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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPorn in the USA is a "major public health crisis?" For real?
On the eve of a two-day conference on sexual exploitation, they suggested that porn be tackled in the same manner as teenage smoking or drunk driving.
"There's an untreated pandemic of harm from pornography," said Dawn Hawkins, executive director of Morality in Media, which has campaigned against pornography since 1962.
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Participants include health professionals, social workers, academics, feminists, faith leaders, campaigners against human trafficking and former members of the multibillion-dollar adult entertainment industry.
"This is a business with considerable political clout," said Gail Dines, a sociology and women's studies professor at Wheelock College in Boston and author of Pornland: How Porn Has Hijacked Our Sexuality.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10835994/Porn-in-US-a-public-health-crisis.html
Be careful everyone! If you have an issue of Playboy in your house or visit a porn site, it might make you want to rape women!
Archae
(46,344 posts)Too many guys getting one-handed exercise?
This is Ed Meese 2.0.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)Sprained wrists?
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Morality laws/regulations are a waste of time. Misclassifying porn as a public health concern, mental disorder, or whatever else the kooky anti-porn crowd dreams up, is just a cloak to enforce morality through the government.
opiate69
(10,129 posts)YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)Or its negative effects on men AND women.
I guess that's the price you pay for libertarianism.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)....with censorship freaks, who also tell us mainstream Hollywood is loaded with drug addicts and perverts.
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LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Their goal is to regulate the media so that it conforms to the laws of the Christian bible.
These are the same folks who would outlaw abortion and contraception. They give not one fuck about women.
Blue_Adept
(6,400 posts)And it can be subjective, which is the problem.
I've already been told in past threads here on this subject that my spanking my significant other is violence towards women.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)Porn of actual, real rape is already illegal. Porn of children and animals is illegal. Human trafficking is illegal. The FBI has an entire division set up to investigate that stuff.
What porn is out there that is legally available, that perpetuates violence against women?
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genwah
(574 posts)NutmegYankee
(16,201 posts)It's going to be a long week.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #7)
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R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Last edited Sun May 18, 2014, 08:14 PM - Edit history (1)
observation that you mention?
I'm not sure how big the porn industry is, but I wonder who is receiving political contributions from the industry. It would make for an interesting political debate.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)I wonder why you didn't choose these:
He doubted that Miriam Weeks a 19-year-old women's studies student at elite Duke University who caused a national stir recently when she came out as moonlighting Internet porn star Belle Knox feels as "empowered" as she has claimed.
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Mary Anne Layden of the University of Pennsylvania, who specialises in sexual trauma, said pornography has been a factor in every case of sexual violence that she has treated as a psychotherapist.
"The earlier males are exposed to pornography, the more likely they are to engage in non-consensual sex and for females, the more pornography they use, the more likely they are to be victims of non-consensual sex," she said.
Just kidding, of course. I know exactly why you chose the ones you did.
TRIGGER WARNING FOR THE REST OF THIS POST
For example, porn defenders have been delighted to cite the example of the now infamous Duke University porn star Belle Knox (now revealed to be the 18-year-old Miriam Weeks), who talked publicly about how starring in porn films is helping her pay her way through university. Being in porn, she says, is freeing, it is empowering, it is wonderful, it is how the world should be.
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But former pornstar Shelley Lubben of the Pink Cross Foundation has now posted a graphic video showing a male pornographic actor repeatedly choking, slapping, shaking, and verbally abusing Weeks
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A muscular actor then grabs her around the throat as she fights to loosen his grip around her larynx. After learning she describes herself as a feminist, the man slaps her numerous times, telling her she is worthless.
As a trail of moisture trickles from her eyes down her haggard face, he says, Feminism 101 right here, before continuing his assault.
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http://www.antipornography.org/yes-porn-does-trivialize-rape.html
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)2 or 3 paragraphs get used up just getting a brief intro what the article is about and why its being written.
There isn't any left to post opinions that are put near the bottom of the article.
The link is posted so people can go read the article for themselves.
Also consider the fact that the particular quotes you posted I consider to be complete bullshit. It's like saying video games lead to violence because all violent killers play violent video games. Never mind the other 99% that play those games with no ill-effects in their lives.
Correlation does not equal causation.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Mary Anne Layden is one of the anti-porn darlings here on DU.
Here's one of her brilliant quotes:
"The more pornography women use, the more likely they are to be victims of non-consensual sex"
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2010/07/21/anti-porn-scholar-watching-porn-get-women-raped/
Here she is in a video talking about a well debunked study of rats "pleasuring themselves to death"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/111411583
You can't make shit up this funny.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)davidn3600
(6,342 posts)And it's embarrassing that a so-called "psychotherapist" doesn't understand that correlation doesn't equal causation....something you learn as an undergrad.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Layden teamed up with Judith Reisman of "erotoxins" fame on the all-batshit-crazy DC tour sponsored by crème de la dumb Sam Brownback (R-Kansas) which is where the video originated. These people literately make up their bullshit as they go. Unsurprisingly, you generally find Reisman and Layden sponsored by the "cure the gay" crowd which is generally where they get their money to peddle their half-baked fringe nut ideas.
YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)Yes, society and culture enables and encourages violence against women. I'm glad you seem to get this.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)People have been trying to make the "porn causes rape" argument for at least the past 50 years or so. Meanwhile the reality that the porn graph is going one direction while the violence against women graph is going the complete opposite direction just doesn't really seem relevant for some odd reason. Let alone there's pretty much zero data that supports the "hypothesis" and some that actually suggests it works the exact other way.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)doesn't really seem as overbroad as her work is being portrayed. It notes that 'violent' pornography is linked to violence against women, not that pornography in general is. And that would seem like a reasonable correlation. People (mostly men) who have violent and sexual thoughts about women are going to be drawn to violent pornography just as they're drawn to committing violent acts against women. I didn't read far enough to note if she claims causation, but there certainly wouldn't be anything surprising about correlation.
FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)But looking back on my days of playing Doom, Duke Nukem, and the like left me easily frustrated and agitated. As well, I have noticed that other game players were on edge while "in the zone" as well.
IMHO, to say that they have NO effect on your mood is incorrect.
As far as images of a woman being raped, choked, or otherwise harmed and humiliated? If someone finds that sexy, and they seek it out, they have some serious issues.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)It's also fair to say someone who seeks out that kind of material probably has to pay cash up front to get their sexytime with another warm body. But that's still a long way from any connection between cause and effect, especially when all violence sexual or otherwise has gone down over the same period when this material has proliferated widely.
seaglass
(8,173 posts)redqueen
(115,103 posts)So yeah, of course they have no comment on it. Cause they think it's just fine.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)When you say violence, what do you mean? Do you mean all pornography is violence against women? Do you mean BDSM porn? Do you mean porn that depicts rape?
What about art? If someone paints a picture of a man and a woman naked rubbing against each other...does this count as violence against women in your kingdom?
Is the act of sex itself considered violence?
I mean, seriously....give me a break. If 2 or more people are having sex and everyone is consenting adults...I dont have a problem with it. Even if they put it on the internet... I don't care. And it's none of our fucking business. And certainly isn't the government's business.
BainsBane
(53,056 posts)There is a great deal of violence depicted in porn and that violence is perpetrated against the actors involved in the production. A painting is different because no one is hurt in its creation. That equivalent of that in porn would be animation.
The consenting adults thing has been raised repeatedly. Just on the most basic level of understanding consent, some porn is made with consenting adults and some is made with enslaved women and children. To assume consent exists is mistaken. That depends on the type and origin of the porn you are consuming.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)the few people who actually care about the women being brutalized in this industry, than the actual women being brutalized.
If that doesn't say it all I don't know what does.
BainsBane
(53,056 posts)are summarily rejected when it comes to the more important matter of their own capitalist consumption.
nt
Kurska
(5,739 posts)It reminds me of how people talk of "patients rights" when they are talking about arbitrary regulations against abortion clinics intended to drive them out of business. It is limiting choices cloaked as a concern for the rights of participants.
BainsBane
(53,056 posts)Last edited Sun May 18, 2014, 10:54 PM - Edit history (1)
You are really enjoying this conversation you are having with yourself that has no relation whatsoever to me, so I won't interrupt. Carry on. No need to concern yourself with me since you obviously can't be bothered to read a single sentence I write.
Kurska
(5,739 posts)"The only way you could possibly not agree with what I'm saying is if you aren't reading it and understanding it properly."
Could it be you're just not as persuasive as you think you are? Nah, it is my fault for not bowing to your opinion.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)It's like asking someone how do they know the shirt on their back wasn't made by a 12 yr old chained to a sewing machine and then claiming everyone who wears clothes just doesn't give a shit about the children.
It completely ignores the reality that there's no shortage of people willing to do what comes naturally on the cheap which kinda makes the idea of importing an unwilling supply of labor to do the same work along with all the legal risks that come with it more than just a bit illogical.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)LOL....seriously....you wanna cuddle up with this group and wring your hands that it's about religion?
They are right-wing assholes....and part of your problem with DU is that we don't like right wing assholes PERIOD, and sometimes, you do.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)This is the people they are climbing in bed with:
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/peters-offers-clarification
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)They're big fans of Ricky Santorum too. But again, the enemy of my enemy is my friend for now or whatever. Let's ignore how said religion and morality is used to strip women of their other rights.
R B Garr
(16,975 posts)Post 14 answered Post 13, as is easy enough to follow, but you chose this ridiculous sidebar that has nothing to do with what was being discussed in Post 14 and 13. "What about art?" WTF. I mean...seriously.
seaglass
(8,173 posts)was raped in HS, suffered from depression and was a cutter. She described her first consensual porn experience (with Facial Abuse - one of the worst):
While Weeks maintains that everything that happened at the shoot was consensual, it was not the best experience. "They try to figure out what makes you tick and fuck with you. I remember getting naked, and the guy said, 'You have cuts on your legs. You're a cutter.' He could tell I had written the word 'fat' in my thigh, so he started calling me fat." Once they called "action," she was pushed to the ground and slapped. "And I said, 'Stop, stop, stop. No, no.' And then they stopped, and they were like, 'We have to keep going.'
"And I was like, 'Just please don't hit me so hard.' But it went on like that, me getting hit, pushed, spit on. I was being told I was fat, that I was a terrible feminist, was going to fail all my classes, was stupid, dumb, a slut. But I got through it. You know how you kind of zone out sometimes? I just disassociated." It wasn't until she got back to Duke that she felt the weight of it all. "I remember just being a wreck, like, 'Oh, my God, what have I done? This is the most embarrassing thing ever. What if somebody finds it?'"
Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/the-blue-devil-in-miss-belle-knox-meet-duke-porn-star-miriam-weeks-20140423#ixzz327lW3iwU
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Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)consensual my sweet ass.
there is not enough money in the world to make me go through that shit right there.
I am surprised that more of these women don't go all Liz Salamander on these men.
fuck that world and all that nastiness.
that is some heavy disgusting shit right there.
nilesobek
(1,423 posts)A few years ago I talked my wife into watching a porno. A few minutes into it my wife was saying, "That looks like it hurts." And, "she doesn't look like she's doing that voluntarily." Then, "Why doesn't she ever smile? Is that what you think is romantic?"
How can we know which women are being unlawfully compelled to participate? So yeah, porn sucks.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)....and I know why too.
BainsBane
(53,056 posts)I don't know about Redqueen, but your track record assuming you know what I think sucks.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)I promise though, I won't follow you around like an unhinged nut demanding it if you don't.
BainsBane
(53,056 posts)If it's an organization, I know nothing about it. If you are interested in my views on "morality in media" more generally, I'm not concerned--if by morality you mean sex, which is all most people who discuss these things seem to care about.
I do think the level of violence in television and film is troubling, but I am sadly now acculturated to it. Since I don't have children, I don't have to worry about its exposure on them. If I did have children, I would be very worried.
You can cast my feminism as prudery all you want. All that tells me is you haven't bothered to read or try to understand anything I have ever written.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)....groups of censors. Gotta know who you're climbing into bed with, ya know?
BainsBane
(53,056 posts)and another on the couch. No morality in media. When did I climb in bed with them? I have no memory of said liaison. Did they slip me a ruffie?
You do realize this isn't my OP, right? Carnack, you're tanking.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Not gonna work.
BainsBane
(53,056 posts)logical fallacy and create strawoman conceptions of what you want people to think rather than having to engage with the actual arguments of real human beings. The latter requires intellectual honesty, the willingness and capacity to critique a real argument, something I have yet to see you do with me. I'll just accept the fact you're not up to the task and move on.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)You couldn't let it go, because you know, like it or not, they're at least tangentially on your side.
But I'm glad you got your weekly quota in of calling me stupid, I know it's important to you.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,170 posts)And then, having said the words, she started to actually consider it. "I Googled 'how to be a porn star,' and all of these agencies popped up. And then there's this website called SexyJobs.com. It's like the Monster.com of porn." Weeks took a few naked selfies and submitted them, along with her height (five feet four), weight (95 pounds) and a short description ("'I'm a college girl with a naughty side' or something like that" . Within days, she got a call from a company called Facial Abuse that offered to fly her to New York for her first shoot, at a rate of $1,200 per scene. The night before leaving, Weeks says, "I was horny. I remember thinking, 'This is gonna be really hot.'"
While Weeks maintains that everything that happened at the shoot was consensual, it was not the best experience. "They try to figure out what makes you tick and fuck with you. I remember getting naked, and the guy said, 'You have cuts on your legs. You're a cutter.' He could tell I had written the word 'fat' in my thigh, so he started calling me fat." Once they called "action," she was pushed to the ground and slapped. "And I said, 'Stop, stop, stop. No, no.' And then they stopped, and they were like, 'We have to keep going.'
"And I was like, 'Just please don't hit me so hard.' But it went on like that, me getting hit, pushed, spit on. I was being told I was fat, that I was a terrible feminist, was going to fail all my classes, was stupid, dumb, a slut. But I got through it. You know how you kind of zone out sometimes? I just disassociated." It wasn't until she got back to Duke that she felt the weight of it all. "I remember just being a wreck, like, 'Oh, my God, what have I done? This is the most embarrassing thing ever. What if somebody finds it?'"
But still, she needed the money. To better protect herself, Weeks signed with Matrix Models, which booked her five scenes including the "hottest" threesome with James Deen during Thanksgiving vacation, flying her to L.A. She told her parents she was staying at school over break. She told her roommate that she was going to California realizing that someone should know where she was but didn't explain why. In fact, no one in her life had any idea she was doing porn especially not her parents, who thought she was still a virgin.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/the-blue-devil-in-miss-belle-knox-meet-duke-porn-star-miriam-weeks-20140423
I recommend one read the whole article. I'm not passing judgment one way but considering what college tuition costs these days coupled carrying a massive debt from student loans I'm not surprised that some students would turn to porn.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)She consented... under economic duress, which is probably the main reason most people get into sex-related work. I know there are some people who honestly enjoy their time in the industry, but I suspect a lot more of them treat it as a job, and one that can often be unpleasant, or even horrific, like the episode you quoted. A universal minimum wage would probably shrink the number of people going into sex work dramatically.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,170 posts)Nearly 40 years ago when I attended college in state tuition for a full time student (12 credits or more) at a community college was 83 dollars a quarter. These days it's $106.84 per credit maxing out at $1,492.32 for 18 credits.
Of course Duke University being a private institution has a hell of a lot higher tuition.
LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)I can't eat popcorn without it.
LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)rrneck
(17,671 posts)BainsBane
(53,056 posts)fiction over other speech.
FFS it's not fiction, unless you are talking about books rather than film.
/ˈfikSHən/
noun
noun: fiction
literature in the form of prose, especially short stories and novels, that describes imaginary events and people.
synonyms: novels, stories, (creative) writing, (prose) literature;
Dramatization
1: the action of dramatizing
2: a dramatized version (as of a novel)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screenplay
Screenplay
A screenplay or script is a written work by screenwriters for a film, video game, or television program. These screenplays can be original works or adaptations from existing pieces of writing. In them, the movement, actions, expression, and dialogues of the characters are also narrated.
And everything that happens in this guy's movies it totally real! They're all documentaries!
BainsBane
(53,056 posts)Okay, totally off topic. Have you heard about a really cool new site called Discussionist?
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)considers it 'cool'. Most of the comments on it I've seen to date consider it to be pretty much a honeypot for trolls. It certainly doesn't sou7nd like a place worth visiting based on most of the comments about it so far.
BainsBane
(53,056 posts)It has a collection of folks with a particular outlook on life that he might appreciate.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)I'm sometimes snark impaired.
Kurska
(5,739 posts)"If you like porn or don't think there is anything wrong with porn, you're not really a liberal."
Want me to go post a poll to see just how out of sync with this forum as a whole you are?
rrneck
(17,671 posts)Kurska
(5,739 posts)Right
BainsBane
(53,056 posts)and you still didn't understand it.
Kurska
(5,739 posts)BainsBane
(53,056 posts)I did not tell him his post was off topic. If that had been the case I would have sent an SOP alert. Rather, my response was off topic.
Kurska
(5,739 posts)Or possibly you're implying that his viewpoint is not liberal enough for DU, so he/she should go over to the new forum. Whereas, it seems to me the vast majority of DU is actually more similar to his/her viewpoint than yours.
Skittles
(153,185 posts)yes there is a lot of immorality in media but it's got nothing to do with porn
YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)..of sexual violence, repression, and inequality between men and women, rather than a cause in and of itself (though I can get behind the argument that it helps perpetuate negative stereotypes in the 21st century for both men and women, and encourages rape culture indirectly).
Also, there is a lot to be seriously concerned about regarding the lack of regulation in the industry.
My $0.02.
ismnotwasm
(41,999 posts)And and has seen a resurgence of STD's, including HIV-- don't know about major, but definitely not cool.
A lot of Modern porn is the most unerotic shit I've ever seen-- but that's a personal opinion.What really bugs me is the unapologetic racism and the purchasers enjoyment of sexual degradation of human beings.
And it's so fucking stupid looking.
YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,999 posts)Have walk along with popular opinion.
Behind the Aegis
(53,979 posts)I, admittedly, do not watch (real) lesbian porn, almost never watch straight porn, and rarely watch bisexual porn, as for gay porn...no comment. However, I will say there is an uptick in barebacking videos, but there are also many that appear to be bareback and are not. Most gay videos I have seen, or as been reported to me... ...promote the use of condoms and safer sex practices. In some of the more 'intense' videos, they almost always have disclaimers at the beginning, and a few studios do interviews with the actors after the shoot, which are included in the video. Some have even gone to the extent of making clear the difference between roleplay, rough sex, BDSM, and non-consensual sex.
I will agree much of the modern porn is not erotic, many don't even bother with even pretending to have a "storyline." I will also agree with the nasty racism which permeates much of the industry, especially in the titles. I will assume it is the same for heterosexual porn, but I don't know for sure.
There have been a few cases of HIV (none on set), but nothing in the way of a serious epidemic for the industry. That said, syphilis and chlamydia have made a HUGE resurgence in the gay porn actors community to the point where many are getting concerned. Though both are treatable, getting them over and over can cause all kinds of problems, including creating untreatable strains.
Not all studios are the same, of course, but I have met many a gay porn actor and a few directors, especially when I lived in New Orleans. Most have said the testing is constant and one of their biggest complaints is they have to always make directors aware of all sexual activity, which infringes on their personal lives.
lostincalifornia
(3,639 posts)lostincalifornia
(3,639 posts)Yavin4
(35,445 posts)OTOH, stay at home and perform sex acts on your personal webcam with your partner(s) is booming. No shady porn companies or directors or sets or even going to LA. Nope. Sit right at home, turn on your webcam, and make money.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Just like there are some shady porn companies, there are probably shady small webcam moguls.
The idea the porn industry is completely unregulated is major bullshit perpetrated by the censorship zealots.
Yavin4
(35,445 posts)The future of the industry is DIY porn.
Archae
(46,344 posts)There is "revenge porn" sites, I read about those once in a while where guys post nudies or videos to "get back" at ex-girlfriends and boyfriends.
There are also many free porn web sites. (Lots of ads on them, natch.)
But this whole organization in the OP is simply a bunch of bluenoses.
As for that college girl, she *CAN* find more reputable porn-making companies.
All she has to do is look.
One thing that is making a sort of "comeback," is "classic porn."
The old 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's porn movies, digitized and put onto porn sites.
At one site they have "The Devil In Miss Jones," "Deep Throat," "Debbie Does Dallas," plus many more from all over the world, including from countries where making porn gets people killed! Literally!
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)There still is as much money in the porn industry as there ever was.
The old straight to video M.O. is indeed dying out. Pay subscription sites are still thriving, but pirated content is still a threat.
More common is the per per clip approach, which has enabled a lot of actors to make a lot of money, often times individually and without the middleman of a production company.
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)nt
fNord
(1,756 posts)So I'm glad we see this new evil befor it's too late. Let's put a stop to it with new laws. We can't have people conjuring sexual thoughts mid coitus. Without porn, we'll finally be rid of sexual thoughts!!
We can go back to the old ways when we only invisioned diapers and preschools wile in the act, because that's the Real way evolved humans act.... Except for women who've had histrictomies, and men with testicular cancer, and horny 14 year olds, and 65 year old widows, and elderly married cupples, and of corse those dirty homosexuals.... But there just a new group....that have existed for over 6,000 years, and .....oh no!
It would appear that my whole argument is based on nonsense some asshole made up less then 1,000 years ago in a pitiful attempt to control the hearts and minds of "free folk."
Maybe we've got the cart before the horse.... Maybe porn does not cause sexual thoughts......maybe WE have sexual thoughts and THERFORE there is pornogarphy.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,170 posts)yourout
(7,532 posts)Botany
(70,567 posts)" .... executive director of Morality in Media, which has campaigned against pornography since 1962." rofl
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Botany
(70,567 posts)bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)I bet they get to use university computers in their offices to look at porno sites and download porno videos as part of their "research". I wonder if they are allowed to use their grant money to pay for subscriptions to pay-per adult sites.
Yavin4
(35,445 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)I don't know of any death certificate that reads cigarettes or alcohol or porn as cause of death.
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)I would think there are more.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)NOT death inducing.
These types of death are SO VERY RARE as to be negligible in the scheme of it all.
It might seem a minor distinction to you since you cherry picked TWO deaths out of the millions of global deaths per year.
Did those two even die in the Same Year ... ???
good grief.
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)lol
I have no idea when Amy Winehouse died,Bon Scott died in '80.
It is rarer than some deaths.You said you knew of none,now you know of at least two.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)cause of death proves MY point and I thank you.
Death Certificates vary from state to state much less nation to nation.
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)glad to help
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ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)but I think there is a lot of harm done by porn in many areas. I know of a number of marriages destroyed by a porn watching spouse. I think it is extremely emotionally unhealthy, especially for young boys and young men. It leads to very unrealistic sex expectations in some people.
I would have no problem with PSAs about porn and strict government oversight for the industry workers.
liberal N proud
(60,340 posts)Righteous assholes forcing everyone else to conform to their views
libodem
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randome
(34,845 posts)...will be to point out that it screams for a Bruce Springstein parody.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)is a problem.
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