Cryptome pushes Greenwald's ZOMG button.

[OilemFirchen]

A Radical Pro-Transparency Website Is Raising Money To Annoy Glenn Greenwald

Before there was Wikileaks, there was Cryptome, still one of the web's premiere clearing-houses for information that government, industry, or the intelligence community wouldn't necessarily want to be made public. Now, the site is trying to raise $100,000 — largely because of rifts within the pro-transparency community that Cryptome helped build.

...

Business Insider got in touch with John Young, Cryptome's 78-year-old founder and a professional architect, to ask about the Kickstarter campaign. Young said that the money will go towards creating a system where any user can access the entirety of the site's archives.

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"I'll candidly admit that this is aimed at [Pierre] Omidyar's operation and these oligarchs moving into public service," Young told Business Insider. He accuses First Look Media — the PayPal founder's media startup, anchored by Glenn Greenwald and Laura Poitras, the journalists who broke the Snowden leaks — and even Wikileaks of "hyping public debate" through their coverage decisions.

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Greenwald's newly-published book is currently posted on Cryptome, free for anyone with an internet connection.

a) Business Insider is a shitrag. Nonetheless, this looks like fairly straightforward reporting. I'll be happy to be disabused of the notion.

b) This is philosophical Turducken. Splendidly delicious, with only the finest ingredients, each bite is savory decadence: Irony, revenge and sharp ideology with a HOT FUDGE finish.

c) I take no positions on the various players, their motives, means or outcomes.

d) For entertainment purposes only.

[jberryhill]

1. It's a petard engineering convention

[pinboy3niner]

2. I'm hoisting one to you

[jberryhill]

4. You're such a good sport

[pinboy3niner]

5. I am nothing if not sporty--whatever that means

Sporty Spice?

[OilemFirchen]

6. Is that a real tattoo?

Or a Sears tattoo?

[Luminous Animal]

8. Fake tatoo. Real arm.

[jberryhill]

9. Or vice versa

[Luminous Animal]

12. Also, looking at her stomach while squinting your eyes, there is a cherub sucking

Jesus's eye.

[Luminous Animal]

22. Withut squinting, it's a snow child sucking Jesus's eye.

[pinboy3niner]

33. She should get some REAL tattoos, like mine

Oops! What was I thinking? That's another glass ceiling.

[Luminous Animal]

36. Those will come in handy when you try to convince somebody of something.

[pinboy3niner]

37. Alas, no one else ever sees them

Until posting them now, few have witnessed their magnificence.

[Luminous Animal]

39. Aw! :) The colors are great and have stood the test of time.

[Luminous Animal]

7. WTF happened to her arm?! Holy hell!! I always liked Sporty Spice. I didn't know she was in an

accident.

[pinboy3niner]

10. Who knows?

But my tattoos are he-man military tattoos. Aaarrrgh!

What's wrong with her????

[jberryhill]

11. Spice Girls? Really?

I know 39er is older than me, and Spice Girls were a "thing" aimed a lot younger than my age group.

I wouldn't know Paprika Spice from Curry Spice, let alone have a favorite.

What happened to her arm? It apparently got sent back to the late 80's and thinks it is attached to Madonna.

[Luminous Animal]

13. Below her bicep, you could thread shish kabob.

[jberryhill]

19. Dude, it's the border of the picture

She's shot on a white background. You are looking at the edge of the image, which is clipping her arm.

[Luminous Animal]

21. What happened to her inner forearm?

[Luminous Animal]

35. And look over to her left shoulder. It looks like ET's head is poking out.

[jberryhill]

71. Do us a favor...

If that's what you see, please do not look closely at any pictures of the events of 9/11 or the Kennedy assassination.

This is a public service message.

[2naSalit]

51. I was wondering

who plopped that mop on her head! They could have tucked in the binding tape along the edge a little better brfore taking the picture! Yikes!

[pinboy3niner]

16. I guess you must have missed the major trauma when What'sername Spice left the group

Easy for you to disparage us without having a clue about our utter devastation!!!

[jberryhill]

44. Wasn't that Old Spice

[nikto]

25. My favorite Spice Girls were...

Single-Payer Spice
and
Public-Funded Political Campaigns Spice.


With honorable mentions to--

Gibson ES335 Spice
and
Pepperoni Pizza Spice.

And nothing but "thumbs-down" for
Swastika Spice
and
Supply-Side Spice

And curses to
World Bank Spice
and
IMF Spice

[pinboy3niner]

27. You're a man of my own heart

[nikto]

29. Geniuses need to stick together

[Unknown Beatle]

28. What's that on her head?

A hair helmet?

[Luminous Animal]

3. Indeed. They posted a 7 minute video of the back & side of Greenwald's head. I'm not lying.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1874173687/cryptome-global-archives

7 minutes of the back and side of Greenwald's head in an attempt to raise $100K.

I asked Greenwaald what we might expect for $100K? And he said, "The front of my head!"

[grasswire]

14. they posted the book?

...and it's available to anyone for free?

Isn't there a copyright issue involved there?

[Cali_Democrat]

17. Ya it's illegal...

....like taking classified docs is also illegal....

[Luminous Animal]

23. Could you post the link?

[Cali_Democrat]

30. Link to what? The law detailing how taking classified docs is illegal?

Sure thing, boss:

United States Code Section 793

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793

Snowden took those docs did he not? That's illegal.

It's not illegal for Greenwald to publish, but much of his book is based on stolen classified information and he wants to profit off of it.

Now Cryptome has illegally published Greenwald's book as he's looking to profit.

Funny shit!

[Luminous Animal]

31. To the pdf of the book.

[Cali_Democrat]

34. The article says his book is posted there....

I haven't tried to look for it.

[OilemFirchen]

49. Here ya go...

Scroll down to May 23, 2014 on their home page: http://cryptome.org/. There's a 7z and two PDFs. They are, granted, cryptically hidden by their titles: No Place to Hide Intro Parts 1-5 Epilogue, No Place to Hide Part 2 Ten Days in Hong Kong, and No Place to Hide Part 4 The Harm of Surveillance.

ETA: The 7z is the full compilation of all the PDFs - some of which I missed: No Place to Hide Part 5 The 4th Estate Epilogue (May 22), No Place to Hide Introduction Part 1 Contact (May 21) and No Place to Hide Part 3 Collect It All (May 20).

[Luminous Animal]

52. Oh, I already have the book and I knew the link. But thanks!

[OilemFirchen]

53. I have no doubt. Free advance copy?

Do you have the link to Google too?

Don't make me search...

[Cha]

24. From the horse's mouth.. "Sometimes to do the right thing you have to break a law.”

Of course, that's only for ol Eddie.. No one else.

The 13 Most Bizarre Things from Edward Snowden’s NBC News Interview

snip///

Last night, while watching Brian Williams’ interview with Ed Snowden, I actually agreed with Glenn Greenwald about something. Back in 2012, Greenwald referred to Williams as “NBC News’ top hagiographer,” using “his reverent, soothing, self-important baritone” to deliver information in its “purest, most propagandistic, and most subservient form.”

It’s worth noting at the outset that Greenwald flew all the way to Moscow specifically for the NBC News interview, and he appeared on camera with Snowden and Williams, answering questions from this so-called “hagiographer.”

When GG called Brian Williams NBC News' top hagiographer

snip//

1) Snowden claimed he has “no relationship” with the Russian government and that he’s “not supported” by it. That’s odd, given how the Russian government has twice offered him asylum and one of his lawyers, Anatoly Kucherena, is an attorney with the Russian intelligence agency, the FSB (formerly the KGB). Tell me again why anyone should trust this guy?

2) “Sometimes to do the right thing you have to break a law.” So it’s really up to each of us individually to decide whether our own interpretation of “doing the right thing” necessitates breaking the law? A lot of awful things have occurred with that exact justification. Also, what if NSA feels the same way, Ed?

4) Early on, Snowden said, “I’m not a spy.” Later he famously confessed to being “trained as a spy.” Huh?

snip//

12) “People have unfairly demonized the NSA to a point that is too extreme.” Why is Snowden an apologist for the surveillance state? Drooling! Vast!

snip//

"Ultimately, Snowden is his own worst enemy and his ongoing ability to say crazy things in a calm, collected voice continues. What’s abundantly clear at this point is that no one will ever land an interview with Snowden who will be as adversarial against the former NSA contractor as Greenwald has been in his own reporting in defense of Snowden. It’ll never happen."

MOre Shite from Snowden..
http://thedailybanter.com/2014/05/13-bizarre-things-edward-snowdens-nbc-news-interview/

[randome]

46. Snowden's dreamy voice.

He should do audio tapes to help people with sleep apnea. I'm sure he could do that while awaiting trial, too!
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You have to play the game to find out why you're playing the game. -Existenz[/center][/font][hr]

[flamingdem]

56. That was the most soft ball interview ever

what a wasted opportunity to dig in to the facts. It sure looks like they are helping him probably to curry favor with Snowdonites (youth market segment) for eyeballs.

Even with Williams help Snowden came off like a bad used car salesman.

I'd say it's borscht for him for a looong time!

[Cha]

58. I say Eddie should listen to Daniel Ellsberg if he doesn't want to hear what John

Kerry has to say about it. Stay in Russia, Putin's got his back.. but, don't be whining anymore about how he wants to come home and lying about how he sent 10 emails to the NSA.

[bobduca]

48. Gosh who else expected you all to detect any difference between those laws

False Equivalence is a powerful hammer and every problem looks like a nail!

[jberryhill]

20. The public has a right to know

Ergo, it is free to publish.

[Luminous Animal]

26. And cryptome has the right of to raise $100K by posting 7 minutes of the back of Greenwald's head.

Too funny.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1874173687/cryptome-global-archives

[Cha]

15. Oh fuck.. nothing's going to make GG more mad then someone he thinks is

honing in on his money making machine.. Ca Ching.$$$$$$!

From your link.. Ouch, Burn!

"I'll candidly admit that this is aimed at [Pierre] Omidyar's operation and these oligarchs moving into public service," Young told Business Insider. He accuses First Look Media — the PayPal founder's media startup, anchored by Glenn Greenwald and Laura Poitras, the journalists who broke the Snowden leaks — and even Wikileaks of "hyping public debate" through their coverage decisions.

Worse, in Young's mind, is that they're allegedly profiting off of whistleblowing. "It's making a tremendous amount of money for a lot of people and we find that offensive," says Young. Cryptome, in contrast, is "a free public library, rather than a product for sale."

Greenwald's newly-published book is currently posted on Cryptome, free for anyone with an internet connection."

Fuck, John Young's read my mind! Thank you for this, OF.. and Good Luck to John Young!

[Luminous Animal]

18. You should watch the 100K video. Riveting and totally worth a donation.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1874173687/cryptome-global-archives

I hope you put your money where your mouth is.

[m-lekktor]

43. lol. i watched about 3 minutes of it!

I never heard of this group. i am sure they despise the "deep security state" as much as greenwald/snowden et al. the more the merrier!

[msanthrope]

47. Cryptome was around long before Wikileaks, and in fact publicly eschewed Assange

noting that he was a d-bag long before anyone else. The Youngs knew him well, and despise him.

[treestar]

41. I wonder if Glenn is going to sue them

They are publishing his book so anyone can access it for free?

[Cha]

42. We'll see won't we.. this is such delightful news, treestar. Someone.. John Young is messing

with GG's cash cow.

[joshcryer]

62. Doubtful.

His book is aimed at the ignorant talking point masses, not the informed hacker culture who already has means to acquire it freely (I read it that way). He won't cause a Streisand effect over it.

[Cha]

32. Greenwald responds in all Capital Letters.. Rofl.

"Reached for comment by email, Greenwald objected in all-caps to the idea that he is profiting off of the Snowden leaks, and notes that "THERE IS AN OBVIOUS IRONY TO COMPLAINING THAT WE'RE PROFITING FROM OUR WORK WHILE HE TRIES TO RAISE $100,000 BY FEATURING OUR WORK."

Yeah, GG.. BFD.. he wants to raise $100, 000 to get the word out on your fucking profiteering from Snowden leaks while you're making Million$$$ or is it Billion$$$$$?

9
Jan
2014 The Colbert Report..

Secrets for Sale?: The Greenwald/Omidyar/NSA connection

Greedy Money Grubbing Greenwald

[Luminous Animal]

38. Strange you left this off from Greenwald..."I'M GLAD THERE IS A CRYPTOME AND HOPE THEY SUCCEED

IN RAISING THE MONEY THEY WANT."

[Cha]

40. Not "strange" at all.. the link is in the OP.. anyone can go there and read the rest and post

what they want from it. See how that works. It doesn't change one bit of GG's bullshit quote that I did post.

[flamingdem]

57. Priceless!

[Cha]

59. Really! Here's to John Young..

[Whisp]

66. What a slimey liar. Gawd that man is despicable.

How can anyone with two brain cells to rub together support this charlatan.

[Cha]

67. They're

just like him? Greenwald hates Obama so he must be okay?

[msanthrope]

45. Cryptome is the only leaker site worth reading. It always has been. nt

[joshcryer]

60. Cryptome posts everything.

Young was recently trolled by GG/Assange's people over a PGP scam in order to discredit him.

[msanthrope]

61. What happened?? nt

[joshcryer]

63. Was sent a message with a forged public key.

Posted it as a real message, GG popped up, said it wasn't him (and that he used a non-public key).

Note: they don't blame Assange/GG's people for it but it's kind of obvious. Get Cryptome to post it, then call out Cryptome for "disinfo campaign."

Cryptome, because they post everything, never says that something is true, and there is admittedly a lot of crazy shit on there.

[msanthrope]

64. What assholes. No wonder Young published his book. nt

[joshcryer]

65. He posted Luke Harding's book, too, mind you.

But the versions elsewhere are better. He posts crappy scans on Cryptome, you can get the actual ebooks on other sites. They probably don't care, it'd be worse to Streisand effect it than it would be to just ignore it.

I read No Place To Hide, it doesn't really drop any bombshells, Harding's book is a lot better about writing about Snowden's background. Harding really busted his ass and it was amusing when Greenwald shit on Harding over the book when The Snowden Files actually is very generous to Snowden. Importantly, it lays out the Libertarian background Snowden has.

[msanthrope]

69. Harding wrote the better book by a mile, and that's because he is a better writer and

researcher, and had no reason to conceal Snowden's Libertarian contacts. No Place To Hide is pretty thin on research, and suffers because GG is not able to distance himself appropriately.

Greenwald

[joshcryer]

74. "They," "their," "them."

That's Greenwald's book in a nutshell. Walls and walls of incessant self-aggrandizement against the "powers that be." All the while working for a billionaire and whose entire journalistic career is making shit personal with other people being sure to write click-bait articles that are sure to impress the masses.

The 5th Estate chapter is literally, quite literally, a mishmash of how the entire world is basically against him.

[Cha]

75. thanks for the heads up on that book, josh. Luke Harding's "The Snowden Files". nm

[OilemFirchen]

50. The outer Matryoshka doll

No Place to Hide Freed

The copying and unlimited distribution of No Place to Hide is to compensate in a small way for the failure to release 95% of the Snowden material to the public.

After Snowden dumped the full material on Greenwald, Poitras and Gellman, about 97% of it has been withheld. This book provides a minuscule amount, 106 images, of the 1500 pages released so far out of between 59,000 and 1.7 million allegedly taken by Snowden.

The book is useful to begin to understand what remains to be revealed, what books, article, film, video are concocted to make much of the few releases, what may slowly come in months, years and decades, if ever. And what is surely to be concealed of changes in NSA and other spy agencies around the world in response to the Snowden releases. Delay in full release of the Snowden material will give the spies greater opportunities to continue programs unchanged and devise new ones which are unlikely to be disclosed by another Snowden.

Download the book for free, point others to it, use it to demand release of all the Snowden material as soon as possible in order for a genuine, informed public debate can get underway while officials and the material withholders jointly scramble to prevent it.

[randome]

54. I'm sure that's true. But it's also likely that the vast majority of stolen documents are useless.

I think Greenwald's 'grand finale' will be akin to the last fizzle of a sparkler.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]

[OilemFirchen]

55. Doubtless

However, as of late last year, Cryptome estimates that, at the current rate of release, it will take 36.3 years to complete the disclosure.

That's job security!

[Number23]

68. "Worse, in Young's mind, is that they're allegedly profiting off of whistleblowing."

+ a million. Not that what Snowden was whistle blowing, but allowing Greenwald to steer the debate (while making a shitload of $$$ in the process) makes it more offensive.

K&R

[OilemFirchen]

70. It's a rubber-meeting-road moment.

Perhaps that explains why there's a lack of participation on this thread by transparency purists. Perhaps they're trapped in the wreckage. Perhaps all of their saviors are too busy snapping photos of the carnage to lend a helping hand.

It's an honest discussion to be had amongst those who advocate for open-everything. Is there a conflict between exposition of wrongdoing and reaping a profit in the process? Are oligarchs excused when they do a public service - even when they stand to increase their wealth as a result?

And what is a journalist in the 21st century? Greenwald, who proclaims to eschew conventional journalism by practicing the advocacy sort - at a lucrative rate? Or Cryptome, who offers open-source everything they can get their mitts on - for free, and for whom, accordingly, no recompense finds its way?

What of the general good? Compensation notwithstanding, if there is a public need-to-know, how is said public better served? By dribbling out bits and pieces of information, Greenwald-style or by dumping the entire docket all at once, Ellsberg-style?

Would that the cadre of Constitution-loving, whistleblower-championing fierce advocates join the conversation. I think that would be splendid.

[Number23]

72. Oh, you know as well as I do why they aren't here. The same folks that bray that Obama supporters

are "swooners," "Tiger Beat" aficionados (Tiger Beat?? Can they get any lamer?) and other such mindless insults have affixed the same level of swoonage they decry in others towards Glen Greenwald and Ed Snowden.

And as Young is the latest to dare to question Greenwald's methods and/or motives, he will be ignored by the "Constitution-loving, whistleblower-championing fierce advocates" who decry lockstepping but (hilariously) seem to always be doing just that when it comes to Greenwald without the slightest level of awareness or irony.

Your questions are profound:

Are oligarchs excused when they do a public service - even when they stand to increase their wealth as a result?
Compensation notwithstanding, if there is a public need-to-know, how is said public better served? By dribbling out bits and pieces of information, Greenwald-style or by dumping the entire docket all at once, Ellsberg-style?

Sometimes just asking the right questions is its own answer. And in this case, it would have to be because I don't think you'll get any other ones.

[OilemFirchen]

73. Maybe I need a Bat Signal:

... or maybe not...