Believe it or not, there are conditions that must apply for a revolution.......

[socialist_n_TN]

to be a possibility. That's clear from a knowledge of history. Obviously, that knowledge is sorely lacking on the right-wing as today shows.

[malaise]

1. Come on

These are internet warriors and persons who play at the civil war for tourists.
They are fugging clueless. They know nothing about history.

[socialist_n_TN]

3. Yep, clueless is a good way to describe it....

nm

[Wounded Bear]

2. They're wrong about the conditions...

and they have not a fucking clue about the true reasons, to boot. The inciteful talking heads on the right are playing with fire, IMHO.

Or maybe not. A violent 'revolutionary' event is a likely lead-in to a Fascist outcome. There are many in the 1% who would love that IMHO.

[socialist_n_TN]

4. I suppose the right might spearhead an attempted fascist takeover......

much like in Ukraine. But they could only do it by taking advantage of a revolutionary or pre-revolutionary situation. IOW, the conditions must be there first for the unrest to balloon into a revolution whether it be progressive or reactionary.

As a revolutionary socialist who HAS a knowledge of history, I KNOW those conditions don't apply yet.

[Wounded Bear]

5. I'll bow to your superior knowledge here...

but I can't help but think we're moving in that direction. If you look at the recent strikes over the minimum wage and contrast that with the RW Bundy Ranch militia wannabes, the chance for a spark to ignite something bigger than most people expect are increasing IMHO.

I recently read 1848. I see some parallels with current events. If you're truly a student of Marx, like your avatar suggests, you should be familiar with that era.

[socialist_n_TN]

8. Oh I don't doubt that even if the waterfall of revolution is not in sight....

we can hear the roar. So yes, the contradictions of the capitalist system are building and getting sharper which lead to sharper class struggle. But it's still not there yet. Now is the time for organizing, propagandizing, and agitation, so we can be ready when the conditions DO become right.

And yes, I'm a little bit familiar with the wave of revolutions in 1848, but I'm much more familiar with the Russian revolutions in '05, February '17 and of course, October '17.

[winter is coming]

11. If they give thought to what they might be stirring up as they mouth their masters' words,

they console themselves with the mistaken notion that they will be untouched by any cataclysms they trigger.

[tandot]

6. I am sure you are talking about weather conditions

because a revolution can only be successful if the sun is shining and it isn't too cold

[socialist_n_TN]

9. Yes, the Bolsheviks could ONLY have been successful because .....

the sun was shining in Russia in October 1917.

[Ken Burch]

12. I'm suddenly picturing Little Orphan Annie singing "Tomorrow" to Lenin and Trotsky on Sept 31, 1917.

[socialist_n_TN]

15. Ken you're on a ROLL tonight!.......

[ms liberty]

7. I agree, but I wish you would elaborate...

I'd like to hear your analysis, and there may be newbies that are not as informed as you on the subject - I was one of those back in 03, and learned much from DU discussions like this!

[socialist_n_TN]

13. The first conditions that need to be met........

involve the rulers not being able to rule in the same old way and the ruled not allowing themselves to BE ruled in the same old way. That's the main condition lacking at this point. There are still a lot of people who have hope that the system can be "reformed" in order to work for everybody. And the rulers still think they can do what they've been doing with impunity and it will still work. At the present time, too many people see class war as a battle that can have multiple class winners, the workers can win and so can the owners. In reality, it's a zero-sum game. When the owners win, workers lose and vice versa.

These conditions will be brought on by heightened class struggle as the owners continue to reconstitute their RATE of profit on the backs of the working class. As we're often told, labor is the biggest roadblock to bigger profit, which means that we have to take ever greater cuts in wages and benefits to restore their profits. At some point it becomes too much and we say "NO!" which leads to a wave of strikes culminating in the working class's most powerful weapon, an indefinite general strike. THAT'S a revolutionary situation.

[Ken Burch]

10. You're saying you'd give them poor Marx on their historical awareness?

sorry...it was there...

[socialist_n_TN]

14. I've never used this before, but THAT....

was a "DUzy".

[Ken Burch]

16. it's all yours. n/t.