Men's rights activists raise $25K to protect themselves from feminists

[geek tragedy]

http://www.salon.com/2014/06/04/mens_rights_group_raises_25000_to_protect_them_from_feminists/

The money will be used to hire seven off-duty police officers to provide security for the event. The hotel hosting the conference in Detroit, Michigan sent a letter to organizers requesting the additional security and expressed concerns about the safety of its employees and guests related to threats of violence. Police were contacted about the conference, but a spokesperson said they had not received “any word about threats.”

The letter does not say from whom the threats came, but the men’s rights activists behind the conference are pretty sure they are from feminists. Because they like to blame feminists for pretty much everything. As Abby Ohlheiser at the Wire points out, A Voice For Men’s homepage currently links to a petition to ”class feminism as a terrorist group.”

Of course it's feminists!!!

Speakers at this fabulous confab include Warren Farrell, who infamously called date rape "exciting" and said it was the same as a man paying for a date without getting laid. Also speaking are advocates who describe battered women as "emotional terrorists", rightwing homophobes, etc.

The Southern Povery Law Center has described this crowd as " an underworld of misogynists, woman-haters whose fury goes well beyond criticism of the family court system, domestic violence laws, and false rape accusations."

[Xipe Totec]

1. Cootie vaccines are getting expensive. nt

[muntrv]

2. These guys are meeting?

[Hassin Bin Sober]

7. Wait! WTF is that? LOL

[whathehell]

19. What IS that?...Who the hell are THEY?

Inquiring minds want to know!

[HughBeaumont]

22. Married With Children episode.

"No Ma'am" = National Organization of Men Against Amazonian Masterhood

It's a group Al starts.

[whathehell]

26. Well that's a relief -- I thought it was real! n/t

[randys1]

27. Now I am torn, I am a huge feminist, but I love Al Bundy LOL

[LeftinOH]

3. 25K will buy lots of inflatable girlfriends. n/t

[Brigid]

6. And we have our thread winner.

[randys1]

28. Agreed, very clever response

[Warpy]

58. Since they despise anything female, I suggest this alternative.

http://www.muttonbone.com/

[Tuesday Afternoon]

4. how embarassing for them.

[theHandpuppet]

9. I don't think it's possible to embarrass them

Otherwise they'd have imploded long ago.

[Paladin]

20. +1.

[valerief]

5. And I hear the gift shop will be selling assault rifles, too. nt

[sufrommich]

8. Grifters gotta grift. nt

[Shrike47]

10. I think they're being prudent. I, myself, was planning on sneaking in and mocking their weenies.

[theHandpuppet]

12. Or you could just wear one and really scare them

[Iggo]

11. Aw, poor babies!

[etherealtruth]

13. (Police) spokesperson said they had not received “any word about threats.”

I guess when there is no drama you have to make it up (if you are "crazy&quot

[kimbutgar]

14. Do you get the idea that these men are the ones women want to have nothing to do with the sexually?

And they probably frequent ? They are delustional to think they will be harassed by women, it's their fantasy!

[seabeyond]

15. a lot of the comments on this thread are misandrist and what men on du have been talking about.

if it was a womans group getting threats. hiring security. we would not be making these comments.

nor would we be laughing.

[geek tragedy]

16. NOT ALL MEN AT DU!!!!! nt

[seabeyond]

18. i would say you are derailing, but in this alternate universe....

that would not be the case.

[redqueen]

17. It's interesting that these groups manage to book hotels for their hate fests

but if radical feminists try to hold a conference they are shut down.

[theHandpuppet]

21. I really feel sorry for the women who work at that hotel

What fun that will be for them.

[Whisp]

23. you darned rights it would be fun. I'd love to be there.

[opiate69]

24. awww....

Those poor, poor, put-upon transphobic bigots.

He added: “Who knows the real reason the centre decided to cancel. Although they may have said it happened on the grounds of hassle, perhaps they also looked into what RadFem were saying. Last year’s speakers included people who had outed trans-women on the internet.”

[redqueen]

25. I was thinking of Radfems Respond. Did anyone there out anyone?

Or are you just kneejerking as per usual?

Or do you think that all radical feminist conferences should be banned globally because of that one year when those speakers were at a conference in Ireland?

I notice that you're frothing at the mouth about stuff from 2012 but you conspicuously have jack shit to say about the MRAs in the OP. (Typical and telling.)

[opiate69]

31. Yeah..

Considering they're pretty much joined at the hip... unless, are the Quakers MRAs now too???
http://www.salon.com/2013/07/11/the_hate_group_masquerading_as_inclusive_feminists_partner/

[redqueen]

34. Why are you saying Quakers are MRAs?

That sad little petition full of lies doesn't prove that anyone at Radfems Respond deserved to be tarred with any guilt by association bullshit.

And still you have nothing to say about the men who are rape apologists and domestic violence apologists and who blame all of men's problems on feminists.

[opiate69]

35. Oh, so they're not MRAs, but they are liars?

And to be clear, since you don't seem to get it, I asked if they were MRAs now, because your posting history has made it clear that you believe that anybody who disagrees with your cadre of radfem goobers must, de facto, be an MRA. Simple, no?
And, is that a bit of froth I'm seeing there?

[redqueen]

38. I don't know who started that petition and I don't care.

The petition does have white a few outright lies in it. Not that you seem to care. Anything goes in the effort to push the propaganda that says radical feminists are deserving of the dismissal and scorn that, in reality, MRAs have actually earned.

The point is, the places where these women try to meet are harassed.

Somehow the places where MRAs meet - MRAs, the actual hate group in this discussion - there is apparently no issue with them being allowed to meet.

[opiate69]

41. And where has this specific group been labelled as a hate group?

It should be mentioned that the SPLC did not label MRAs as members of a hate movement; nor did our article claim that the grievances they air on their websites – false rape accusations, ruinous divorce settlements and the like – are all without merit. But we did call out specific examples of misogyny and the threat, overt or implicit, of violence.

As for the rest, like I said before... I'm not losing any sleep over a bunch of transphobic bigoted shitheels being told they're not welcome somewhere. Maybe, if you want this MRA group to be denied use of the hotel for their meeting, writing your own damned petition, or even just contacting the hotel, might be more fruitful than coming here to DU and wistfully pretending your cause is somehow being unfairly treated.

[redqueen]

43. Are you fucking kidding me?

Yeah, I'm just gonna stop wasting my time now.

I'll be generous and help you out. See if you can find the conference organizers on this handy list:
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2012/spring/misogyny-the-sites

Good luck!

[opiate69]

46. Well, I tried to help you out... even bolded, italicized and underlined the relevant text..

which, by the way, was the SPLC's own words.. maybe if I get rid of all the distracting other words?

It should be mentioned that the SPLC did not label MRAs as members of a hate movement;

[redqueen]

50. ...

Although some of the sites make an attempt at civility and try to back their arguments with facts, they are almost all thick with misogynistic attacks that can be astounding for the guttural hatred they express. What follows are brief descriptions of a dozen of these sites. Another resource is the Man Boobz website (manboobz.com), a humorous pro-feminist blog (its tagline is “Misogyny: I Mock It”) that keeps a close eye on these and many other woman-hating sites.

From the organizer's own mouth. I guess you don't consider this hate speech.

http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/10/18/paul-elam-of-a-voice-for-men-in-his-own-words/

[ismnotwasm]

45. Just these guys that happen to be MRA's

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2012/spring/misogyny-the-sites

I think it's worth differentiating between men's supports groups that's aren't hate groups-- there are many of them, and what we mean when we say MRA.

This guys are awesome

http://www.mencanstoprape.org

http://www.jacksonkatz.com/mvp.html

[opiate69]

48. Uh-huh... still, not seeing where the SPLC distinctly labelled them as hate groups... in fact,

the SPLC themselves says otherwise.

[ismnotwasm]

49. I said

These groups that happen to be MRA's. the hate grouping is under misogyny, and includes major MRA groups.

But you are absolutely correct. Do you know any good, positive MRA groups? Feel free to name them and I'll look them up.

Probably should add this

Men’s Rights Movement Spreads False Claims about Women
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2012/spring/myths-of-the-manosphere-lying-about-women

[redqueen]

52. So actual hate speech you give a pass.

But based on second hand, guilt by association bullshit and outright lies, you'll call people bigots and say they shouldn't be allowed to speak.

Yep. Still all very revealing.

[opiate69]

55. Yeah... for the life of me, I never, ever, expected the Quakers to be called liars....

I mean, the fucking Quakers??? They're like the Backstreet Boys of the universe for chrissakes.

[redqueen]

57. Still nothing to say about the organizers of this event?

"In the name of equality and fairness, I am proclaiming October to be Bash a Violent Bitch Month.

I’d like to make it the objective for the remainder of this month, and all the Octobers that follow, for men who are being attacked and physically abused by women – to beat the living shit out of them. I don’t mean subdue them, or deliver an open handed pop on the face to get them to settle down. I mean literally to grab them by the hair and smack their face against the wall till the smugness of beating on someone because you know they won’t fight back drains from their nose with a few million red corpuscles.

And then make them clean up the mess. …

Now, am I serious about this?

No. Not because it’s wrong. It’s not wrong. Every one should have the right to defend themselves. …

But it isn’t worth the time behind bars or the abuse of anger management training that men must endure if they are uppity enough to defend themselves from female attackers."




"I have ideas about women who spend evenings in bars hustling men for drinks, playing on their sexual desires … And the women who drink and make out, doing everything short of sex with men all evening, and then go to his apartment at 2:00 a.m.. Sometimes both of these women end up being the “victims” of rape.

But are these women asking to get raped?

In the most severe and emphatic terms possible the answer is NO, THEY ARE NOT ASKING TO GET RAPED.

They are freaking begging for it.

Damn near demanding it.

And all the outraged PC demands to get huffy and point out how nothing justifies or excuses rape won’t change the fact that there are a lot of women who get pummeled and pumped because they are stupid (and often arrogant) enough to walk though life with the equivalent of a I’M A STUPID, CONNIVING BITCH – PLEASE RAPE ME neon sign glowing above their empty little narcissistic heads."



"Should I be called to sit on a jury for a rape trial, I vow publicly to vote not guilty, even in the face of overwhelming evidence that the charges are true."



"No, I’m not making this up. Here are the strange, threatening remarks he addressed to an opponent of his Register-Her website (on which, more below).

Do you think I am going to stop?

It’s a serious question, because the answer to that question … should inform you of what will work for you or not work for you in dealing with me.

And the answer is, of course, no, I am not going to stop. You see, I find you, as a feminist, to be a loathsome, vile piece of human garbage. I find you so pernicious and repugnant that the idea of fucking your shit up gives me an erection."



"Progress for men will not be gained by debate, reason or typical channels of grievance available to segments of the population that the world actually gives a damn about. The progress we need will only be realized by inflicting enough pain on the agents of hate, in public view, that it literally shocks society out of its current coma."

[opiate69]

59. Unsourced, context-free quotes. Obviously, they're fucking repugnant.

But then, a person could easily go mine certain websites and find all manner of equally repugnant quotes by some of your dear old friends, couldn't they? Or perhaps at some sites you used to link to in your signature line? Wouldn't that be just DUckie?

[redqueen]

60. I linked you to a collection of them, with links to sources.

How telling that you didn't bother to look. I read your random nonsense links. Thats how I know they were either random or mostly lies.

How telling that you think context could change anything about the quotes from the organizer of this conference.

How telling that you STILL have NOTHING to say about the FACT that the organizer of this conference said that shit, yet is allowed to hold his little Men's Rape Apologists conference at the hotel.

Nope, you're still busy catapulting that 'all Radfems are bigots!' bullshit.

You are completely transparent.

[opiate69]

61. Nope. There's not a single link in that post.

And, since you seem to be unable to understand, and since you have not bothered to link back to the source, we have no idea if those posts (which I reiterate, are fucking repugnant) were met with cheers or the backlash they deserve. That's what I mean by context. And if you were a fraction of the educator you like to believe you are, you would have been able to figure that out on your own. And, the fact that the Radfem movement still gladly welcomes such bigoted shitheels as Gail Dines, Cathy Brennan and Sheila Jeffreys, they indeed are a bigk heaping, steaming pile of bigots.

(or, insert "gander/goose" snark here, given your eternal attempt to smear any disagreement with your ideology as "MRA!!!!"" And your incessant attempts at falsely claiming that "MRA=HateGroupZOMG" Which is kinda what I'm doing here to your particular sacred cow. Capice?)

[redqueen]

64. I'm so not surprised you're still desperately trying to change the subject.

The link is in post 50. Which you'd know if you actually gave a shit about the subject of this thread.

And those people you're frothing at the mouth about weren't at Radfems respond, the group which was denied a meeting space, while MRAs are allowed theirs. So please stop with the propaganda.

[smirkymonkey]

66. +10,000

[randys1]

29. Maybe they should hire these people

[link:|

[Harmony Blue]

30. Making death threats to shut down

differing opinions is not a hallmark of a democracy.

Those that are laughing in this thread lack empathy and miss the big picture.

[etherealtruth]

39. The Detroit Police Department is NOT aware of any threats

From the Detroit PD:

Officer Adam Madera, a Detroit police spokesman, confirmed hotel officials recently contacted the department about hiring off-duty officers who work in the Secondary Employment program. The program was established by the city in 2011 and allows uniformed off-duty officers to moonlight as security guards.

“We provided them with information about the program, but other than that, we haven’t received any word about threats,” he said.

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140602/METRO/306020106#ixzz33t4O1V12

[Squinch]

56. A. You might want to read the article again. B. Bahahahahahah!!!!!!

[Comrade Grumpy]

32. Misleading headline. It is the hotel requesting additional security.

But carry on.

[opiate69]

33. Sadly...

he can't carry on.

[1000words]

53. LMAO ...

*Ahem* ...

I mean ... we'll miss you, buddy.

[Comrade Grumpy]

62. Oh, well. n/t

[etherealtruth]

36. From the local media it appears the hotel did not know what type of group it was

... and DoubleTree (DoubleTree Hotel at 525 W. Lafayette Blvd., Detroit) is not happy about the backlash associated with having what many consider a hate group having a conference there.

[sufrommich]

40. I have yet to see any actual proof that the hotel

demanded additional security.Every time I've tried to find it,it takes me to articles where AVFM is making that claim.

[redqueen]

42. Kinda like when Warren Farrell's fans swore he was invited by the WH to head some committee.

No other mention besides his own site.

Its revealing that anti-feminists of all stripes are so desperate that they will just make shit up out of whole cloth to further their agendas. The more progress feminists make, the more desperate anti-feminists will become.

[sufrommich]

44. It's just bizarre.After someone questioned them

about why the guy at the front desk didn't know anything about death threats,they're now claiming they have an "informant" at the hotel who told them about the threats.So which is it,a formal letter from the hotel demanding money for extra security or an informant?

[etherealtruth]

47. One would think the Detroit Police would know about any threats

.... yet, they know nothing .....Hmmmmmmmm......?

[redqueen]

51. Anti-feminists are so desperate to have any excuse

they'll believe any lie.

[ismnotwasm]

54. Oh, the hate group. Under "misogyny" in the SLPC

Here's a cool thing about Detroit, well-- with a little help.

100 serial rapists identified after rape kits from Detroit Crime Lab are finally processed

DETROIT (WXYZ) - "I was in shock. I was outraged and I just assumed kits were being tested," said actress Mariska Hargitay about the thousands of rape kits in Detroit and across the country that have been left sitting in storage without being processed, allowing rapists to remain free to attack again. And they often do.

Hargitay joined Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy to announce legislation that will soon be introduced to state lawmakers that is aimed at setting guidelines and deadlines for rape kits tests to be processed.

"Testing rape kits is vital for keeping rapists off the street," said Hargitay during Monday's press conference.

Over 11,000 sexual assault kits, some dating back to the 1980's, were found abandoned in a Detroit Police storage facility back in 2009.

Not long after the rape kits were discovered, Worthy pushed to start the processing with Michigan State Police.

http://www.wxyz.com/news/100-serial-rapists-identified-after-rape-kits-from-detroit-crime-lab-are-finally-processed

[Comrade Grumpy]

65. I was just going by what the link from the OP said:

"The hotel hosting the conference in Detroit, Michigan sent a letter to organizers requesting the additional security and expressed concerns about the safety of its employees and guests related to threats of violence."

I'm not concerned enough about this whole kerfluffle to spend time tracking down additional proofs.

[intaglio]

63. The hotel refuses to confirm that it sent the letter

It also refuses to confirm if it received any threats.

This could all be a figment of Paul Elam's imagination.

[KamaAina]

37. Remember, guns don't kill people, feminists kill people.

[smirkymonkey]

67. What a sad ass group of losers!