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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 08:56 PM Mar 2012

Starbucks strawberry Frappuccino dyed with crushed insects

By Sarah Laskow

Here’s a Starbucks order to try out: a Strawberries & Creme Frappuccino with soy milk and a shot of crushed parasitic insects.

Actually, you don’t need to order the bugs — they come standard with the drink, in the form of the red dye used to give the frap that special strawberry color.

Yes, the insects are crushed, and yes, they are a commonly used natural food dye. Enjoyed a strawberry PopTart lately? Yeah, those use crushed critters for coloring, too.

So you may have already eaten your peck of bugs, and besides, insects are nutritious. Still, there’s obviously a bit of an “ew” factor here. It’s one thing to eat bugs knowingly, but when a gigantic corporation sticks them into a sugar bomb without asking, I think one is entitled to feel at least as miffed as when one’s parents snuck broccoli into a perfectly good Kraft macaroni-and-cheese dinner. There are some health impacts, too, for the factory workers who produce the dye.

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Starbucks strawberry Frappuccino dyed with crushed insects (Original Post) n2doc Mar 2012 OP
Extra protein! backscatter712 Mar 2012 #1
They've been doing this for - well, centuries. enlightenment Mar 2012 #2
Sliced bread contains fungus farts. n/t Ian David Mar 2012 #5
*Shock* enlightenment Mar 2012 #12
YEAST farts. kestrel91316 Apr 2012 #36
Yeast is a fungus. n/t Ian David Apr 2012 #45
I don't need a lecture on yeast and fungi, lol. I spent an kestrel91316 Apr 2012 #46
Can I use the same cream on my balls that I use on my feet? n/t Ian David Apr 2012 #47
Follow all label directions and consult your physician (I know, that wasn't the answer you kestrel91316 Apr 2012 #49
Fabric softener? Really? Ian David Apr 2012 #50
Fabric softener impedes water absorption by your terry towels. You DO want to get kestrel91316 Apr 2012 #51
That's why I sit naked in front of the computer for an hour after I shower. n/t Ian David Apr 2012 #52
Well that might be why you need that cream. Try drying off. kestrel91316 Apr 2012 #55
I guess it's the cochineal insect, but the article didnt say. Ilsa Mar 2012 #3
Exactly. BumRushDaShow Mar 2012 #6
Yep, bat shit is used in mascara. n/t RebelOne Mar 2012 #10
Whale vomit is used in perfume. n/t Ian David Mar 2012 #13
It is called Ambergris. n/t RebelOne Mar 2012 #21
Everyday one trivia la la la Ian David Mar 2012 #22
Actually, it's the DNA of aborted fetuses jmowreader Mar 2012 #26
It's not the WHOLE insect. Just the SHELL. And lots of things are dyed that way. Ian David Mar 2012 #4
LOL no kidding. laundry_queen Apr 2012 #53
So? Cochineal coloring has been used in foods forever. MineralMan Mar 2012 #7
The top pic is a June Beetle (Coleoptera) Lone_Star_Dem Mar 2012 #25
wow, cochineal farming. i didn't know that. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #40
I used to eat fried termites as a kid Dokkie Mar 2012 #8
They say they're in M and M's too. craigmatic Mar 2012 #9
Once again someone dissesw broccoli. Tanelorn Mar 2012 #11
Broccoli comes right out of the dirt! jberryhill Mar 2012 #16
It's funny.. Texasgal Mar 2012 #14
So? jberryhill Mar 2012 #15
If you eat leafy greens, broccoli Alenne Mar 2012 #17
I read once that peanut butter and grains have the highest percentage of insect fragments... Lone_Star_Dem Mar 2012 #28
It's either that or artificial color Nikia Mar 2012 #18
there are other natural red food colorings Mosby Apr 2012 #54
Mascara is made from guano (bat shit). n/t RebelOne Mar 2012 #19
... tammywammy Mar 2012 #31
Historically bugs have been eaten by people in many cultures johnd83 Mar 2012 #20
Send the author to a working industrial farm nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #23
wait until they find out d_r Mar 2012 #24
Good I say! Lone_Star_Dem Mar 2012 #27
"There are two kinds of people, those the KNOWINGLY eat bugs........." slampoet Mar 2012 #29
Invertabrates aren't animals? Huh??? Odin2005 Mar 2012 #33
insects aren't animals. they're insects. hence their own name ;) dionysus Apr 2012 #39
Basic Biology FAIL!!! Odin2005 Apr 2012 #42
you win. i admit i don't remember HS biology 17 years after the last class i took dionysus Apr 2012 #43
Most of the world's population eat bugs Major Nikon Mar 2012 #30
They used to get purple dye from snails. Odin2005 Mar 2012 #32
It's cochineal, right? ljm2002 Mar 2012 #34
I'm sorry I read this - would emilyg Apr 2012 #35
Willful ignorance never solves anything. n/t PavePusher Apr 2012 #56
Same with anything dyed red, including clothing. knitter4democracy Apr 2012 #37
Motor cyclists eat bugs all the time. Unless they ride a ricer. Monk06 Apr 2012 #38
no, my windshield eats thm bart95 Apr 2012 #41
Well windshields are cool on full dressers. Especially old Electraglides. Monk06 Apr 2012 #44
Thanks to all the info in this OP and the replies, I ought to be dropping a few unneeded pounds. lib_wit_it Apr 2012 #48

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
1. Extra protein!
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 08:58 PM
Mar 2012

There's an eww factor, but this doesn't really strike me as particularly harmful - human digestive systems are evolved to eat insects.

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
2. They've been doing this for - well, centuries.
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 09:03 PM
Mar 2012

I love it when somebody learns something new to them and then thinks they've discovered the secret to sliced bread.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
46. I don't need a lecture on yeast and fungi, lol. I spent an
Sun Apr 1, 2012, 01:28 PM
Apr 2012

entire semester in undergrad getting one of my professors' laboratories in order and getting teaching cultures set up - for a graduate level mycology course. I am intimately familiar with vast varieties of both yeast and fungi. They are closely related, but in lab parlance are not called the same thing. Yeast are not referred to as fungi - they are called yeast.

While they are in the Kingdom Fungi, it is much too general a term to be useful when speaking of them. Yeast are only 1% of the fungal kingdom, and they are unicellular rather than multicellular. When we speak of fungi we are referring to the multicellular kind with mycelia and spores.

There is a weird and dangerous yeast called Cryptococcus neoformans which has both yeast and filamentous fungal forms, and for some bizarre reason now they have decided to give the filamentous form a different genus and species name even though it is the same organism. The filamentous form is too dangerous to work with in the lab so it has to be kept moist, and I had considerable training in how to accomplish that.

Anything else you'd like to know about these critters?

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
49. Follow all label directions and consult your physician (I know, that wasn't the answer you
Sun Apr 1, 2012, 05:43 PM
Apr 2012

were hoping for, lol).

Invest in more absorbent towels and stop using fabric softener on them!!

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
51. Fabric softener impedes water absorption by your terry towels. You DO want to get
Sun Apr 1, 2012, 06:13 PM
Apr 2012

campletely dry, right?

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
3. I guess it's the cochineal insect, but the article didnt say.
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 09:04 PM
Mar 2012

Artificial coloring is so unnecessary.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
26. Actually, it's the DNA of aborted fetuses
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 10:17 PM
Mar 2012

The chemical is "guanine," which is one of the four nucleobases in DNA. It makes your eyelashes all sparkly and shit.

They actually get the guanine used in makeup from fish scales, but let's start this internet meme that mascara has "dead babies" in it and see what happens...

Ian David

(69,059 posts)
4. It's not the WHOLE insect. Just the SHELL. And lots of things are dyed that way.
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 09:06 PM
Mar 2012

But it's NATURAL.

And EVERYTHING that's natural is also safe, right?

In any case, we drink barley that's been partially digested by fungus, modified mucus secretions from cows, we eat bee vomit and microscopic LIVE animals suspended in partially digested modified cow mucous secretions... and we're going to be squeamish about drinking beetle shell extract?

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
53. LOL no kidding.
Sun Apr 1, 2012, 06:18 PM
Apr 2012

And I hate bugs. I mean HATE. And fear. Not rational but there it is. Yet this doesn't bother me as much as the microscopic images of mites all over human skin. At least these beatles are dead. And they're probably better for you than the chemical crap normally used to colour sugary drinks.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
7. So? Cochineal coloring has been used in foods forever.
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 09:08 PM
Mar 2012

If you're a strict vegan, just order something that isn't red or pink. Problem solved.

Shh...don't tell anyone, but the cochineal beetle is not endangered in any way. In fact, they're raised by the millions to make this dye.

Here's the little bugger:



And here's a bunch of them, being raised on cactus in Mexico:



Lone_Star_Dem

(28,158 posts)
25. The top pic is a June Beetle (Coleoptera)
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 10:16 PM
Mar 2012

Cochineal are a soft bodied sap sucking insect. The ones the dye are made from are the females and they're wingless. They just sit on my cactus making white waxy fuzz, and sucking them dry. Until I see them there, that is. Then I scrape them off with lots of long twigs. Doing this always creates a garish mess resembling a B horror flick. Nasty, but a necessary process to keep my ornamental prickly pears alive.

Tanelorn

(359 posts)
11. Once again someone dissesw broccoli.
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 09:19 PM
Mar 2012

Wasn't the forced eating of broccoli used as a negative by a SC judge in the Affordable Health Care debate.

Sorry broccoli farmers. Thanks for your work in providing a nutritious vegetable

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
15. So?
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 09:37 PM
Mar 2012

I have to believe people are so out of touch with perfectly normal stuff that reality is just too much for them to handle.

The use of certain insect shells for pigments is ANCIENT. People have been using insec shells for colorings as long as there has been civilization itself.

Alenne

(1,931 posts)
17. If you eat leafy greens, broccoli
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 09:48 PM
Mar 2012

Or a lot of other fruits and vegetables, you have probably eaten an insect or two. What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger.

Lone_Star_Dem

(28,158 posts)
28. I read once that peanut butter and grains have the highest percentage of insect fragments...
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 10:25 PM
Mar 2012

of the commonly eaten foods in America. This was years ago, so I'm not sure if that's still true.

johnd83

(593 posts)
20. Historically bugs have been eaten by people in many cultures
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 09:56 PM
Mar 2012

The fact we don't eat them now doesn't make them somehow poisonous or unhealthy. In many ways our homogenous western diet is bad for us. It doesn't provide the range of nutrients that may come from things like bugs.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
23. Send the author to a working industrial farm
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 09:58 PM
Mar 2012

I guarantee a vegan at the end. Not that vegans are bad. Heck these days I am eating far less meat than I used to...but serious. This strikes me of out f touch with reality.

By the way no thanks. Not due to insects. Don't need 500 or so empty calories.

d_r

(6,907 posts)
24. wait until they find out
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 09:59 PM
Mar 2012

about peanut butter.

Oh and I heard there bits of dead bird in chicken nuggets.

Lone_Star_Dem

(28,158 posts)
27. Good I say!
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 10:19 PM
Mar 2012

The more of those evil sap sucking vermin are used for dye, the fewer there will be to suck my cactus dry!

Yeah, I know they're farmed for the dye, but at least it's something I can threaten the vermin with.

slampoet

(5,032 posts)
29. "There are two kinds of people, those the KNOWINGLY eat bugs........."
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 10:26 PM
Mar 2012

"and those that don't know they eat bugs."


- A friend of mine who promotes Entomophage cooking.


ANYONE who prefers organic produce is eating more bugs than those that don't. Also a lot of the so called vegetarian supplements are derived from crushed insects. Frankly i don't know why Yogurt is considered vegetarian and insects are not. Insects aren't animals, they are invertebrates. But the are tons of people out there who think fish are okay but bugs aren't.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
30. Most of the world's population eat bugs
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 11:17 PM
Mar 2012

Humans became humans while eating bugs. The ancient Romans and Greeks happily ate bugs. The Old Testament talks about eating bugs. It's pretty safe to say that the vast majority of humans ate bugs throughout the history of humanity. If humans hadn't eaten bugs there probably would be no humans, and if we had not continued to eat bugs we certainly wouldn't be where we are today.

Insects are far more sustainable than just about any other food source. They convert biomass to protein much more efficiently. The same amount of feed will produce about 5 times more insects than beef, by weight, yet insects contain about 3 times more protein and far less fat.

The aversion to eating bugs is just a cultural thing, and not even a smart cultural thing at that.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
34. It's cochineal, right?
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 11:32 PM
Mar 2012

This has been a traditional red dye for many centuries in Central and South America. I used to use it as a natural dye for wool. It produces a wonderful red color, more towards the blue than the yellow, which is unusual for natural red dyes. It seems to me it would be preferable to an artificial chemical dye. But that's just me.

knitter4democracy

(14,350 posts)
37. Same with anything dyed red, including clothing.
Sun Apr 1, 2012, 12:09 AM
Apr 2012

Cochineal is the oldest form of a true red dye (madder is close but not as vibrant), and it's been used for centuries now. In all reality, natural dyes (for food or for fabrics) are all kind of icky if you learn the process. It's about creating a chemical change, and the ways we have to do that aren't always pleasant.

The only people who need to worry about it are vegans, I suppose.

 

bart95

(488 posts)
41. no, my windshield eats thm
Sun Apr 1, 2012, 01:05 AM
Apr 2012

used to think they didnt look cool

but now i think they're he only way to go

lib_wit_it

(2,222 posts)
48. Thanks to all the info in this OP and the replies, I ought to be dropping a few unneeded pounds.
Sun Apr 1, 2012, 04:34 PM
Apr 2012

I know it's a ridiculous, purely cultural bias, but the thought of eating bugs just turns my stomach. Then again, any time I read about what's in hot dogs, I swear them off and that holds for a few days, at least.

Being from Maryland, my family and I have always enjoyed hard-shell crab feasts. Once, at a family gathering, a friend of the family stopped by and commented how disgusting a scene we presented sitting around a picnic table strewn with the poor steamed-to-death creatures themselves and the ravaged remains of the ones we'd already picked clean.

Yeah, I know. Just writing that make me nauseated. Makes me think I'll never eat them again.

But I will.

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