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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe Final Nail In The Coffin Of The Vaccine Causes Autism Myth
Well, another nail in the coffin that science has long ago shut, but true anti-vaccine believers will never acknowledge. Still...
http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/final-nail-coffin-vaccine-autism-myth/
"But one more article, one more peer-reviewed paper has just been published that should slam the door shut on the vaccine-autism myth. But I am not naïve, I know that the antivaccination cultists will invent some logical fallacy to continue to lie about the tie between vaccines and autism. The research, published in the journal Vaccine, is a meta-analysis of five cohort studies involving 1,256,407 children, and five case-control studies involving 9920 children. As Ive written before, meta-analyses form the basis, the deep foundation, of the scientific consensus, and they are the highest quality scientific evidence available. This study is like a gigantic clinical trial because it rolls up the highest quality data from those millions of subjects to develop solid conclusions.
So what did the authors find?
There was no relationship between vaccination and autism (OR: 0.99; 95% CI: 0.92 to 1.06). This means that the odds that a person has autism and being vaccinated is equivalent to the odds that a person has autism and not being vaccinated.
There was no relationship between vaccination and ASD (OR: 0.91; 95% CI: 0.68 to 1.20).
Similarly the case-control data found no evidence for increased risk of developing autism or ASD following MMR, Hg, or thimerosal exposure when grouped by condition (OR: 0.90, 95% CI: 0.83 to 0.98; p=0.02) or grouped by exposure type (OR: 0.85, 95% CI: 0.76 to 0.95; p=0.01).
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Orrex
(63,220 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Orrex
(63,220 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Orrex
(63,220 posts)Archae
(46,341 posts)LeftishBrit
(41,208 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Best line of the night.
Sid
Dr. Strange
(25,922 posts)Jenny McCarthy is not a doctor and has no formal medical training. If you want a meaningful opinion on autism and vaccines, you should consult a legitimate source, like ageofautism or autismspeaks.
The more you know...
Orrex
(63,220 posts)Just you wait, buck-o.
Dr. Strange
(25,922 posts)My username is
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Orrex
(63,220 posts)I took OrrexIsADoofusWhoCantAppreciateGoodLiteratureLikeTheDuneSeries1 through 14.
Should've kept going.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)And we saw the evidence for that at DU, itself.
Warpy
(111,327 posts)and I've found antivax believers to be as rock headed as religious fundies and objectivists.
It's just a shame that so many research dollars are being wasted on this stuff.
The local public health laws need to be strengthened and kids who aren't excluded by medical conditions need to be vaccinated unless they're being home schooled or in church funded schools like the Amish.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)p < 0.001 would be profound evidence. p < 0.01 is pretty strong evidence. Generally speaking, p values between 0.01 and 0.05 are considered moderate evidence.
Don't get me wrong. I'm completely pro vaccines. The p values will probably decrease as the sample size increases over time.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Which is often why p values aren't what they would be for a lab experiment.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Please don't pretend otherwise. Thank you.
Aristus
(66,440 posts)Jenny McCarthy will just have to go back to showing her tits to get attention...
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)rexcat
(3,622 posts)they are produced by big evil pharmaceutical companies only out to make profit and not to cure anything.
I had to add that. I work in the pharmaceutical industry in phase II - IV clinical trials. Currently working on an improved HPV vaccine; a actual cure for Hepatitis C (one was just approved but the pricing seems high) and the first drug with the potential to significantly slow the progression of Alzheimer's Disease among other therapies. And I will state here that I would not trust the pharmaceutical companies as far as I could throw them and want to see the revolving door between the FDA and the industry permanently locked but good luck with that one.
I worked as a clinical microbiologist in the pediatric setting before the advent of the vaccines and saw a lot of kids severely injured or die from what is now preventable diseases because of the advent of good vaccines.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
DanTex
(20,709 posts)The term "clinical trial" typical refers to a prospective interventional study -- that's where you split the participants into groups and give them different treatments and see how the treatments affect outcomes. To my knowledge, there haven't been any clinical trials regarding vaccines and autism -- in fact, that would be unethical, because it would mean intentionally not vaccinating some kids in order to figure out if they get autism more or less than the vaccinated kids. So this meta-analysis is actually more like a gigantic observational study than a gigantic clinical trial.
Not that it really matters... even before this meta-analysis, it was completely clear there is no evidence linking vaccines to autism.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)Interventions are a pretty important part of a clinical trial. What it's "like" is a giant observational study. It wouldn't have been that hard to use the correct term here.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)In fact, it would be unethical. That's the point. Nevermind that a meta-analysis is a different breed. Nitpicking the terms changes nothing.