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applegrove

(118,865 posts)
Fri May 30, 2014, 08:01 PM May 2014

"Sterling Reportedly Has Alzheimer’s"

Sterling Reportedly Has Alzheimer’s

at the Daily Beast

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2014/05/30/report-sterling-has-alzheimer-s.html

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It turns out Donald Sterling’s passive role in the sale of the L.A. Clippers has to do with more than just his racist comments about African Americans. TMZ Sports reports that Sterling has Alzheimer’s and doctors (who concluded he may have had the disease as long as five years) declared him incompetent to play a role in the sale of the team. This would be consistent with other media reports that Shelly Sterling, who is acting as sole trustee, said her husband was not capable of making the decision to sell the team. Meanwhile, ex-Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer, who is buying the team for $2 billion, is said to be paying in all cash.


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"Sterling Reportedly Has Alzheimer’s" (Original Post) applegrove May 2014 OP
Unfortunately I had arrived at this conclusion, this is sad, I am feeling as bad as his conduct Thinkingabout May 2014 #1
I don't think the NBA should reconsider. Racism is racism. And it is obviously embedded in his mind. applegrove May 2014 #2
I agree the remarks should never be made and until we understand more about Alzheimer's which Thinkingabout May 2014 #4
But you are still responsible for your actions when you have altzheimers or any other mental illness applegrove May 2014 #5
Alzheimer's Disease is a terminal illness and one is NOT responsible for their actions ... etherealtruth May 2014 #11
The treatment may slow the progress but does not reverse the progress of the disease. Thinkingabout May 2014 #14
Yes my dad has Alzheimers'. I see him every day. Thankfully the treatment has kept him applegrove May 2014 #15
My father had Alzheimer's, I feel for you and your father. My father lost the ability to walk. Thinkingabout May 2014 #19
Mine should be using a wheelchair but wants to be independant. He's still his sweet self applegrove May 2014 #21
I think it is horrible the way the NBA is treating Sterling. Jenoch May 2014 #3
It is all about the market. former9thward May 2014 #18
My response to that is... 2naSalit May 2014 #6
Do you understand how Alzheimer's actually works? Kurska May 2014 #7
Yes I do... Have loved ones who have it, 2naSalit May 2014 #8
Were the full tapes ever released? Kurska May 2014 #9
I honestly don't care 2naSalit May 2014 #12
I imagine a lot of octogenarians have had to undergo transformations of their views elias7 May 2014 #28
It was during the CNN interview I realized he was suffering from dementia, it does not know Thinkingabout May 2014 #16
That sucks Egnever May 2014 #10
I’m a business person and I’m caught up on Mr. Ballmer paying 2 billion in cash. ms.smiler May 2014 #13
Also, when I googled "value of NBA teams" gollygee May 2014 #24
He and his wife are pulling off the greatest scam since ENRON. nt kelliekat44 May 2014 #17
The 'girlfriend' was baiting him on call... maced666 May 2014 #20
Or he did it on purpose because warrior1 May 2014 #22
If he is incompetent, the punishment is not appropriate elias7 May 2014 #23
Alzheimers or not, he has no basis for reversal of the NBA's action tularetom May 2014 #27
he was a racist and all around shithead long before his recorded rant. KG May 2014 #25
He has a long history of racism gollygee May 2014 #26

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
1. Unfortunately I had arrived at this conclusion, this is sad, I am feeling as bad as his conduct
Fri May 30, 2014, 08:12 PM
May 2014

might be, apparently he is not himself. I would hope the NBA would reconsider their findings and back off of this. Alzheimer's is a terrible, the person can change and does not have proper logic and is actually in need for someone take control of any decisions he needs in his life. After hearing his "apology" it was oblivious he was not in control of himself. I would hope there would be some leaders in the NBA who would step up and accept his condition for as it is.

applegrove

(118,865 posts)
2. I don't think the NBA should reconsider. Racism is racism. And it is obviously embedded in his mind.
Fri May 30, 2014, 08:15 PM
May 2014

It would be intolerable to let him off the hook. That being said I hope he gets help (there is treatment) and that V. Stiviano and others are kept away from him because there are predators out there who would love nothing more than to exploit him. He doesn't have the capacity to own the Clippers anymore. He has abused all his players and all his fans. That happened.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
4. I agree the remarks should never be made and until we understand more about Alzheimer's which
Fri May 30, 2014, 08:28 PM
May 2014

is not a kind disease this turns from cruel racists remarks and becomes nasty ugly remarks against someone who does not choose to have Alzheimer, a different type of discrimination.

applegrove

(118,865 posts)
5. But you are still responsible for your actions when you have altzheimers or any other mental illness
Fri May 30, 2014, 09:00 PM
May 2014

You need treatment, sure. I had a grandfather who was so upset when he got put on a ward of a hospital when he had altzheimers' that he assaulted his roommate. He ended up in a psychiatric hospital for the rest of his life. So he could not do more damage. And it was a nice place. They had more resources than an altzheimers' ward in a nursing home. So it worked out well. But he had to be isolated from other patients and he was. Donald Sterling's wife has control of the team and she is selling it. So no more damage can be done. And I'm sure he will be taken care of (there are systems in place I'm sure to make sure a rich man will not be exploited by anyone, including family, when he is declared incompetent). And he will get medical care. And treatment (there is treatment). But he can't lead/own the team where he did so much damage. I think the NBA is stepping back from taking the team away from Sterling and letting his wife sell it unpressured. That is the best thing for everyone.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
11. Alzheimer's Disease is a terminal illness and one is NOT responsible for their actions ...
Fri May 30, 2014, 09:26 PM
May 2014

... after the earliest stages.

Alzheimer's Disease is not a mental illness

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
14. The treatment may slow the progress but does not reverse the progress of the disease.
Fri May 30, 2014, 10:16 PM
May 2014

Yes there are facilities to place those suffering from Alzheimer's. Have you spent time on a regular basis with someone with Alzheimer's? I am not trying to be ugly and as in the case of Donald Sterling he apparently has only been evaluated in the past few days. This does not mean he did not have the problem before. His statements are terrible. Alzheimer's
is terrible, terrible for the families, I would not wish this on my worst enemy.

applegrove

(118,865 posts)
15. Yes my dad has Alzheimers'. I see him every day. Thankfully the treatment has kept him
Fri May 30, 2014, 10:19 PM
May 2014

for the most part from getting worse. He is still himself mostly. I try not to think of the future and live for the week and count my blessing. I have lots of help too which makes a difference.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
19. My father had Alzheimer's, I feel for you and your father. My father lost the ability to walk.
Fri May 30, 2014, 10:29 PM
May 2014

He could talk and for him to retain that ability was a blessing. I recognized him as my father, my daddy and was blessed to become his friend in my adult life. I cherished the good moments we could share while he was in the nursing home and due to the respect I had for my father, my Daddy and my friend, I cared for him in the time of his needs. Good luck, you will need all the help you can get.

applegrove

(118,865 posts)
21. Mine should be using a wheelchair but wants to be independant. He's still his sweet self
Fri May 30, 2014, 10:38 PM
May 2014

most of the time. He's very good at thanking me and the health care aides for everything. Yes. We are very lucky to have time with them.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
3. I think it is horrible the way the NBA is treating Sterling.
Fri May 30, 2014, 08:26 PM
May 2014

If he has Alzheimer’s and is incompetent to handle his affairs, then he is also not responsible for what was recorded by his 'girlfriend'.

Of course, if this whole bizarre situation had not occurred, the Clippers would not be sold for $2billion. The Milwaukee Bucks sold for about 1/4 of that last month.

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
7. Do you understand how Alzheimer's actually works?
Fri May 30, 2014, 09:14 PM
May 2014

If you had it people could easily goad you into saying things that wouldn't slightly represent what you actually believed before your mind was ravaged by the disease.

2naSalit

(86,880 posts)
8. Yes I do... Have loved ones who have it,
Fri May 30, 2014, 09:20 PM
May 2014

and he didn't seem to be goaded into perpetuating his POV in his interview with CNN days later. I suspect the alzheimer's claim is a sympathy ploy (IMO). F*cker has enough $$ to pay someone to say anything to get a little sympathy, I'm not buying it.

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
9. Were the full tapes ever released?
Fri May 30, 2014, 09:22 PM
May 2014

There could be a lot we never heard. I highly doubt doctors would fake something as part of a sympathy ploy.

That is my opinion at least. I'm not going to cry for the guy, I mean he got 2 billion.

2naSalit

(86,880 posts)
12. I honestly don't care
Fri May 30, 2014, 09:30 PM
May 2014

if the guy has herpaghonasyphilaids and Alzheimer's... he's a racist jerk, was long before this incident and any onset of Alz. And, of course you can pay an unscrupulous "doctor" to say anything... happens more often than you would like to know. Besides, on top of being a racist pig, he's also a member of the 1% who thinks he is more specialer than other people. Maybe it's a good thing for him to rot in his own personal hell on earth... he can try to buy his way out of that too. Not getting any sympathy or chance at understand here.

elias7

(4,032 posts)
28. I imagine a lot of octogenarians have had to undergo transformations of their views
Sat May 31, 2014, 09:23 AM
May 2014

Our culture has changed immensely in their lifetime, and a white Jewish male born in 1930 has been moved through significant changes in public perceptions and expectations with regard to race and gender that those born today take as a given.

If I took you, or your parents, or your grandparents in a mentally decompensated state and started pushing buttons, I imagine we'd uncover a lot of latent prejudice and bigotry in our id structures that are suppressed by our superego's knowledge, experience and better sense.

If you look into your heart of hearts and see purity of thought and feeling, then you can judge. Though someone that pure is usually without judgment.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
16. It was during the CNN interview I realized he was suffering from dementia, it does not know
Fri May 30, 2014, 10:21 PM
May 2014

financial wealth as a barrier. I hope you can realize the weight of Alzheimer's on the victim and their families.

ms.smiler

(551 posts)
13. I’m a business person and I’m caught up on Mr. Ballmer paying 2 billion in cash.
Fri May 30, 2014, 09:40 PM
May 2014

In hundred dollar bills, that’s about 24 standard sized shrink-wrapped pallets.

 

maced666

(771 posts)
20. The 'girlfriend' was baiting him on call...
Fri May 30, 2014, 10:35 PM
May 2014

He kept asking - Why are you asking these questions, these type questions?
Why, not sure. Younger hottie, old rich white guy, likely financial, maybe blackmail, whatever.

Sorry to hear about alzheimers.
Don't hold him responsible for comments, if so, but still?

If the comments were not made of a sound mind it is excusable but it cannot be repeated, so he has to go. Sorry, but he's better off and the public arena is spared the experience of hearing the dirt. This isn't an unfeeling public coming down on a man that may be suffering the onsets of a dementia. It's just common sense. If he is that bad off, he is not of sound mind and needs to be out of the league and getting care.
Not suffering episodes and making comments that would make Archie Bunker blush while we sift through the aftermath.
It's a private matter now, go - and be in private.
It's really not our problem to hear and deal with any longer.

warrior1

(12,325 posts)
22. Or he did it on purpose because
Fri May 30, 2014, 10:40 PM
May 2014

If he's forced to sell the team he doesn't have to pay capital gains tax and he would be saving hundreds of millions of dollars.

elias7

(4,032 posts)
23. If he is incompetent, the punishment is not appropriate
Sat May 31, 2014, 08:36 AM
May 2014

This must be reevaluated by the NBA. That recording struck me oddly in that he kept asking her why she was asking these questions, and it appears she was goading him into these statements, knowing full well she could.

He was known as a racist previously, but clearly there are racist tendencies in his thoughts, which he can no longer control. I would not like to try this experiment on any elderly Alzheimer's patient as you can probably uncover a lot of prejudice in someone who has lived through so much cultural change.

If he has Alzheimer's and has been declared incompetent, this renders null and void the whole basis for a $2.5 million fine, banning from the NBA, and forced sale of the team. Sliver's judgment must be reconsidered in this light.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
27. Alzheimers or not, he has no basis for reversal of the NBA's action
Sat May 31, 2014, 09:19 AM
May 2014

He hasn't been harmed, he just made two billion tax free dollars from the sale of the team that was worth maybe a fourth of that. He can pay the $2.5 million fine from the change between the cushions on his sofa.

His condition has not yet progressed to the point where he's unaware what he's gotten away with.

KG

(28,753 posts)
25. he was a racist and all around shithead long before his recorded rant.
Sat May 31, 2014, 08:42 AM
May 2014

my impressions form hearing the recording was of a guy that didn't seem too intelligent. but sometimes, being a massive shithead is more important than smarts when acquiring a fortune

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
26. He has a long history of racism
Sat May 31, 2014, 08:47 AM
May 2014
http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-sterling-racist-history-2014-4

And I think it's worth a bit of skeptism here. He could have Alzheimer's, but his racism has been documented to have been around longer than 5 years, so I don't think it can be blamed on that. Plus he can hire doctors and lawyers to say whatever he wants them to say. I'm not going to just assume anything he says is true. He hasn't earned implicit trust.
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