on the question.

"Um, I don't have a well-crafted response on that one," Brat finally conceded. "All I know is if you take the long-run graph over 200 years of the wage rate, it cannot differ from your nation's productivity. Right? So you can't make up wage rates." (100% sarah palin
type gibberish)

more
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/david-brat-chuck-todd-minimum-wage-syria

louis-t

(23,297 posts)
60. Being an economics professor, he'll talk over everyone's head.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 02:47 PM
Jun 2014

More likely, he'll end up doing what the fake sign language guy did, just spewing a bunch of bullshit.

Botany

(70,584 posts)
66. I would love to have an economist look @ that statement .......
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 03:43 PM
Jun 2014

.... because it seems to me he is just "spitballing it."

"All I know is if you take the long-run graph over 200 years of the wage rate, it cannot differ from your nation's productivity. Right? So you can't make up wage rates."

louis-t

(23,297 posts)
67. It sounds like what bush used to do.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 04:27 PM
Jun 2014

He supposedly has a "Master's degree" in business, but he would talk about "cost drivers" and it sounded like he was in a room where someone was talking about it but he didn't really understand what they were talking about. He would say the words he had heard, but then he would say "It's complicated, you wouldn't understand."

csziggy

(34,137 posts)
65. Even CNN's Dana Bash was surprised he had no position on minimum wage
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 03:41 PM
Jun 2014
(starting at about 1:15)

I liked how she and Don Lemon compared Brat & Cantor's looks before discussing anything substantive.

americannightmare

(322 posts)
53. Capitalism is in a death spiral...
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 01:50 PM
Jun 2014

of rapidly depleting natural resources, human-induced climate change, and Wall Street financialization shenanigans - and it's taking everyone with it! And the new Hitler will look and sound just like Brat!

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
55. Don, the Jesuit Pope Francis speaks for me.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 01:57 PM
Jun 2014

If his non-denominational message annoys brat, so much the better, imho. We shall see who wins the war of transformation from greed to enlightenment. (I am not a member of any organized religion.)

“We need to get our story straight on capitalism and faith,” Brat wrote. “The two can go together and they had better go together, or we will not transform anything.

"Brat encouraged Christians to harshly condemn their neighbors’ sins."


rogerashton

(3,920 posts)
57. I wouldn't want to misunderestimate him
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 02:19 PM
Jun 2014

He is probably no goofier than the average Republican. He is pretty clearly well-read. As a professor of economics, he has a lot of practice at making the impossible sound plausible.

I would like to get a chance to ask him though, how he can base his ideas on those of notorious atheists such as Ayn Rand, Friedrich Nietzsche, and Max Stirner.

(Max was the German philosopher Nietzsche and Rand stole their stuff from.)

JHB

(37,162 posts)
68. Wingnut welfare, college version...
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 05:21 PM
Jun 2014
Back in 2008 during America’s financial collapse, BB&T Bank was one of the many big banks that crashed. In order to stay afloat, that bank took a $3.1 billion bailout from the Bush administration.

At the helm of the bank at that time was John Allison, an Ayn Rand-loving CEO.

According to The Street, during his time as CEO of BB&T, Allison regularly used the BB&T Charitable Foundation, “to provide grants to schools that agree to create courses on capitalism that feature the study of ‘Atlas Shrugged.’”

Meanwhile, according to New York Magazine, Allison gave $500,000 to Randolph-Macon College to hire Dave Brat, so that he too could teach the Ayn Rand libertarian philosophy as an economics professor.

http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/eric-cantors-upset-dark-portent-future-billionaires-dark-money-elections

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
61. So he wants them to submit to him instead?
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 02:52 PM
Jun 2014

Is he saying, "Make me your leader before some new Hitler comes along demanding you make him your leader!"

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,043 posts)
69. Brat endorses vigilante justice in that essay:
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 05:57 PM
Jun 2014
"The government holds a monopoly on violence," Brat wrote. "Any law that we vote for is ultimately backed by the full force of our government and military. Do we trust institutions of the government to ensure justice?"


Since he is against the "government monopoly" on violence, he is for unregulated militia violence.

He will try to weasel out of being pinned down on it by saying something like "I'm only asking questions". Don't let him get away with being a weasel.

NuttyFluffers

(6,811 posts)
71. Tinkerbell Economics. "why won't you just believe?!"
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 06:56 PM
Jun 2014
“If markets are bad, which they are, that means people are bad, which they are,” he continued. “Want good markets? Change the people.”



look, look! i'm Brat doing some edjumacatin'
keep fillin' those airheads, you're stimulating the economy!

nyquil_man

(1,443 posts)
73. What does money mean to an all-powerful being?
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 07:31 PM
Jun 2014

Nothing. Jesus evidenced very little interest in it and, in fact, seemed to view it as a hindrance to total faith.

Yet here we have a man, ostensibly a follower of Christ, arguing that faith is not only essential to the acquisition of money, but that such acquisition is actually proof of faith.

Tearing down the wall between church and state compromises both in ways which should not be acceptable to any public servant.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,043 posts)
74. Except the churches ask for tithes and some preachers have gold Rolexes.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 07:53 PM
Jun 2014

Many churches sell their "services" by touting "ways to become wealthy", etc.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
75. Quoting Nietzsche?
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 09:07 PM
Jun 2014

The base won't like that. The choice is between two ivory tower eggheads? Write in Cantor guys!

Beartracks

(12,821 posts)
77. If all were good "we would not need the govt to backstop" everything. Uh...
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 09:38 PM
Jun 2014

Mr. Brat, when the day comes that everyone in the world is good, you be sure to circle it on your calendar. Until then, be mindful of how religions, including Christianity, have failed over the centuries to "make all of the people good." It is precisely because of such failures that democracy -- especially that with a separation of church and state -- was originally conceived. Sure, I believe that people are inherently good, but too many persons are not. And there are new "persons" all the time -- even "corporate" ones -- that simply will not respond to proselytizing, moral enforcement, or any type or religious crusading. It's okay to believe that "bad" people can be changed to goodness (and I'm assuming that your interpretation of Christianity is the yardstick to be used), but until then, societies will always need objective, fair, and non-religious backstops.

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Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
89. Has he not heard of a Christian concept called "Original Sin"?
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 05:23 AM
Jun 2014

How about the Apostle Paul in Romans 3:10, "There is no one who is righteous, not even one".

I would also suggest, for a Judeo-Christian view of capitalism, he try Pope Francis' Evangelii Gaudium, which says things like

In this context, some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world. This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system. Meanwhile, the excluded are still waiting.

Beartracks

(12,821 posts)
97. Thanks for the Pope Francis quote.
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 08:58 PM
Jun 2014

I really do need to read more of his thoughts on things, rather than just getting bits and pieces from the media.

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AndyTiedye

(23,500 posts)
100. The Bank He Ran Needed Backstopping by the Government
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 03:52 PM
Jun 2014

Either this invalidates the above claim, or the people in charge of that bank, i.e. Mr. Brat, were not "good".

quakerboy

(13,921 posts)
79. He has a point
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 09:55 PM
Jun 2014

The weak modern Christian Democratic man would submit to a Hitler type leader in his country.

The modern "Christian" Republican man would actively cheer for and full throatedly support a Hitler type leader in this country

Its kind of a problem.

Its a logic problem... He starts with some essentially correct premises and then runs into crazy crazy land with them.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
82. Do we really need another brat in Congress?
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 12:12 AM
Jun 2014

Aren't there enough spoiled teabagger brats there already?

Sophiegirl

(2,338 posts)
83. Just another level of crazy.
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 12:44 AM
Jun 2014

I thought we had reached that bottom with Cantor, but I suppose my expectations were not set low enough.



What shithole do these people climb out from? I shouldn't be surprised. But being a VA resident, I guess it is not really beyond belief. It is, however, beyond depressing that this is what we continue to churn out as representatives of the Commonwealth.

There really are sane people who live in VA. Honest to goodness. Alas...too few.

Helen Borg

(3,963 posts)
88. I'm all for a rational humanist
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 05:19 AM
Jun 2014

Ideology about loving other. But there is no need of a religious infrastructure for this...

catbyte

(34,452 posts)
90. OMFG. Not another Paul Ryan clone with an Ayn Rand fetish. That shows me that his
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 09:33 AM
Jun 2014

intellectual growth is frozen at 16 or 17. How can these "devout" baggers love Ayn Rand so much? Arrgh! His whining comment to Chuck Todd about "how I thought this was a celebratory interview and not about policy" really showed how this guy is so not ready for prime time. Typical bagger whiner with the intellectual and emotional age of 17. Awesome. Well done, GOP. Congrats!

Demsrule86

(68,683 posts)
91. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 09:39 AM
Jun 2014

'Condemn' your neighbors? Really Brat, I seem to recall...love your neighbors...and who decides what 'good ' is...it would seem that from reading Mr. Brat one can understand how the inquisition, the Irish unwed mother's home tragic scandal...and all the wars about religion came about. I sincerely hope this demented and stupid man never become an elected Congressman...he is a horrible person.

quaker bill

(8,224 posts)
95. Fascinating that he is one of those
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 06:50 PM
Jun 2014

It is fun stuff, this right wing social engineering. It never works. You see, they will tell you that it is not that their ideas are flawed, it is that real people are not good enough for them to work. If you re-make the people into something much better, then their ideas will start working.

On the other hand they thrive on the concept of "original sin" and "substitutional atonement", where we are all hopeless sinners that can only be saved in the "next life" by a professed but rarely acted on faith in a person who died on a cross some 2000 years ago.

Further they find the entire concept of "social engineering" offensive, but intend to find a way to change the very nature of humanity, even better, they are going to implement it by taking over government, an institution they find in principle to be utterly incapable of creating social change.

They pretend that Government can "defend the sanctity of marriage", when in fact it can only be done by those making the vows (regardless of gender mix).

One could go on and on.

Cognitive dissonance is an interesting concept, but it is not large enough to cover this.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
96. As opposed to the extreme right leaning, weak willed fundamentalist man/woman?
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 06:51 PM
Jun 2014

MORON PLEASE! I was born at night...JUST NOT LAST NIGHT!

Cha

(297,665 posts)
98. This is David Brat..
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 09:22 PM
Jun 2014


Tea Partier David Brat LIES: He Didn’t Go to Princeton University

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"Apparently honesty is not among Dave Brat’s “Christian” values. Alright, technically he didn’t “lie” — he simply allowed everyone to believe something that was not true, that untruth being that he attended Princeton University.

When the Washington Post contacted the University seeking information on his time there, University spokesman Martin Mbugua said, “We have no record under that name.”

As it turns out, he did obtain his masters in divinity at Princeton, which is a well respected theological institution but not the prestigious Ivy League school that Princeton University is recognized as.

Mbugua says that occasionally people “make an association between the institutions here in Princeton — an incorrect association.” Although the two institutions are located in the same town there is no connection between the two."

Americans Against the Teaparty

Brat wanted them to believe he went to Princeton University to make a cheap political point.. and in the process he sounds ashamed of the Princeton Divinity School that he did go to. Brat

Mahalo Don

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
101. Guess his bible doesn't have
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 04:20 PM
Jun 2014

"Judge not lest ye be judged" in it.

My religion professor had a doctorate from Princeton Theological Seminary (YES, THE Princeton (Presbyterian) University), and I bet Dave Brat probably couldn't understand any of my professor's courses. My prof was an amazing linguist and knew the standard Greek, Latin and Hebrew, and other obscure languages like Amharic, Aramaic, and Linear B (as in "Babylonian wedge writing on clay tablets&quot


He once said "I had to read St. Thomas Aquinas. In the original Medieval Latin." Like it was no big deal.


 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
108. He's nothing but a great flapping fascist!
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 10:55 PM
Jun 2014

Jesus on stilts, this is a genuine case of wrapped-in-the-flag-and-holding-the-bible fascism. We might need a wooden stake for this one.

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