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http://www.thegrio.com/specials/trayvon-martin/robert-j-zimmerman-trayvon-shooters-dad-a-magistrate-in-virginia-court-system.php
"Robert J. Zimmerman served as a full-time magistrate from 2000-2006. Please be advised that in Virginia magistrates are judicial officers, but they are not considered "judges" and do not possess trial jurisdiction. More detailed information on the role of the magistrate in Virginia is available on Virginia's Judicial System Website."
"Yeah, well" and "what's the dif" comments will follow, but I see no reason to elevate the public perception of Robert Zimmerman's professional status, which does a disservice to actual judges. I think "magistrate" is the correct term for his lower position, although it takes longer for two fingered typists like myself to compose. Copy and past helps.
SteveABG
(134 posts)No reason to elevate this man.
Also, I've heard him referred to as the 1%, which doesn't make sense, considering: Didn't George Zimmerman live with his father? Doesn't that mean that his father lived in this townhouse community?
That certainly doesn't strike me as "rich". He may have some powerful friends and could have pulled some strings, but I do think his stature is being slightly exaggerated.
hlthe2b
(102,279 posts)the community where this all occurred-- a much less affluent area, according to reports I've read. I don't know that the elder Zimmerman was particularly wealthy, though, nor whether he still owns that particular residence, which might have been a vacation or retirement home.
onenote
(42,703 posts)The median household income in Lake Mary, where Zimmerman's father lives, is around $69,500. The median household income in Sanford FL where Trayvon was shot is around $43,500. Obviously, that doesn't tell us anything specific about the value of the home in which Zimmerman lived or the value of the homes in the community where Trayvon was shot. I suspect, but don't know, that Zimmerman's father, who apparently was career military before become a magistrate in Virginia for a few years, has pensions from both his military service and his magistrate service and that his wife, who was a clerk in the court system in Virginia, also has a government pension.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)a "gated community," which has an upscale image, but the photos showed what looked to me a rather downscale cheap condo/apartment development. Maybe it had a gate, but it didn't look like my image of a gated community.
It seems the Zimmermans don't fit the profile of a family you'd expect to have pull, but Zimmerman seems to be being treated by the police as though there is some kind of pull in the picture. Interesting.
onenote
(42,703 posts)of his father than the fact he was a low level judicial system employee (as a second "career" in a small Virginia city a bunch of years ago.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)Though he paid $160,000 in 2004. It is a frees standing house on it's own lot, under 1600 sq. ft. heated space with a two car garage. It must be his primary residence since he got homestead exemption on it this year. http://www.scpafl.org/ParcelDetails.aspx?PID=24-20-29-5NB-0000-1890
It looks like an average middle class neighborhood.
The subdivision where the killing took place was an effort at a middle class townhouse development that managed to get hit by the recession. Frankly, it does not look run down or that it has gone to low class, low end residents as claimed by Zimmerman's buddy Frank Taaffe. The photos I've seen of the neighborhood look as though it is a nice place to live if you don't mind your neighbor being right in your face.
hlthe2b
(102,279 posts)§ 19.2-37. Magistrates; eligibility for appointment; restrictions on activities.
A. Any person who is a United States citizen and resident of the Commonwealth may be appointed to the office of magistrate under this title subject to the limitations of Chapter 28 (§ 2.2-2800 et seq.) of Title 2.2 and of this section.
B. Every person appointed as a magistrate on and after July 1, 2008, shall be required to have a bachelor's degree from an accredited institution of higher education. A person initially appointed as a magistrate prior to July 1, 2008, who continues in office without a break in service is not required to have a bachelor's degree from an accredited institution of higher education.
C. A person shall not be eligible for appointment as a magistrate under the provisions of this title: (a) if such person is a law-enforcement officer; (b) if such person or his spouse is a clerk, deputy or assistant clerk, or employee of any such clerk of a district or circuit court, provided that the Committee on District Courts may authorize a magistrate to assist in the district court clerk's office on a part-time basis; (c) if the parent, child, spouse, or sibling of such person is a district or circuit court judge in the magisterial region where he will serve; or (d) if such person is the chief executive officer, or a member of the board of supervisors, town or city council, or other governing body for any political subdivision of the Commonwealth.
D. No magistrate shall issue any warrant or process in complaint of his spouse, child, grandchild, parent, grandparent, parent-in-law, child-in-law, brother, sister, brother-in-law or sister-in-law, nephew, niece, uncle, aunt, first cousin, guardian or ward.
E. A magistrate may not engage in any other activity for financial gain during the hours that he is serving on duty as a magistrate. A magistrate may not be employed outside his duty hours without the prior written approval of the Executive Secretary.
F. No person appointed as a magistrate on or after July 1, 2008, may engage in the practice of law.
onenote
(42,703 posts)which is after Zimmerman's father retired. Before the "upgrade" a magistrate couldn't even handle traffic tickets.
http://valawyersweekly.com/2008/04/07/magistrate-system-is-upgraded-pay-is-not/
Enrique
(27,461 posts)it says the website has detailed information but it doesn't really;
http://www.courts.state.va.us/courtadmin/aoc/djs/programs/mag/home.html
Rex
(65,616 posts)get his son out of legal issues concerning assault on a cop? I don't care if his dad was the county dog catcher...did he use his influence to grant favortism for his son by local law enforcement?
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)with no power, education or legal background in law? That explains his silly comments in regards to his sons actions.
But seriously, I think they are kkklan members as are many on the Sanford PD and that's why they let Zimmerman get away with it and covered it up. They would have succeeded too if Trayvon's parents hadn't been so vocal in regards to their son's death.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Yeah I wonder about the Sanford PD, they sure were nice to Zimm during his 'detainment'.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)I googled history of sanford florida + kkk yesterday and, there's several articles mentioning klan activity. Even a pretty infamous event back in the 40's.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)Regular reports of scandals involving judges, wall to wall judge shows on daytime TV, cheap and unethical political behavior by members of the Supreme Court.
I'd really have to think before I addressed a judge as "your honor".
KansDem
(28,498 posts)Ain't that the truth!
I once had a teacher in high school who taught US history and government. He told us one day that we could criticize the President or members of Congress, but we could never criticize the Supreme Court. Members of the executive and legislative branches were elected and as such prone to "politics." But SCOTUS justices were picked and approved based on the intellect and wisdom and therefore "above politics."
That was 40 years ago, but I remember that lecture like it was yesterday...
Well, Mr. Dunphy (if you're still alive), in the wake of "Bush v. Gore" and "Citizens United" and SCOTUS justices openly attending right-wing fund raisers, you might want to rethink your beliefs...
enough
(13,259 posts)A magistrate is very far down on the totem pole of local government, and a judge is at the pinnacle, in both power and prestige. In practice, some of the magistrates are barely literate, no exaggeration.
obamanut2012
(26,076 posts)Magistrates set bail for you and that's almost about it.
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)Gold Metal Flake
(13,805 posts)They been told. Them that say that since that came out. Also, them. And that.
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)Gold Metal Flake
(13,805 posts)DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)that that in itself would give him very much juice in Florida. I'd be more interested in his current connections, if any. It may be that he has no connections at all. But if he does it's going to be local. Playing the "my dad used to be a judge in Virginia" card isn't going to get you much. It may be apathetic police or some true believer prosecutor who has a soft spot for vigilantes that shoot black kids or all of the above.
Gold Metal Flake
(13,805 posts)Hey, if you grew up in the south, you know the score. There are layers and layers here. There is nothing a certain class will not do or say or deny to prevent a just trial. Because some types of people are more valuable than others, doncha know.
slampoet
(5,032 posts)Gold Metal Flake
(13,805 posts)He's also stretching his neck farther and farther.
onenote
(42,703 posts)which has its own police force.
Its obvious that the Sanford PD is trying to cover something up. But focusing on Zimmerman's father appears to be chasing down the wrong rabbit hole.
Gold Metal Flake
(13,805 posts)Not the same at all. Might as well be two sides of the planet.
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)Its an oft repeated claim but no one has come up with anything other than the father was a registered repuke
slampoet
(5,032 posts)That is access to power.
(Assistant State Attorney maybe instead?)
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)I am looking for direct links that can be demonstrated, shown and not be argued.
One of the problems in this case is that there was so much bad gouge from all angles, much of which continues to be propagated as "fact". At this point I am looking for unassailable hard facts, which are hard to come by at this point, especially since the current State Attorney is reportedly blocking any further data releases.
Influencing the cops etc is not part of the shooting investigation but the others that are looking into the shooting investigation.
Gold Metal Flake
(13,805 posts)How fast can you get there? You might have to put down your keyboard.
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Which is ironic considering why we're discussing this.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Thanks for confirming that Robert J. Zimmerman was a VA Judge. But, don't try to baffle us with this sort of meaningless distinction. It's not relevant to the real issues of abuse of power, multiple standards of justice, and Good Old Boy Networks.
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)VA law (which has been posted) defines what they do. He was not a judge.
Still looking for some hard evidence of networking here such as calls being made. It won't come out in the criminal investigation, but it will come out in the investigation of the criminal investigation.
Gold Metal Flake
(13,805 posts)I fixed your post.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)can do that, and no one else within the criminal justice system has the legal power do that.
Here's exactly what a VA Magistrate does (from the VALawyersWeekly article linked upthread):
You are trying to twist a small distinction into a major difference that doesn't exist in the real world. Fail. Fix your own post.
onenote
(42,703 posts)First, as has been repeatedly noted, a magistrate in Virginia doesn't have to be a lawyer or go to law school. Second, they are not paid anywhere near to what a judge is paid ($35K to $50K compared to $160K to $180K).
Second, the list of tasks that they can perform today is broader than what it was in the years Zimmerman's father was serving as a magistrate. The law was "updated" in 2008 to give magistrates a bit more to do.
http://bellehaven.patch.com/articles/fairfax-chief-magistrate-criticizes-changes-to-system
http://valawyersweekly.com/2008/04/07/magistrate-system-is-upgraded-pay-is-not/
I don't know if you live in Virginia and have had direct experience with magistrates, but I do and have. And the professionals that deal with them regularly (lawyers, prosecutors, police) do not consider them the equivalent of "judges."
leveymg
(36,418 posts)standards of justice afforded whites connected to the criminal justice system, as is George Zimmerman, vs. the type of rough justice that's routinely metered out to young black males who aren't so well connected, as was Trayvon Martin. The difference is night or day, life or death. The distinction between the status in VA (where I live) of Magistrates vs Superior Court judges is not nearly so stark.
I don't believe that you can fairly announce that Zimmerman's father isn't a judge because he was a magistrate. That's simply misleading in the context of this case. And, you're smart enough to know what I mean when I say it's misleading.
onenote
(42,703 posts)in Sanford FL, a city in which he doesn't live in a state in which he never served as a magistrate or in any other official capacity, its more likely to be due to the fact that he's retired military (and maybe that connects him to some local officials) than it is because he served as a judicial paper pusher in Manassas Virginia a bunch of years ago.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Their exact places in the pecking order really isn't as important as the fact that these events illustrate the way the Club operates. Nobody should poo-poo it or attempt to deny the overriding fact that murder is tolerated provided that it's the "f-cking c--ns" who get killed.
Gold Metal Flake
(13,805 posts)obamanut2012
(26,076 posts)If you get arrested, you go before a magistrate to have bail set, etc. An attorney friend calls them cop-judges.