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kpete

(71,991 posts)
Sun Apr 1, 2012, 10:55 AM Apr 2012

"An unfolding pattern of treason against every decent part of our heritage as Americans."

Friday, March 18, 2011
It's common wisdom

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"What we are seeing every day is sometimes done consciously and sometimes unconsciously (in the sense of being useful idiots), but still what we are seeing is a conspiracy against every notion of equality under the law. Against every notion of community responsibility. Against every notion of justice. Against every notion of decency and fairness.

What we are seeing, that is, is an unfolding pattern of betrayal of - no, that's not strong enough - we are seeing an unfolding pattern of treason against every decent part of our heritage as Americans."

the rest:

http://whoviating.blogspot.co.uk/2011/03/its-common-wisdom.html

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"An unfolding pattern of treason against every decent part of our heritage as Americans." (Original Post) kpete Apr 2012 OP
What an awesome link, full of truth and perspective. Thanks kpete, I bookmarked it. freshwest Apr 2012 #1
I liked the article. rhett o rick Apr 2012 #2
It is a war on the public sector anything not yet privatized nineteen50 Apr 2012 #3
k and r niyad Apr 2012 #4
bookmarked snagglepuss Apr 2012 #5
And none dare call it treason in the media zeemike Apr 2012 #6
Basically, they're trying to take "We the People" out of American gov't ProfessionalLeftist Apr 2012 #7
Great job! Also, the return to 16 hr workdays socialindependocrat Apr 2012 #8
Thanks for the link, it is an excellent article /nt Dragonfli Apr 2012 #9
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
2. I liked the article.
Sun Apr 1, 2012, 11:28 AM
Apr 2012

From the article:


"While the attack on our economic Commons and these parts of our political Commons have been more - although by no means exclusively - connected with the right wing and the Republican Party than otherwise, we must always bear in mind the eternal fact that elites are not a matter of left and right but a matter of up and down. And another part of our political Commons is under unprecedented attack from those too many naively viewed as saviors."


I think this is extremely important. The current political system is broken. While maybe we should be trying to fix the system we should definitely be looking to replace the system. That's the message I get from Occupy. Some argue that it is impossible to fix a system using the system. How do you ask corrupted Congress-critters to fix themselves. And as we have seen, those in the system that work the hardest to fix the system get quickly removed from the system. You know the list.

The author uses the term "elite". To the Right this means the "intellectual elite" while to the Left it means the "financial or political elite." I wish we would be more clear when using the term "elite".

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
6. And none dare call it treason in the media
Sun Apr 1, 2012, 12:50 PM
Apr 2012

But the author is right...it is treason against the basic principles of fairness and justice the constitution was founded on.
K&R

ProfessionalLeftist

(4,982 posts)
7. Basically, they're trying to take "We the People" out of American gov't
Sun Apr 1, 2012, 01:09 PM
Apr 2012
"That what, the something that is under attack, is sometimes called The Commons. I'm using the term here in a somewhat broader sense than its more usual economic understanding of referring to shared resources; rather, I'm thinking of a philosophical Commons, a social Commons, of the idea of a public sphere wherein all can participate, all have a stake, all have a part - and all have some responsibility. That space of socially shared and mutual duty, of what is or at least by rights should be equally available to all.

It's true that that sense of The Commons has always been under attack from the elites of our society; indeed, that is likely true of the elites of any society, who tend to care neither for the idea of all having a stake nor for the idea of they themselves having responsibilities to others other than those self-imposed ones of noblesse oblige, the true purpose of which is to demonstrate that elite's superiority. But the intensity and range of the attack we are seeing now is nearly if not totally unprecedented here.

The on-going, decades-long, and largely successful campaign to turn "government" and "taxes" into words to be spat out with unrestrained contempt is being broadened into an attack on the very concept of a public, that is, a whole-community, economic sphere. Put another way, what is being rejected is the very idea, the very root idea, of an economic Commons where there exists, at least philosophically, at least hypothetically, a notion that society as a whole and every member therein is required to have some measure of concern to see to it not only that none are left utterly destitute but that none may be bereft of the means to improve their economic condition.

Just consider as a simple example to illustrate the point: How long ago was it that someone dismissing public school teachers as just overpaid part-timers whose workday ends at 2pm and who are just ripping off taxpayers would have been greeted with hoots of derision? But now such deliberately demonizing denunciations are common currency even as teacher tenure is under attack in five states and laws to allow for, in effect, the privatization of public schools have been filed in eleven. That latter fact in particular reveals what is important here, the true underlying objection here, the unspoken desire here: The problem for those making the attacks lies not in the word "school" or the word "teachers" but in the word "public." The problem lies in the fact that it is done through government, that it's nature is that of a whole-community undertaking.

It's hard to underestimate the importance, the potential impact, of this broadened target yet at the same time it's hard to make crystal clear what the change is. This is perhaps the best I can do right now: This goes beyond the idea of "limited" or "small" government, beyond the notion of arguing if government involvement in this or that is a good thing or not, beyond even arguing if government properly should be involved in this or that, to being an attack on the very legitimacy of the idea of government as existing to serve the commonweal, the very legitimacy of the idea of a government "of, by, and for the people," the very legitimacy of the concept of government as an instrument of "We the People." Indeed, on the very concept of "We the People" itself.

It is the farthest reaches of libertarian daydreaming, souped up and mainstreamed by the powerful voices that stand to gain while simultaneously stripped of the comforting classic libertarian fantasy that voluntary private charity will deal with all the have-nots, stripped of it because even that implies some sort of social responsibility on the part of the haves - and it is that concept of responsibility that is being denied."

socialindependocrat

(1,372 posts)
8. Great job! Also, the return to 16 hr workdays
Sun Apr 1, 2012, 02:35 PM
Apr 2012

I have never uderstood how we got people to work 8 hr days only to have someone come out and declair some employees "exempt" from overtime pay.

Now we have people working 12-14 hour days and not getting paid for it. What's the difference.

As I said to my manager once, I come in at 6:30 a.m. and I leave at 9:30 p.m. and I can't get to the last job you assigned me. He looked at me and said, "It still needs to be done." -as he walked out the door to see his child perform in a school play.

How do we stabilize our progress and make it harder to tear down?

Again, very nice piece!

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