If Zimmerman's head was being bashed on concrete, wouldn't he need medical attention?

[Hugabear]

If Trayvon was repeatedly smashing Zimmerman's head on concrete, wouldn't paramedics have insisted on checking him out? At the very least, they would need to rule out any possible concussion - a very likely result of such an assault. They would also want to make sure there was no other brain damage.

Of course that didn't happen, because Zimmerman is a fucking liar. He figured people would just accept his story because the kid was black.

[niyad]

1. one would think that if he were, in the words of his brother, "one blow from being in diapers the

rest of his life", he wouldn't have had enough coordination to retrieve and use his gun, nor to be walking around--unmarked and unassisted, 30 minutes later.

[mzmolly]

20. Absolutely right.

And, police would have been negligent not to take him to an ER.

[Quixote1818]

2. It's pretty hard to bash a head in the ground with no hair to grab onto.

Especially since he said Martin had his hand on Zimmerman's mouth.

[arcane1]

6. I wondered that myself, having never repeatedly slammed someone's head into concrete

You have to grab onto something! Hair, jacket, ears, something! One thing is certain: you can't repeatedly slam someone's head into concrete without leaving a mark

[Sulla]

11. There was a mark

You haven't seen the enhanced images of the back of his head?

[pnwmom]

13. What about a mark on the concrete? Shouldn't there have been blood found there?

Blood stains don't wash away easily . . . and it is a police job to preserve evidence.

[Quixote1818]

15. Enhanced is not the correct word. Don't you mean photo-shopped?

All you have to do to make something look dark is add contrast to shadows on a head and make them look like bruises or cuts. I know this because I am a professional photographer and work with photoshop every day. The images I have seen clearly look like contrast was added and the shadows darkened. I am sure there is a small scratch or cuts on there but not a gash or the Fire Department would have put a bandage on it.

[Sulla]

18. But why?

Why would MSNBC doctor the images?

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. What MSNBC showed you was not the serious injury

That was claimed that required stitches...which leads to the other question, head woulda BLEED, and I mean BLEED. He was transported to the station 35 minutes after the supposed injury. Did you see any blood stains? Me neither. Will be charitable since we saw the same tape. It looked to me, even in enhanced mode, as an old scratch.

A recent, as in a 30 minute or so old wound...there be blood. As in fresh blood, and cops would be wearing gloves.

[mzmolly]

22. There was a momentary shadow,

which was picked up by various outlets as evidence of an assault.

[magical thyme]

9. he said he had his hand on Zimmerman's mouth?

But I thought Zimmerdad said Zimmerman was the one yelling for help!?!

So which is it, folks? Hand on mouth? Or yelling for help?

But then, Zimmerdad also said he was pounding on Zimmerman for over 2 minutes.

Of course, it is exactly 2 minutes from when Zimmerman got off phone with police and they arrived to find Trayvon already dead. And 1 minute from when Trayvon's call to his girlfriend ended and the police arrived.

That Trayvon is something. He was able to pound Zimmerman's head into concrete for over 2 minutes, talk on the phone with his girlfriend for 1 last minute, and get shot and killed -- all within the same 2 minutes. And not have a scrape or bruise on his knuckles.

Zimmerman's something too. He was able to repeatedly articulate HELP with Trayvon's hand over or in his mouth, while getting his head pounded for over two minutes on concrete, and shoot and kill Trayvon. And walk away with a broken nose and horribly gashed head that left no visible marks and required no bandages or ER visit.

[Hugabear]

10. Maybe Zimmerman is a mutant

They heal pretty fast. At least some of the ones in movies do.

[Quixote1818]

19. Yes, that was in the report someplace

Don't remember where I first heard it but this berson at Daily KOS brings it up:

Snip>Now this is where things get sketchy. To recap: Trayvon had walked up to him, said a few words, and then punched him in face, dropping him to the sidewalk. That seems to be in the realm of possibility. Certainly not have I or most kids would have acted, but some might. But now after Zimmerman's on the ground, Trayvon proceeds to straddle him, pinning his arms with his knees, put a hand over his mouth and pound him with his other hand and/or smash his head into the sidewalk for around a minute.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/29/1078785/-I-m-not-Buying-what-Zimmerman-is-Selling

[FarPoint]

3. I certainly think so...

If the officers and medics discounted the trauma zimmerman now claims occurred...that would be negligent of both professionals. Even when he visited the jail as noted in the video, medical staff are at the jail and could of assessed zimmerman. No mention of this detail by the zimmy camp.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. Yup

In the field Cervical Collar and backboard at the very least.

In the ER a series of tests to discard a series of problems.

There is more, he was walking just dandy and nothing on tape indicates injuries.

[Quixote1818]

5. Watch this video. One impact into the wall and the guy is out cold

[russspeakeasy]

7. He would need no more attention than you would if you dreamed that

a bear was biting your leg.

[toddwv]

8. Not only that, but since it was pivotal to his claim of "self defense"

the cops should've taken pictures to document the injuries.

Yet we have neither seen nor heard of the existence of such pictures.

[pnwmom]

12. And wouldn't there have been blood stains on the concrete?

Or did the paramedics wash that away, too?

[polly7]

14. Yes, he would have been given special attention, especially as his brother said he had decreased

level of consciousness. He probably would have been immobilized and in a c-collar.

[coeur_de_lion]

30. standard procedure for head injuries:

1) Airway management
2) Spinal immobilization
3) Circulation (rapid trauma survey)
4) Neurological Examination
5) Fluid therapy

http://theemtspot.com/2009/07/16/treatment-of-head-injury/

I was an EMT years ago. You get the neck immobilized. Back board, cervical collar. First thing you do if someone says they've had their head bashed against anything.

This guy was not hurt badly at all. They would have had him treated for fear of lawsuit if he had been. They turned the rescue squad back from what I've read.

I can't wait for all this to be resolved in a court of law -- I've read everything I could find and I think the guy is guilty as hell. I think Trayvon Martin's only crime was being "uppity" enough to tell him to get lost when he confronted him.

Zimmerman had anger issues. Serious anger issues. He shouldn't have been allowed to carry a concealed weapon, shouldn't have been anywhere near a neighborhood watch program. Idiot didn't have sense enough not to confront a suspected criminal alone. What if Trayvon had been an actual criminal? He would have gotten the gun away from Zim and killed him with it. Why chase? And after chasing, why get so close, why be confrontational? Unless you've got serious anger issues.

Zim thought he was a CSI or or cop or something. Big brave strong man, protecting the neighborhood from young boys with skittles.

Haven't posted on DU for a long time but this has me outraged.

[polly7]

31. Yes, all those things with a suspected head and possible accompanying spinal

injury. Especially, with the MOI he related and the decreased LOC as was stated. It's protocol, and no EMT or Paramedic that I know of would not follow it.

I didn't realize they had turned back the rescue squad. That about says it all ........ he was not hurt as has been reported, or as nearly as bad as they're trying to make a case for.

Even if he had been ........... stalkers with guns who corner their prey shouldn't expect anything other than self-defense out of fear, alone.

[HooptieWagon]

16. Just a guess

But I would think that if there were ANY indication of head wound or concussion that an ER trip would be mandatory, just to cover cops and emt asses.

[polly7]

17. Yes, and I hate to sound repetitive, but any change in LOC would indicate a trip to the ER. nt.

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. Or if his level of consciousness was intact

An against medical advise form...

Tape at the station shows nada though that indicates the level of injuries claimed.

[jeff47]

23. You don't understand - Zimmerman is just so manly and rugged he wasn't injured.

[NYC_SKP]

24. I want to answer, "I Don't Know - Let's Find Out.", but that would be wrong...

But still a big part of me feels that way.

[Hugabear]

25. It's basic anatomy

The human skill isn't designed to withstand such repetitive trauma. If Zimmerman's skull had been repeatedly struck on a hard surface, the police would have made sure he received treatment.

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. It is EMS Pre hospital protocols 101

The kind of injuries claimed mean cervical collar and backboard at a minimum.

If he was completely oriented then he could legally refuse care, with an against medical advise form. I required those in far less litigious country, I doubt SFD woud not if the injuries were there.

But the major hole is the tape 35 minutes later, the head and nose bleed like well pigs...there were zero signs of struggle, tucked shirt and all, and good ambulatory...and no blood anywhere.

By the way if you ever have a chance, and have a friend in the force, try to get out of the back seat, even without cuffs is not exactly easy, and that is by design. Modern police cars have molded plastic seats, it makes cleanup easier. With cuffs, and hands behind back, he did it extremely well for somebody who was supposedly beaten to one inch of his life.

[NYC_SKP]

28. What I meant really was that maybe we should slam the fucker's head into the pavement....

...but I appreciate that you and the OP both took my reply as a sincere comment.

Hey, how's the OSD crowd doin?

[nadinbrzezinski]

29. I got a lovely cold in Mexico

Heck was bad enough there was a tinge of pneumonia. I haven't been down there, literally been sick.

I am also not good at sharing bugs.



I guess, if the coughing goes away, will go visit soon.

The hacking, oh my...I hope I am not waking up the neighbors.