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Better Believe It

(18,630 posts)
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 02:40 PM Mar 2012

All U.S. Groups Oppose Obama’s “Individual Mandate” for Health Care



All U.S. Groups Oppose Obama’s “Individual Mandate” for Health Care
A Black Agenda Radio commentary by Executive Editor Glen Ford
March 27, 2012


When one takes a cursory look at where various groups in the nation stand on President Obama’s health care legislation – now under review by the U.S. Supreme Court – it appears the country is split along party and race lines. A new poll conducted by Princeton Research Associates shows 75 percent of Democrats support the Obama position, and 86 percent of Republicans oppose it, with so-called independents evenly split. The racial divide is similar. Sixty-eight percent of non-whites “strongly favor” or “somewhat favor” the overall health care law, with only 18 percent opposed. Whites are far more divided, with 33 percent favoring Obama’s law, and 47 percent opposed.

These numbers are, however, heavily influenced by what people think is in the law, and what side they think they should be on, based on their larger loyalties. It is doubtful that majorities on either side of the issue actually understand most of the law’s many provisions, some of which do not go into effect for several years. Therefore, many of the respondents are using the poll to register their broader preference for or against the incumbent president and his party. It is no surprise that majorities of whites and super-majorities of Republicans oppose ObamaCare, as Republicans call it, and more than two thirds of non-whites and three-quarters of Democrats support Health Care Reform, as Obama calls it.

However, most people do understand the central element of the law, the “individual mandate” that forces nearly everyone to buy health insurance from private companies, or face a fine. The new poll shows that no significant constituency supports Obama’s individual mandate, with only 28 percent of the overall public favorable to the scheme. Even non-whites, two-thirds of whom claim to support Obama on health care in general, balk at mandatory purchase of insurance from private companies. Fifty-three percent of non-whites give thumbs down to the individual health insurance mandate, as do 71 percent of whites. More Democrats are opposed to Obama’s individual mandate than favor it: 48 to 44 percent. And Republicans are off the scale in opposition, at 15 to 1.

There’s another interesting aspect to the new poll. It shows that only a hard core of one in four people want to tamper with Medicare as the Republicans do, with around two-thirds of all racial groups opting to keep the program the way it is, with the government paying doctors and hospitals directly for the service they provide to seniors.” Taken together, the poll indicates strong support for the core elements of the U.S. healthcare safety net, and rejection of private schemes, including Obama’s mandatory purchase of insurance from private companies. It appears that most Americans would rather have the option of dependable, direct health care paid for by the government – which was the case at the beginning of 2009, before Obama unveiled his health care scheme, when 60 percent and more of the American people favored single-payer health care. But Obama maneuvered them into a something they hadn’t asked for, and which, three years later, nobody wants. For Black Agenda Radio, I’m Glen Ford.

Listen to or read the full commentary at:

http://blackagendareport.com/content/all-us-constituencies-oppose-obama%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%9Cindividual-mandate%E2%80%9D-health-care


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Public Still Opposes Health Care Mandate
by Ronald Brownstein
March 27, 2012


Americans remain overwhelmingly against requiring individuals to purchase health insurance, but they divide in half about the health care law that President Obama signed in 2010, according to the latest United Technologies/National Journal Congressional Connection Poll.

The poll found sweeping opposition to the so-called individual mandate, whose constitutionality the Supreme Court is considering. But it also found the nation split along overlapping lines of partisanship and race when respondents were asked about the impact of Obama’s health reform law and its effort to expand coverage to the uninsured. At the same time, the Republican proposal to restructure Medicare into a premium-support or voucher system faces resistance as widespread as the individual mandate.

The mandate on individuals to purchase insurance or pay a penalty, as in earlier national polls, remains an idea without any significant constituency. Overall, when asked if “the federal government should or should not be able to require all Americans to obtain health insurance or else pay a fine,” just 28 percent of those surveyed said they supported the mandate, while 66 percent opposed it.

The United Technologies/National Journal Congressional Connection Poll, conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates International, surveyed 1,003 adults on March 22-25. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.6 percentage points.

See the poll graph at:

http://cdn-media.nationaljournal.com/?controllerName=image&action=get&id=16349&width=628

Read the full article at:

http://www.nationaljournal.com/daily/public-still-opposes-health-care-mandate-20120326

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All U.S. Groups Oppose Obama’s “Individual Mandate” for Health Care (Original Post) Better Believe It Mar 2012 OP
ALL US groups? Inuca Mar 2012 #1
All groups polled. If you read the article and poll you'll understand what the caption means. Better Believe It Mar 2012 #2
Get the fuck out of here with your facts and shit. joeglow3 Mar 2012 #3
Looks like the title is from the Black Agenda Report's article. sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #4
Except for those who understand it the best -AMA votes to back individual mandate cbayer Mar 2012 #5
Facts are good...nt SidDithers Mar 2012 #6
Silly goose the AMA isn't a group. And you don't need 60 votes to pass a bill in the Senate. grantcart Mar 2012 #14
Alot of people don't want to purchase health care julian09 Mar 2012 #7
Why should the insurance companies reduce premiums under a mandate rather than increase profits? Better Believe It Mar 2012 #10
Because the ACA limits what they can keep in profits. cbayer Mar 2012 #12
And the limit on insurance company profits is .......? And what about executive compensation? Better Believe It Mar 2012 #13
15 or 20 percent, depending on the population covered. cbayer Mar 2012 #15
27% to 32% of insurance premiums will continue to go for profits, exec comp and administrative costs Better Believe It Mar 2012 #16
For weekend DU'ers Better Believe It Mar 2012 #17
NOBODY gets free health care in an emergency room. I hate this RW meme riderinthestorm Mar 2012 #18
The top ProSense Mar 2012 #8
Then those who are against providing for their own health care should get a goverment-issued card, Ikonoklast Mar 2012 #9
I've been reading Black Agenda Report more and more lately. BlueIris Mar 2012 #11

Inuca

(8,945 posts)
1. ALL US groups?
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 02:48 PM
Mar 2012

What kind of a title is this? Don't you think it is "slightly" misleading? And no, sorry, I did not read tyour quotes.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
4. Looks like the title is from the Black Agenda Report's article.
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 02:57 PM
Mar 2012

What is striking about the figures on Republicans opposing the Mandate is that it is a totally Republican idea and during the campaign when Obama opposed it, John McCain was for it. So if they were not such hypocrites they would have voted for Candidate Obama who they now agree with apparently, in opposing the mandate.

It all goes to show that Democrats are far less hypocritical. We opposed the mandate as did Obama during the campaign and a majority of us still do.

Republicans are not people anyone, ever, never should try to appease. This is the thanks you get when you try.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
5. Except for those who understand it the best -AMA votes to back individual mandate
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 02:58 PM
Mar 2012

AMA votes to back individual mandate in Affordable Care Act

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/06/21/987325/-AMA-votes-to-back-individual-mandate-in-Affordable-Care-Act

AMA President Cecil Wilson said the "overwhelming" vote shows that doctors still believe a mandate is necessary to achieving universal coverage.
He emphasized that the AMA — the country's largest trade association for doctors — backed the individual mandate before the debate over healthcare reform. Many members of the traditionally conservative group wanted to see that position reassessed at the AMA's annual meeting this week in Chicago.

Delegates at the meeting voted down a proposal to let each state decide its own position on the mandate. Wilson said that position wouldn't be consistent with the AMA's stance is a necessary part of expanding coverage.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
14. Silly goose the AMA isn't a group. And you don't need 60 votes to pass a bill in the Senate.
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 04:01 PM
Mar 2012

In this fantasy land words have their own definition.
 

julian09

(1,435 posts)
7. Alot of people don't want to purchase health care
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 03:03 PM
Mar 2012

they would rather those with health care pay an extra thousand a year, so they can get free health care in emergency room. There are about 3 percent controling the other 97 percent.

 

Better Believe It

(18,630 posts)
10. Why should the insurance companies reduce premiums under a mandate rather than increase profits?
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 03:32 PM
Mar 2012

That's what they exist for profits, it's all about profits! They are not some sort of do gooder service trying to improve the health and medical treatment of the public.

Their mandate to make as much profit as possible for their owners by charging the highest possible premiums with the fewest benefits.

It's a business, not a social service agency!

That's why they are money hungry, parasitic, unnecessary vultures who contribute nothing to improve health care.

They must be removed from the health care system, not rewarded!

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
15. 15 or 20 percent, depending on the population covered.
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 04:17 PM
Mar 2012
http://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2012/02/04/does-obamacare-limit-profits-for-health-insurance-companies-in-your-state/

Executive compensation, while not limited, has new rules concerning the deductibility of said compensation. The first $500,000 is deductible. Anything over that is non-deductible supplemental executive compensation.

http://www.freedombenefits.net/affordable-health-insurance-articles/Affordable-Care-Act-restricts-pay-to-executives.html

While this is still a large amount of money, it is a drastic reduction in both areas
 

Better Believe It

(18,630 posts)
16. 27% to 32% of insurance premiums will continue to go for profits, exec comp and administrative costs
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 04:54 PM
Mar 2012

under the medical/loss ratio gimmick.

And states can apply for waivers from the medical/loss ratio!
HHS has granted waivers to seven states: Maine, New Hampshire, Kentucky, Nevada, Iowa, Georgia and Wisconsin.




Don McCanne, San Juan Capistrano, CA
September 3rd, 2010

Focusing on narrow issues such as whether the administrative cost of brokers’ fees somehow represents patient care or quality improvement as opposed to being an administrative expense distracts us from the much more important overriding issue of the profound administrative waste throughout our health care system that is related to the dysfunctional, fragmented manner in which we allocate health care spending.

The first consideration is the administrative cost of the private insurers. Should we really be allocating 15 to 20 percent of the insurance premiums to the private insurers for them to use for their own intrinsic purposes – funds that never make it to paying for health care? When you consider the very high health care expenditures in our nation, 15 to 20 percent is a huge allocation for non-medical purposes.

Another very important diversion of health care dollars is the cost of the administrative burden placed on hospitals and physicians merely to deal with our fragmented system of a multitude of public and private plans – especially in claims processing, including not only the protracted process of managing disputed claims, but also other administrative diversions such as negotiating and managing insurance company contracts.

This administrative burden on the providers has been estimated to consume about 12 percent of premium dollars. Thus the combined administrative costs merely for the insurance function will be about 27 to 32 percent of the insurance premium – a very high percentage of our very high priced system. That does not include all of the other essential administrative functions that hospitals and physicians face. What a waste!

Read the full article at:

http://pnhp.org/blog/2010/09/03/uwe-reinhardt-on-the-details-of-the-medical-loss-ratio/

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
18. NOBODY gets free health care in an emergency room. I hate this RW meme
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 12:00 PM
Mar 2012

when's the last time you or anyone you know got a free mammogram at the emergency room? Or anyone walked out of there without a bill.

Besides the emergency room does not have to fully treat you. Their only requirement is to stabilize your condition and send you home.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
8. The top
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 03:19 PM
Mar 2012

article cites opposition to the mandate accurately, but the conclusion that "three years later, nobody wants" Obama's "health care scheme" is false.

The poll showed the approval/disapproval is within the margin of error. From the National Journal piece:

<...>

Questions about the reform law’s overall impact split the country more closely. Asked for their overall assessment of the 2010 law, 43 percent of adults said they favored it, while 46 percent opposed it.

Reaction diverged along partisan lines: While Democrats backed the law by 75 percent to 17 percent, Republicans opposed it by an even more lopsided 86 percent to 6 percent. Independents split, with 45 percent opposing and 43 percent supporting.

<...>

By 45 percent to 42 percent, respondents said that Congress should keep the program. Nearly four-fifths of Republicans backed repeal, while almost three-fourths of Democrats wanted to maintain the law. Independents, by 45 percent to 40 percent, supported maintaining the coverage expansion.

This is similar to Kaiser's poll, which shows opposition to the mandate, but offers more specific results:






Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
9. Then those who are against providing for their own health care should get a goverment-issued card,
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 03:20 PM
Mar 2012

stating that no governmental or private health care provider owes them any services when they find themselves sick or injured, even though they could afford to purchase health insurance.

That way, those Rugged Individualist Libertarians will be forced to die by their creed, instead of gaming the system and having the rest of us pay for their lack of prudence.

Oh, and most people still HAVE NO CLUE as to what the health care bill will provide for them in the way of subsidies, exchanges, etc.

The ignorant ones are agin' it.

People that know what HCR actually does for them are all for it.


Ask the same people if they would rather have the Gubbamint impose a tax on them for their own health care.

They would be agin' that, too.

BlueIris

(29,135 posts)
11. I've been reading Black Agenda Report more and more lately.
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 03:38 PM
Mar 2012

It helped me find some great books. Hard for me to dismiss that website's harsh condemnation of the current state of our society. It's really opened my eyes. The BAR article on the upcoming "apartheid economy" scared the crap out of me.

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