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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Fri May 23, 2014, 06:01 AM May 2014

6 States Where Non-Wealthy Rural White People Actually Vote In Their Economic Interest

http://www.alternet.org/economy/6-states-where-non-wealthy-rural-white-people-actually-vote-their-economic-interest-instead



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1. Vermont

If any New England state stands out as the poster child for being rural, predominantly white and generally liberal/progressive, it is Vermont—which is every bit as rural as any state in the Deep South yet has very different politics from Mississippi, Louisiana or Alabama. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, Vermont is the least populous state in New England—its largest city, Burlington, has a population of just over 42,000—and is roughly 95% white. Yet Vermont is where Sen. Bernie Sanders, who proudly describes himself as a “socialist” and makes no bones about his left-of-center politics, was reelected with 71% of the vote in 2012. Sanders, an independent, often votes with Democrats in the U.S. Senate, but his politics are closer to the Green Party and some of the left-wing parties of Western Europe. In polling conducted by Public Policy Polling (PPP) in 2011, Sanders had an approval rating of 67% among Vermont residents.

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2. Oregon

Republicans love to point out that Baltimore, Detroit, Camden, NJ and other cities run by Democrats have a lot of poverty, yet they fail to mention that some of the most upscale, hyper-gentrified places in the U.S.—from New York City to San Francisco to Seattle to Santa Monica, California—are also dominated by Democrats. Republicans are having a hard time with both the urban poor and urban college-educated professionals, which is why the GOP needs rural working-class whites so desperately. And when a state has as many rural white liberals as Oregon, it’s never good news for the GOP.

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3. Washington

Washington’s political and economic landscape is quite comparable to Oregon’s. Seattle epitomizes the ultra-gentrified side of Democratic America—the city is liberal, dominated by Democrats, full of college-educated tech workers and expensive as hell. But there’s much more to Washington State than Seattle, and while Washington has its conservative streak (the late Jim West, Spokane’s far-right Republican mayor from 2003-2005, was a rapid proponent of anti-gay legislation), there are many rural whites in Washington who lean liberal or at least centrist Democrat, especially in the western part of the state. And between Seattle on one hand and all the small towns and rural areas in western Washington that lean liberal, the state has become problematic for the GOP. Even when Democrat Michael Dukakis lost to Bush, Sr. in Vermont and California in 1988, he carried Washington State.

4. Minnesota

Political generalizations can be problematic because for every rule, there are major exceptions. Even though Minnesota is considered a generally liberal state, it is also where Republican wingnut and Tea Party favorite Michelle Bachmann has been serving in the U.S. House of Representatives since 2007. However, Minnesota also has a long tradition of rural liberalism, which some political commentators have attributed to its Scandinavian heritage. Minnesota was 85% white in 2010 (according to the U.S. Census Bureau), and apart from urban areas like Minneapolis/St. Paul and Duluth, it is sparsely populated. However, a Republican hasn’t carried Minnesota in a presidential race since Nixon’s landslide reelection in 1972 (even Ronald Reagan lost in Minnesota in 1980 and 1984), and Green Party presidential candidate Ralph Nader won 5% of the vote in Minnesota in 2000.
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6 States Where Non-Wealthy Rural White People Actually Vote In Their Economic Interest (Original Post) xchrom May 2014 OP
I need to look up Oregon and see what the climate TBF May 2014 #1
From Oregon Old Codger May 2014 #3
It might work for us - TBF May 2014 #4
We were drooling over Florence Oregon...until SoCalDem May 2014 #5
That is so nice - TBF May 2014 #13
Depending on what you want Old Codger May 2014 #14
It is moist -- beautiful, green, but moist -- west of the Cascades. Arugula Latte May 2014 #10
and...... Leme May 2014 #2
things like clean environment JI7 May 2014 #6
I'm not sure Washington should be on that list... Wounded Bear May 2014 #7
Northern New England and the Pacific Northwest. Gormy Cuss May 2014 #8
brisk maritime air and clear crisp thinking Supersedeas May 2014 #12
or close relationship with Canada mebbe. n/t Gormy Cuss May 2014 #18
Settlement patterns link New England, the upper Midwest, and the Pacific Northwest starroute May 2014 #9
Drive I-5 through the Willamette Valley close to an election central scrutinizer May 2014 #11
BUT Old Codger May 2014 #15
My point was in reference to the headline central scrutinizer May 2014 #16
The least diverse states tend to have the most generous social welfare programs. AngryAmish May 2014 #17

TBF

(32,071 posts)
1. I need to look up Oregon and see what the climate
Fri May 23, 2014, 07:48 AM
May 2014

is like there. It keeps coming up as the dream place to live when I take online quizzes.

A coastal state with progressive people - that would be a lot better than Texas.

 

Old Codger

(4,205 posts)
3. From Oregon
Fri May 23, 2014, 09:14 AM
May 2014

Depending on what you do for a living there are many very nice areas of Oregon... I live in southern part near Grants Pass, weather is pretty decent with mostly little really cold and snow..

http://www.greatplacestoretire.com/compare-cities-by-state.php?state=OR

TBF

(32,071 posts)
4. It might work for us -
Fri May 23, 2014, 10:31 AM
May 2014

we're probably in Houston until hubby retires, but that's at 65 with his firm so I've been researching places like Oregon and also Arizona or New Mexico. We should be retiring as the youngest child finishes college so we'll see where they end up as well. I just want relatively warm, coastal, and would love a more progressive area - considering Mexico as well.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
5. We were drooling over Florence Oregon...until
Fri May 23, 2014, 11:02 AM
May 2014

our son and his girlfriend broke up, so now we are moving to Washington state (where they all live)..

This is the home we were looking to buy..
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/48468794_zpid/

I am so afraid of plunking down our life savings and THEN finding out he could not bring our grand baby across a state line to see us..

 

Old Codger

(4,205 posts)
14. Depending on what you want
Fri May 23, 2014, 03:52 PM
May 2014

I retired to Oregon in 1992, we bought a nice little place in a small valley area along the I-5 corridor, we are about a half mile off the highway somewhat mountainous but very little snow and pretty temperate weather most of the year. Rainfall of about 35 inches or so a year warm summer days nicely cooling at night, great sleeping no hot nights...No sales tax in Oregon by the way.. area I am in has very reasonable property taxes too..

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
10. It is moist -- beautiful, green, but moist -- west of the Cascades.
Fri May 23, 2014, 12:17 PM
May 2014

I don't do well in desert climates, so I mostly like the weather (although there are weeks when you think you'll never see the sun again in your life). East of the Cascades you get a variety of climates. If you don't mind snowy winters you could check out the Bend area in central Oregon -- it is GORGEOUS and quite sunny for much of the year. The scenery is incredibly varied (snowy peaks, forests, high scrubby desert, volcanic black rock, ginormous rivers, several alpine lakes) and the recreational opportunities are great. Bend is a pretty cute town. If you could deal with being a bit isolated form a major metropolitan area it might be a good fit.





JI7

(89,254 posts)
6. things like clean environment
Fri May 23, 2014, 11:06 AM
May 2014

Are big issues in those states.

While in the conservative states it's more things like god and guns.

Wounded Bear

(58,670 posts)
7. I'm not sure Washington should be on that list...
Fri May 23, 2014, 11:08 AM
May 2014

Maybe Western Washington farmers are more "liberal" (there are many farmer's markets, co-ops, and other "socialistic" activities in play), but Eastern Washington tends to deep red on many issues.

We lack an income tax, and just recently defeated a referendum to enact one, even though it exempted all incomes under $1 million/year.

Seattle and King County keep Washington blue on the national stage, but we have our share of RWNJs. And like the rest of the nation, they're primarily in the rural counties.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
8. Northern New England and the Pacific Northwest.
Fri May 23, 2014, 11:14 AM
May 2014

Is it something about living in the northern corners of the lower 48?

starroute

(12,977 posts)
9. Settlement patterns link New England, the upper Midwest, and the Pacific Northwest
Fri May 23, 2014, 12:05 PM
May 2014

The New England tradition of self-governing town meetings and the original Puritan settlers' desire for each person to own just enough land to be self-sufficient set the tone that carried over as their descendents moved west.

In contrast, both the Mid-Atlantic and the South began with wealthy landowners. In New Amsterdam it was the patroons and their non-landowning tenants. In the South, the underclass consisted mainly of indentured servants -- reinforced in the Appalachians by a large influx of Scots-Irish who were more raucous but brought with them a feudal mentality of deference to local leaders. And that pattern (plus the additional complication of slavery) was also carried westward, especially to Texas.

So Vermont, Minnesota, and Oregon might set a useful example for other largely rural states, but there are powerful cultural barriers in the way of that example being adopted.

central scrutinizer

(11,652 posts)
11. Drive I-5 through the Willamette Valley close to an election
Fri May 23, 2014, 12:24 PM
May 2014

and you will see nothing but giant signs promoting every right-wing nutjob and anti-tax or anti-union ballot measure. One farm after another - no signs for any Democratic candidates.

 

Old Codger

(4,205 posts)
15. BUT
Fri May 23, 2014, 03:57 PM
May 2014

A Democrat is Governor and both senators also....so not as red as you might be led to believe by that .. Rural red, Urban Blue.

central scrutinizer

(11,652 posts)
16. My point was in reference to the headline
Fri May 23, 2014, 04:05 PM
May 2014

which referred to RURAL voters and the east side of the Cascades is quite rural and quite red.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
17. The least diverse states tend to have the most generous social welfare programs.
Fri May 23, 2014, 04:36 PM
May 2014

When a population is not diverse there are higher levels of social trust.

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