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From: The Raw Story
The Internet was buzzing on Friday morning that Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum may have almost dropped the n-bomb on President Barack Obama.
Speaking to a group of voters in Janesville, Wisconsin on Wednesday, the candidate seemed to catch himself before using a word that sounds like "n*gger" to describe the president.
We know the candidate Barack Obama, what he was like the anti-war government nig... America was a source for division around the world, that what we were doing was wrong," Santorum said.
"Oh, come on!" Santorum spokesman Hogan Gidley told Raw Story when asked for comment. "Give me a break. That's unbelievable. What does it say about those that are running with this story that that's where their mind goes. You know, I'm not going to dignify that with [a response]."
"That is absolutely ridiculous."
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/03/30/santorum-denies-calling-obama-the-n-word/
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Here's what they want to do at this moment: ride white conservative resentment about the Trayvon Martin killing into votes.
Here's how you do it: attempt to provoke people into accusations of racism that have some minor plausible deniability. "See, those people think everything is racist!"
This is clearly part of a strategy. If it wasn't so cretinous and distasteful, it might even be amusing.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)said NIG. Unless he is the best actor in the world, academy award level, the abrupt, stumbling, change
of subject seemed 100% real to me. His post "NIG" reaction also PROVES 1) He really almost said it
and 2) His denial shows he is a liar
yardwork
(61,632 posts)That means that Santorum is very comfortable using the "n" word with groups of people who agree. This wasn't a dog whistle. This was a slip revealing that Santorum talks this way a lot.
Richard D
(8,754 posts)Can't say that I see another possibility . . . ("nigh.." words with soft "g", such as "night" removed)
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Ecumenist
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without thinking and the panicked horror on his face confirms his intent.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)to bigots out there. He would have NEVER,EVER been able to "act" like he did after he said "NIG"
wish I had one of those super advanced systems like the FBI, so I could hear the NIG better. I can't
discern it like everyone else is.
izquierdista
(11,689 posts)Poor Rick was probably craving some tasty nigella flavored curry and it overwhelmed his brain circuits. I do it all the time. Yum.
newspeak
(4,847 posts)he was going to say niggerdly. Yeah, just like those "blah" people.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)just a part of everyday conversation for most people.
VWolf
(3,944 posts)Perhaps Hogan Gidley can clarify exactly what Ricky intended to say there, cause it sure sounded like the 1st half of the n-bomb.
black => blah
nig => niggly ????
And thanks to the Zimmermans, we also have
coon => goon
polichick
(37,152 posts)"government n-word" - so what is that exactly?
wial
(437 posts)when they think no one is listening. Someone on reddit says he's heard it used in conversation. Take that for what it's worth. It means something like "welfare queen".
wial
(437 posts)So like, dont tell me government nigger doesnt make sense. It makes sense. I instantly knew what Santorum was talking about. And its fucking disgusting. And I can not wait until the day this man is hawking a reality show because hes been kicked out of the sphere of national fucking relevance.
polichick
(37,152 posts)In that case, Santorum is uglier than ever - and he was plenty ugly before.
CakeGrrl
(10,611 posts)or "Boat Nigger" to describe a lackey who works on a boat.
The key? "Nigger" takes everything down to a lower level. That's the point of the word.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)We know the candidate Barack Obama, what he was like the anti-war government nig... America was a source for division around the world, that what we were doing was wrong," Santorum said.
We know the candidate Barack Obama, what he was like the anti-war government ASSHOLE... America was a source for division around the world, that what we were doing was wrong," Santorum said.
See, Santorum using the 'N' word would make sense in HIS mind.
slampoet
(5,032 posts)and try to say African American.
The context triple dooms him and i have heard a THOUSAND bigoted white people try to recover in the EXACT same way.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)and no other letter could sound like an "n" or a "g" - and the vowel is clearly "i"
FarLeftFist
(6,161 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)well. But, what's telling in itself is what he did AFTER that. Obviously, his mind going a million miles
a minute, trying to immediately change the subject. He didn't finish the thought.
Yep...Guilty
What's weird is, that the guy was actually a bit honest. His reaction shows he can lie with the best of them
yardwork
(61,632 posts)WeekendWarrior
(1,437 posts)I can't stand SantorumI frankly think the Google search term is accuratebut he could easily have been about to say "government negotiator." I'm not willing to assume the worst just because he's a complete asshole.
EOTE
(13,409 posts)If he wanted to say negotiator, why didn't he? Why did he get all flustered after saying it and then move on to something else?
Spazito
(50,355 posts)lunasun
(21,646 posts)a negotiator
and then decided against it ?
CrispyQ
(36,474 posts)thought his comment was in bad taste?
Priceline Says Goodbye To Shatners Negotiator Watch Final Ad
http://trekmovie.com/2012/01/19/priceline-says-goodbye-to-shatners-negotiator-watch-final-ad/
WeekendWarrior
(1,437 posts)He could have realized that this might paint Obama in a good light and quickly backed awaythus the stumble.
My point, of course, is that none of us really knows what he was about to say. Laugh all you want. Doesn't mean you know anymore than I do, or anyone else here.
WeekendWarrior
(1,437 posts)it's ridiculous to think they do. Maybe he lost his train of thought. Who knows? But I'm certainly not going to parse syllables in the guy's speech and assume I know what he was going to say.
There are legitimate reasons to call this guy a scumbag, and this kind of thing only makes the people pointing the finger look petty and stupid. NOBODY really knows what he was about to say and making assumptions is ridiculous.
EOTE
(13,409 posts)to get flustered. Because we all know how flustered one gets when mentioning a negotiator.
It doesn't look petty and stupid because just about any person capable of adding 2 and 2 knows what Santorum was about to say. NO ONE gets that flustered after making an honest little flub.
cstanleytech
(26,293 posts)potentially casts Obama in a positive light which no republican wants to do.
I mean heck he got us out of the mess that Bush got us into in Iraq and they still wont really acknowledge that accomplishment.
EOTE
(13,409 posts)he was about to say the n-word.
In spite of it being the second most likely explanation, it's still insanely unlikely that that's what he was going to say. Watching the video is pretty damning and pretty damned clear.
WeekendWarrior
(1,437 posts)you DON'T know what he was about to say. How can you possibly know, if he didn't say it? As I pointed out, he COULD have been about to say "negotiator," which would have worked within the context of his sentence. And he didn't look flustered at all. He simply stumbled over wordsas everyone does now and then.
YOU are making an assumption based on your bias against the man. You assume you can read his mind and know what he was about to say. But if you're honest about it, if you look at it without that biasas we democrats try to dothen you can't possibly know he was about to make a racial slur.
There are a least a dozen other reasons to despise this guy, but this kind of nonsense just smacks of grasping for straws.
And I say this as someone who thinks Santorum is a blight on the face of the earth.
EOTE
(13,409 posts)And none of them make any sense, including negotiator which is completely nonsensical. And he looked INCREDIBLY flustered. Doesn't get in anything semi-coherent for the next several seconds.
You're right, I don't KNOW for sure that he wasn't about to say the n-word, I'm just 99.9% sure, just like I'm 99.9% sure that he didn't say "blah people". But hell, maybe I should give him the benefit of the doubt for that one too?
WeekendWarrior
(1,437 posts)you don't know, so why speculate? What do you gain from it? It just looks petty.
Attack the man for his stance on the issues and the things he actually DOES say.
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)Why is that? He does not continue with the word he began to say, why is that? The old "it looks petty" canard is really weak. Try harder next time.
WeekendWarrior
(1,437 posts)It IS petty.
EOTE
(13,409 posts)Got it. Once again, I'm not 100% certain he was going to drop the N-bomb, just 99% certain. I'm so sure that you never call anything out unless you have 100% certainty. Yeah, right. Your ridiculous arguments are the only petty thing here.
WeekendWarrior
(1,437 posts)The man didn't finish what he was saying. I've pointed out the alternative word. There are probably others I haven't thought of.
Assuming he's about to say the n word says more about you and your prejudices against him, than it does about the man himself.
And again, I say this as someone who completely despises Santorum. My only argument is that YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT HE WAS ABOUT TO SAY. You cannot possibly know, because he didn't actually SAY it.
So how, may I ask, is that a ridiculous argument?
Did you actually hear him say the n word? No?
I rest my case.
EOTE
(13,409 posts)First of all, "negotiator" doesn't begin with "nig", and that's clearly what he said. Even if it wasn't, negotiator makes absolutely zero sense. Once again, I can't be 100% certain of what he was about to say, just 99% or so. If that doesn't meet your standard of excellence, I really couldn't give a rat's ass. You apparently think that Santorum is worthy of far more consideration than he applies to others. I'm capable of making a reasonable assumption on my own. That you aren't, speaks extremely poorly on your behalf.
WeekendWarrior
(1,437 posts)Are you suggesting you can tell the difference between "Neg" and "Nig"?
You're being ridiculous.
EOTE
(13,409 posts)And most educated people can as well. There is a clear, definite difference between the words. You're being ridiculous, going out of your way to defend a racist piece of shit.
WeekendWarrior
(1,437 posts)because most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference, since most people pronounce negotiate as "ni-gotiate" or "neh-gotiate" and non "nee-gotiate." And as much as I'd like to give you an award for having the sharpest, most unbiased ears in the universe, I highly doubt you or anyone else can tell me definitively that he's about to say the n word.
The truth is, you're coming at this from the point of view of someone who already despises the man and you're letting that emotion color your judgment.
And your only real response to me is to accuse me of defending him. I'm not defending him. I'm merely saying that none of us know what he really intended to say. Could it have been the n word? Sure. But I'm not willing the jump to that conclusion based on this video. And doing so is just as petty as the GOP parsing every word a democrat says and spinning it to their advantage.
I like to think we progressives are above that kind of thing. But apparently we aren't.
EOTE
(13,409 posts)It's a soft e, not an i or a hard e.
And you are, without a doubt, defending this piece of shit. I don't know how you can say otherwise. You already know of this asshole trying to claim that he said "blah people" to cover up his racist bullshit, yet you're defending him to the end when he stops himself from saying something even more racist. You are 100% defending the man.
I'd very much like to think that progressives would be above that kind of thing. Shame you insist otherwise.
WeekendWarrior
(1,437 posts)not everyone pronounces it correctly.
And if you can't see that what I'm defending is a PRINCIPLE, not the man himself, then I genuinely feel sorry for you.
EOTE
(13,409 posts)And if you don't think that a man who has been speaking publicly for decades wouldn't pronounce that word correctly, you've got another thing coming to you.
You've made your position quite clear. You're willing to defend a man who just recently said that he said "blah people" rather than an insensitive, racial remark. You think it's even somewhat probable that he either said "negotiator" which doesn't have the same beginning sound and makes absolutely zero sense, or "governmentnik" which also doesn't make sense and isn't even a word as opposed to the word that he was clearly going to say, yet stopped himself from saying.
I truly wonder if you're ever likely to give progressives this ridiculous benefit of the doubt you're giving lil Ricky.
WeekendWarrior
(1,437 posts)I'm sorry, but that's just too ridiculous to respond to any farther. As I said before, I'm defending a PRINCIPLE, not a man. It's too bad that you can't comprehend such an idea, but there's not much I can do about it.
EOTE
(13,409 posts)This man clearly has issues with race and you are utterly blind to that. I can guarantee you that if Santorum had stopped himself and actually said "blah people", you'd be defending him for that too. You simply can't see that he's a racist ass. Blinders are very comforting for some people.
NoGOPZone
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with our own pettiness than a Presidential candidate's potential racism.
yardwork
(61,632 posts)WeekendWarrior
(1,437 posts)"potential" racism. You're making an assumption that could "potentially" be true. But we don't know that it is. And assuming it is makes us no better than any of the asswipes in the GOP who parse every word a Democrat utters.
EOTE
(13,409 posts)We can't call them out on attacking the poor, right? We can't according to your ridiculous logic, that would be petty, after all. Right? We can't accuse them of attacking the poor because we don't know that's what they're doing, they might just really, really like the rich.
You really need a big dose of reality.
WeekendWarrior
(1,437 posts)This has to be the dumbest analogy I've seen in a long, long time.
EOTE
(13,409 posts)that response was the dumbest I've seen in a long, long time. And your inability to defend your position in the slightest just adds to that.
WeekendWarrior
(1,437 posts)I've defended my position a number of times in this thread. I didn't think I had to repeat it slowly, but I will, if you insist.
EOTE
(13,409 posts)The analogy is 100% apt. You haven't said a single thing to negate that. You're defending an asshole who insists he said "blah people" instead of "black people", now you're totally willing to give him an insane benefit of the doubt.
WeekendWarrior
(1,437 posts)and believe what you want to believe.
The difference is that he clearly said "black people." We heard it.
In this instance, we didn't. Because he didn't say a complete word. You can make all the assumptions you want, but that doesn't make you right, and it certainly doesn't make jumping to conclusions with little or no evidence any less petty.
Again, I'm not defending the man, and if you could divorce yourself of your obvious emotion on this, you'd see that. I'm merely saying that emulating the GOP by jumping to conclusions is neither wise nor productive.
EOTE
(13,409 posts)And once again, you've said absolutely nothing regarding why my analogy was not apt, you've simply ignored it.
WeekendWarrior
(1,437 posts)But go ahead and wear blinders, if you like.
As for your analogy, why should I discuss something that clearly doesn't apply? Why is it my job to educate you? Judging by your reaction to everything I've said, it's obvious you have no real interest in looking at any of this objectively, so it doesn't really matter much what I say, does it?
You've proven that time and again in this thread.
I've stated over and over that my concern is fairness and objectivity and not jumping to conclusions based on emotion. You obviously don't get that. And that's on you, not me.
EOTE
(13,409 posts)Simply dismiss something by saying it's stupid and get indignant when asked to defend yourself.
If that's how it works, everything you just said was stupid. I really don't need to address it further than that. And I should further preempt you by saying that anything you could possibly say in response is also rather stupid.
cstanleytech
(26,293 posts)Not that I will be voting for him as I believe he truly is the frothy mixture of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes the by-product of anal sex.
EOTE
(13,409 posts)There's no word that makes sense after what he said aside from the one suggested. Negotiator makes no sense, neither does governmentnik. This is stretching of the worst order.
robbob
(3,531 posts)"nig"-otiator. Sorry, he has an accent, but I still don't see him pronouncing "negotiator" like that...
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)were ya about to say Ricky?? What a scuzz.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)My, but he has changed!
gateley
(62,683 posts)use it in public OR private. But I've misjudged before (always too eager to give people the benefit of the doubt, I think). But I can't imagine what ELSE he might have said right there, can you?
monmouth
(21,078 posts)but it eventually comes out when they're under stress. His "anti" stance against everything, it seems, that gives joy, happiness, or security of any kind to others brings out the meanness and selfishness in them...
gateley
(62,683 posts)about the meanness. Guess I should pay closer attention but I try to see/read as little as possible about these guys.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Ecumenist
(6,086 posts)you behave because what you do and say at home and in comfort, you'll do in public
HillWilliam
(3,310 posts)It makes you wonder what goes on inside those homes because you know it's worse than the "face" they put on in public. Also makes you wonder about their (lack of proper) raising.
Ecumenist
(6,086 posts)RKP5637
(67,109 posts)immature and emotional person. I think it just slipped out.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)The glue always gives way, making the entire thing a sloppy mess.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)don't know where I've seen the clips - but even speaking on the senate floor, he sounds rather megalomaney when he gets his passion on.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)Until recently, he has always struck me as the runt. The kid who was too small to play sports with the big guys. He has somewhat of a slight build and a sort of gentle, school boy, protected by mom for too long, appearance. He dropped aggressive bills but has never really been very aggressive publicly.
Now that he has become a contender in this primary, the good 'ol boys are welcoming him. He can finally smoke cigars, drink beer, and cuss with them.
I think he learned a new 'behind closed doors' word he would not have used except for in that company and it almost slipped out.
He's like a nerdy college kid who finally got to join the guys who call each other bastards and SOBs and let it slip in polite company.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)And was always obnoxious afterwards for a while.
Of course he said that it didn't effect his behavior just gave him more energy.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)A male ego boost from his recent success. Suddenly he's a player and he has manly men are cheering him on rather than just laughing at him and his sweater vests. He strikes me as a person who other men would not have thought of as an equal.
Spazito
(50,355 posts)and his race-baiting, I am only surprised he didn't come out with the N word sooner.
He is a racist, extremist POS, imo.
nadine_mn
(3,702 posts)This didn't come out of nowhere. Just like the "Blah" people - he was surprised people reacted badly to it - in his world that was ok, and when he caught called on it, he made up that lameass excuse.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)"anti-government negro" is more believable than the other -- but still, don't think he would really go there
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)who don't hesitate to use that word.
And it rubbed off on him.
Lawlbringer
(550 posts)Government-nik. Like beatnik, nogoodnik, peacenik, etc.
Raven
(13,893 posts)slampoet
(5,032 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)stammered trying to recover.
Now what word starting with nig . . . that in context could be applied to President Obama that would cause you to stutter and stammer?
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)slampoet
(5,032 posts)Not only can you hear him say "NIGG" you also hear him try to recover with "AF"
and try to say African American.
The context triple dooms him and i have heard a THOUSAND bigoted white people try to recover in the EXACT same way.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)realize where they are or could get in trouble work wise
though being in public isn't necessarily a deterrent with these types who at home have no problem using it among the very young
and let us not forget his belief that it's all blah people........
Ecumenist
(6,086 posts)you want to minimise what he is saying to an entire segment of America who work as hard to build this country as everyone else, knock yourself out. However, he said EXACTLY what everyone else heard and is hearing. As long as we refuse to face the growing nastiness in this country but being unwilling to hear what is right before us, NOTHING will ever change.
Lawlbringer
(550 posts)Do you really think he'd get up on stage and just say that word? He's crazy, not stupid. And what's the context that using that ugly word in his sentence? Not that the word has any place, or will fit anywhere, but it wasn't the place to put a noun in his sentence, was it?
Ecumenist
(6,086 posts)the fact that he tried to correct it by inserting "Afr" leaves no mistake about what he meant. He said EXACTLY what you, well "maybe" not you but most everyone else heard.
I heard Uh.
And don't drag that crap about not wanting to hear, please. I am dying to hear him slip up, but something unmistakable like his "no, I said blah people" ridiculous gaffe.
Maybe I should pop my headphones into my speakers and play at max volume. I'm just trying to be objective, rather than letting my distaste for the guy cloud my perception.
Ecumenist
(6,086 posts)pretty much blew up twitter), everyone but you heard it. It's okay. I'm not the type to place race cards. Family is so mixed:Afrobosnian nephew, Brazilian nephews and nieces, another nephew who is black, pinoy, mexican and italian, husband is Bohemian Czech from Deepindaharta. Irish ggranfather, Chinese GGGRandfathers, French Grandmother, Moorish ggrandmothers, etcetc-- but when I hear that word and it's IMMEDIATELY followed with the attempt to insert the ubiquitous "african-american) but he stutters and stammers as he simultaneously has a panicked look on his face, well as first my mother and then Randi Rhodes said, " If someone tells you who they are...BELIEVE THEM!"
LiberalLovinLug
(14,174 posts)Just saying.
Hey, if that's what you heard ok, but to me not only was there a clear "Afr.." But its not just that, its the combination of all these elements that convicts him.
1. the "government nig.."
2. the quick recovery to start to say "Afr.."
3. the quick realization that he couldn't use that word either, because then everyone would know the word he was trying to use before that, and besides it did not fit into the sentence and that would also give him away.
4. His stumbling and the fear in his eyes. If he was just stumbling over an innocent word the normal reaction would be to simply repeat until he got it right, maybe a small chuckle at himself at his faux pas.
5. The total switch of topic in order to quickly move on after realizing there was no way to make it right.
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)Fifth graders play dodge ball, most adults do not. The trying to be "objective" angle is a an old canard used by liars when they get caught BTW.
Lawlbringer
(550 posts)That I"m secretly a Santorum supporter?
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)Did I say you were a Santorum supporter?
Lawlbringer
(550 posts)Just saw what I typed. THanks.
Anyway, you implied that I was lying. What do I have to lie about?
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)Good luck to you.
Lawlbringer
(550 posts)But as a parting tidbit: evasion is a tool used by those who throw around baseless claims to pad their own egos.
Sorry to see that my original opinion upset you so much that you'd have to lower yourself so much as to make a comment and then flee.
Have a nice weekend!
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)Your little jabs of RW BS are so funny. I am not fleeing anything YOU are just not worth talking to. See you in the brickyard dude.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)got up on stage and said that word like it was a planned event?
He didn't appear to be reading from a script, so it seems to have popped up from his subconscious mind and through his lips.
Just like when people accidentally say a swear word in mixed company or in front of children. Totally unscripted.
Why? Because they're used to saying such words.
Santorum didn't PLAN on saying that word. But it did almost slip out, much to his apparent consternation.
NoGOPZone
(2,971 posts)Smithers tried to placate Mr. Burns
FarLeftFist
(6,161 posts)NoGOPZone
(2,971 posts)Government Nick
The Midway Rebel
(2,191 posts)but I think your analysis is laughable.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)Like someone else said...WTF is a "Government-nik", and why would he stop in the middle of it and change direction?
Also...I had Mr Pipi listen to it. He is hard of hearing, but even HE could hear what Santorum started to say...
Lawlbringer
(550 posts)are pretty funny. Like I'm using that ugly word myself.
I'm not defending the guy himself, but the fact that some people think that he would go up and say that shit is no different from when the right launches their ridiculous attacks on us. As Liberals, don't we pride ourselves on common sense? Take a swipe with Occam's Razor. What context would it have been used for? An Anti-War Nig-Imeanuh....
Come on. Really?
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)it's more likely than not that he would use the N word against a black person no matter what the subject was.
and see, here's the thing...
I've often pissed off people here because I don't tend to see racism around every corner. I think the words, "racist" and "bigot" are too freely used, so I don't see myself as having knee-jerk reactions.
And I tried...I really did...to give him the benefit of the doubt.
There is no other word in the English language that I know of that starts with "nig" except "niggardly" but his use of that word would have made absolutely no sense whatsoever. Plus the word he was probably looking for would have been a noun.
But I have a feeling that even if he had come right out and said the word in all its disgustingness, there would still be some who would insist that we didn't really hear what we clearly heard.
Lawlbringer
(550 posts)I definitely wouldn't be surprised to find out he uses it casually in private conversation.
And like I said in another post, there are people who defend against his ridiculous "recovery" where he claims he said blah people instead of black people. I'm just trying to be objective in judging someone who I have such intense hatred for. If he out and said it, I'd say, okay, this guy is even worse than I had originally thought. And he'd drop to where I hold Ron Paul. But this could be tongue twisting, gaffing. But I've been flamed for other opinions that don't leap to the most horrendous conclusions imaginable.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)if it's not surprising that he would say it in casually in private conversation, what makes it beyond belief that he might SLIP and nearly say it in public?
And really, it's not the point that he only nearly said it...
The point is, if that's what he says in private, it's a pretty good indication of what his prejudices might be.
Just the same as if he had started out almost, but not quite finishing the word "bitches" in regards to women. Yeah, cool if he didn't finish the word, but if his casual conversation involves him referring to women as "bitches", then it doesn't look real good for him as a man.
EOTE
(13,409 posts)Come on, the guy has proven that he's both an idiot and an asshole. This doesn't surprise me at all.
Do you also defend his "blah people" comment? Do you think he got all flustered and stopped himself because he said "government-nik"? Really? I have to believe you've got a bit more common sense than that.
He didn't stop himself, he trailed off. You could hear him say black people. This is different. It's arguable.
I dunno. I want him to stumble so bad he falls on his face and loses the election (not before he takes the crazies from Paul, and the douchebags from Romney) with something so glaringly obvious that it wipes him out and staggers the whole Republican party. Not something that can be debated. Just trying to be objective.
EOTE
(13,409 posts)But you believe that that Santorum actually said "Government-nik" which is not even a word, and then got all flustered about it and stopped himself. Rather than stopping himself from saying "ni**er". Yeah, that makes all kinds of sense.
You're twisting into all sorts of weird contortions to justify what this ass has said.
Iggo
(47,558 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)How often is, or how popular is the phrase "Government-nik used?" You can of course provide relevant examples of its use in contemporary politics? Compare and contrast this against the popularity, and usage of the word "nigger".
Additionally, if he did indeed intend to use this benign phrase (as you so "objectively" believe), what precisely compelled him to stop and replace it with "Afr...", and how does that fit in to the context?
EOTE
(13,409 posts)are a couple of links suggesting that's what Santorum said. In other words, it's not a word at all.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Get real.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)polichick
(37,152 posts)CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)Seems like the conservative version of an "Uncle Tom" (but the opposite meaning).
polichick
(37,152 posts)That makes more sense.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)It's the Repubs' fault for coming up with these convoluted phrases. It's like Harrison Ford said to George Lucas "you can write this s*** but you sure can't say it".
It also points up the fact that the Repubs are pro-war but anti-government, which is a strange combination!
polichick
(37,152 posts)In that context, pro-war and anti-government works just fine.
uponit7771
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polichick
(37,152 posts)slampoet
(5,032 posts)"We know. We know the candidate Barack Obama what he was like. The anti-war, government nigg- the Af-, the America was a source for division around the world."
You can not only hear him almost say the N-word ("nigg"
but you also hear him Fail to insert African American afterwards with the "Af" syllable.
BUSTED you BIGOT.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Ecumenist
(6,086 posts)Loki
(3,825 posts)The government Ni...ghts Who Say Ni. Wink wink nudge nudge.
IDemo
(16,926 posts)DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)On behalf of Rock Ridge, it's my privilege to present this laurel, and hearty handshake to our new...
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,839 posts)Raine1967
(11,589 posts)It's just a matter of time before he really gets caught on a hot mic -- I thought he would drop the *F* bomb before this.
BumRushDaShow
(129,067 posts)If he stays in the race long enough, he's going to get so carried away in the heat of his massive ego, he's going to drop some bomb that he can't "blah" or "ni-gurgle" over.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)If stressed, anxious ..angry ... I will drop the 'F' bomb and any other number of obscenities.
I will guarantee I will not use racial or ethnic epithets ...
My use of obscenities may make me boorish and crude ... but I greatly prefer that to being a bigot /racist.
I can forgive curse words a politician throws out ... I can't accept ot fotgive this kind of thing
He absolutely, positively started to say "ni**er". As a Black woman and a FLAMING LIBERAL, I wish they would just come right out and say it. Goodness knows that's what they're all thinking. The entire "take back my country" meme is code for "get that ni**er out of OUR White House".
newspeak
(4,847 posts)is he sure is one hell of a fabricator; right up there with little boots.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)they know that would be political suicide in the GE. By doing that, I'm sure they would even be kissing goodbye to conservatives like Herman Cain, Clarence Thomas, J.C. Watts, Apostle Claver Kamau-Imani, GOPride, and the Log Cabin Republicans. They want to be able to use dog whistles so they can please the hardcore right-wing, while simultaneously being able to deny any intentions of being bigoted.
ajk2821
(89 posts)I think there Herman Cain, Clarence Thomas, et al, would have to think about it for all of 5 seconds before they could rationalize why they are staying in the GOP if the GOP used slurs. Cain, Thomas, etc know that the left and middle of the population don't want them and it would bolster their standing in the GOP if they accepted the slurs.
Ecumenist
(6,086 posts)that anyone with with 3 brain cells can understand. It ain't rocket science. What is disappointing are people who twist and fold themselves to the nth degree in an effort to purposefully ignore and deny the 12 ton gorilla standing on their favorite shoes. Amen, Lois, Amen!
slampoet
(5,032 posts)Also telling.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)OK, maybe he didn't actually go through with it, but he certainly was about to!
I saw this video on Facebook about 45 minutes ago. Tried real hard to give him the benefit of the doubt, but a friend and I both agree that the only noun in the English language we know of that starts off "nig" is the N word.
I wish he hadn't caught himself.
He would have been finished. Kaput.
Political dead meat for a long time, if not forever.
Sleazy weasel. He makes me nauseous.
shawn703
(2,702 posts)Wouldn't surprise me if that's just the thing the Republican base needs to hear to get excited enough to get out and vote for him over Romney in the coming weeks.
Richardo
(38,391 posts)God knows I have enough trouble completing a sentence, let alone after months of travel and with uninterrupted non-stop media coverage.
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)Sounds like something out of Blazing Saddles. If that's the word he almost used, it means he probably says that all the time with ease when he's in private with his handlers and no one calls him on it.
marble falls
(57,099 posts)Its not like this is the straw that broke the camel's back.
Santorum certainly has the ability to polarize folks and there's no one half in or half out of the Santorum boat that will make any decisions to support him over this kerfafle.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)I heard too.
More "niG" than "niH"
slampoet
(5,032 posts)Ecumenist
(6,086 posts)forgot where he was.
marble falls
(57,099 posts)a nastier sort of BS in private all the time and they feel like they are some sort of majority and they get comfortable in a room full of the like minded and they say what they really say in private.
Evasporque
(2,133 posts)He is so toast....
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)This just solidifies him with his base. Now they know he's really, truly one of them.
Face it--nobody likely to be upset by the "N-word" was planning to vote for Frothy anyway.
Evasporque
(2,133 posts)Talking incessantly in his ear....
bongbong
(5,436 posts)> "You know, I'm not going to dignify that with"
AKA, "you caught us & I gotta spin Frothy's hatred into something else",
AKA, "teh state of denial"
brooklynite
(94,589 posts)...his aide did. Perhaps someone could ask the Candidate directly what he was trying to say?
slampoet
(5,032 posts)Instead they attack the accuser and THEN say there is no dignified response.
Which we all know is almost true. There is no dignified reply except contrition.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)I would see from an ex husband.
When caught red handed in something or other, he would turn around and attack his accuser.
Another person I knew would do the "It doesn't deserve a response" thing while acting all hurt and insulted.
I dunno...maybe it's me, but if someone misinterprets what I say, the first thing I try to do is clear up the misunderstanding.
Not get all snotty and blame the person for misunderstanding in the first place.
cali
(114,904 posts)but context wise the n word makes little sense. I don't buy it.
uponit7771
(90,346 posts)...Southern Strategy type words.
Remember it was Nixons manager that said we'll replace the word socialist with n*****r
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)that epithet would probably be the modern day version of "House Ni**er".
And yes, it would make a lot of sense
TahitiNut
(71,611 posts)... I listened to the video several times.
No doubt in my feeble little mind ... Frothy (p)Rick DEFINITELY caught himself a fraction of a second too late. Busted.
lumpy
(13,704 posts)what he came so close to fully saying. He is not above using crude language in spite of trying to convey that he is a upstanding little goody goody Christian guy. Using his word he is full of "bullshit".
FSogol
(45,488 posts)Ohio Joe
(21,756 posts)They will stammer and make excuses but really... This is what they want. Racist assholes, every last one of them.
eShirl
(18,494 posts)knowing how he feels about Blah people.
IDemo
(16,926 posts)eyewall
(674 posts)and I'm pretty sure he said exactly what he intended to say. I mean, I think he said it correctly, as he intended. I don't see his recovery being less scripted than his statement. He doesn't almost panic, he finishes his statement. If it were on a teleprompter it would have been written just as he said it.
The ensuing controversy would help the GOP. They pander to racism and I would guess that anytime Santorum or Romney makes a public racist remark that they go on to deny, it reaches a lot more closeted haters and draws them into the fold.
When he shifts his head slightly like he's throwing out that word and searching for another, it looks like it's been rehearsed. He said it this way on purpose. He doesn't hide his racism, he sneaks it into plain view to reaffirm to his supporters that they have the right party. He sends a message that politics can return to the division of apartheid like inequality. That white people can view themselves as the "masters".
Molly Ivens warned us to not take Dubya's idiocy for granted. He played the fool but it was with precision and with purpose. This season we see a re-targeted Rovian style of endearment attracting millions more bottom feeders up into the political process.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)This is incredibly bad. Santorum is history.
eyewall
(674 posts)and Rush Limbaugh is still on the air, after both of them have repeatedly said things publicly that would have gotten any other person booted from access to the public airwaves.
Over 140 advertisers have left the Limbaugh show and yet his extreme dominance of stations and time slots has not been curtailed. He should be off the air entirely. It's inconceivable that he isn't. The same is true of Santorum after so many racist remarks.
It's time for people to realize that reality has been rendered quaint by the contrived world that supports republican policies.
Hugabear
(10,340 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,067 posts)OMG
Thank goodness I wasn't drinking something because my keyboard would be toast!
ecstatic
(32,707 posts)Regardless of this latest slip. He has shown his true colors time and time again.
chrisa
(4,524 posts)His reputation would be destroyed over night, like a nuclear bomb to a corn field. He would be gone forever.
Mitt Romney would pee in his pants from the joy.
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)that makes it okay. The blaring whine of his voice would reach new heights of desperation.
frogmarch
(12,153 posts)nig..."
There's no doubt in my mind that he started to say the N word.
GiveMeFreedom
(976 posts)What a slimy piece of shit, fucker. Taliban should recruit this asshole. Oh wait, the christian taliban claims this asshole already.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)I don't personally know a single person that vote or call themselves republican that is not either racist, anti-poor, or insanely anti-immigrant. I have met one person that is republican and decent, and she appears to be near abandoning the party, given her heritage, I surmise that she was born into a long line of republicans.
There is no place for decent republicans, and there are many of that variety, in the modern republican party. If I weren't so at odds with their views, I would feel sorry for them, they have no where to go.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)You can see him thinking "Oh, shit!" and then stumbling to recover.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)He may not personally use that word in private, but I have no doubt he has heard the word and/or the phrase "government n****r" many many times.
If he wasn't toast before, he's definitely toast now.
Botany
(70,515 posts)I didn't know until I just looked it up that Government Nigger means somebody
who lives off the government and after he / she spends their welfare check
on booze and drugs after which they are broke again.
He got half way through nigger and then froze up and started stuttering
when he realized he had let his true thoughts come out of his mouth. The
term Government Nigger is w/out a doubt one which Rick Santorum has
used and is comfortable about using. Good old Christian Ricky. I wonder
if Rick knows that the Jesus of the bible was a n*****?
Jesus had "hair like lamb's wool" and skin "of bronze."
If I offended anybody by typing out the word nigger I am sorry but
it needs to be put out their plan as day. BTW good on the other
DUers picking up that Rick tried to say African American right afterwards
to try to cover up his slip up of letting the world know what he thinks.
lumpy
(13,704 posts)his gaffe(?) using the word bullshit in reply to the reporter.
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)I've been switching channels all morning on my tv machine but so far nada.
missheidi
(168 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Makes me see how Santorum resembles an inept Russian gangster, but it doesn't replace my mental
picture of him as the American Taliban.
cindyperry2010
(846 posts)the hell you say.
phylny
(8,380 posts)jimlup
(7,968 posts)What an ass but we already knew that.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,182 posts)That being said, I'm not ruling out a Freudian slip.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)slampoet
(5,032 posts)AlinPA
(15,071 posts)He would jump up in the GOP polls if he finished the word.
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brettdale
(12,381 posts)Whyn isnt the media blasting this everywhere??? Oh thats right, they are the media.
brettdale
(12,381 posts)Has any mainstream media on TV played this at all? Any? Even one?
Bolo Boffin
(23,796 posts)I really don't. Now if it had been any of the other three, especially Ron Paul, I'd be right there.
brettdale
(12,381 posts)He says the word nig, then stops, what else could he be saying? and where the Fu*k is the mainstream media with this?
Bolo Boffin
(23,796 posts)He says "government nig", and then repeats that, not just the "nig" part, before going on.
So I've no idea what he was saying, but I strongly doubt it was the N-word. I got a lot more reasons to despise Santorum than this, anyway.
brettdale
(12,381 posts)If this video is so inoccent, then how come the mainstream print/tv media arent reporting it, its like it doesnt exist.
Bolo Boffin
(23,796 posts)Nope, don't buy it. MSM doesn't cover things for many reasons, one of which is that there is no there there.
slampoet
(5,032 posts)It is so popular there is a WEBSITE with that name.
http://americangovernmentniggers.com/index.html
Bolo Boffin
(23,796 posts)And believe me, with my extended family, I would have.
And a website that originated in 1-1-2012 does not prove your point at all.
Nor does a google search for "government (N-word)" whose first five pages are all a reference to this Santorum statement.
It's not common at all. In fact, virtually not used would be a better description.
slampoet
(5,032 posts)Not only can you hear him say "NIGG" you also hear him try to recover with "AF"
and try to say African American, then suddenly realize that the term African American doesn't fit as a substitute for the N-word in this context, so he stumbles a second time.
The context triple dooms him and i have heard a THOUSAND bigoted white people try to recover in the EXACT same way.
Bolo Boffin
(23,796 posts)As for me and my ears, Santorum saying (or trying to say and stopping) the N-word here makes absolutely no sense in the context of what he's saying. So I'm going to continue to think not.
And then I'll continue to rely on the 1,000 legitimate reasons to despise the man and his policies. If that's all right with you...
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)Just checking. Good for you. Warm socks? Those make sense you know.
Bolo Boffin
(23,796 posts)Neither make a bit of sense down here. But thanks for asking.
slampoet
(5,032 posts)Last edited Sat Mar 31, 2012, 04:35 PM - Edit history (1)
Bolo Boffin
(23,796 posts)You did a better job trying to show a context with the citation of the website in another post, but you didn't show how "anti-war government" naturally leads to the N-word at all.
I put nothing past little Ricky anymore. For all I know, he may get behind closed doors and start niCLANGing away. But how is this particular context and phraseology what trips him up in public? I just don't see it. And, again, there are far more overt statements of his that I'm concerned about.
Ter
(4,281 posts)Bolo Boffin
(23,796 posts)Or how about quotes from Paul's racist newsletter?
Please get real immediately. Cracker is as cracker does.
Ter
(4,281 posts)Seriously, stop the hate.
Bolo Boffin
(23,796 posts)yardwork
(61,632 posts)slampoet
(5,032 posts)Last edited Sat Mar 31, 2012, 01:37 PM - Edit history (1)
Seriously.
Even this comment is more racist than cracker.
"Barack Obama is an elitist, my goodness the man went to Harvard!"
- Williard Mitt Romney, JD & MBA Harvard University 1975
Ter
(4,281 posts)Cracker is a racial stereotype, right on par with nigger, kike, and spic. They are all vile and I hate even typing them.
yardwork
(61,632 posts)Bolo Boffin
(23,796 posts)...to say "black people" there before he caught himself. But that's because it fits into the context of the hateful thing he was saying.
If the word before "nig" or "neg" had been something like "house" or "field" or something heinous like that, I would absolutely agree with you. But "government"? What would that even mean?
There are plenty of overt, clear reasons to oppose Rick Santorum. He says enough ignorant, hateful things right out loud to be bothered with the shadows.
yardwork
(61,632 posts)Bolo Boffin
(23,796 posts)And since it's so abundant in usage, you won't have a problem finding one, right?
yardwork
(61,632 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)And this sorry SOB sets himself up as a follower of Christ?
What a joke! All republicans are racist, women hating, rich loving anti american scumballs!
steve2470
(37,457 posts)I don't have a television, so I can't tell you about TV news.
However, look at this search of Google News:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&btnmeta_news_search=1&q=santorum+n+word&oq=santorum+n&aq=1z&aqi=d1g-z1g7g-m2d1&aql=&gs_l=news-cc.1.1.43j0i3j0l7j0i5l2j43i400.2407l3629l0l6177l10l10l0l3l3l0l197l757l2j4l6l0.
I think I counted 93 sources, none of them mainstream except the Guardian in the UK.
eta: You just know if President Obama almost slipped with an equivalent racist word, it would be the big TV news and Google News would be blowing up.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)wants to make it clear that he has issues with blah people.
CakeGrrl
(10,611 posts)nadine_mn
(3,702 posts)using that language and expressing racist thoughts he forgets himself.
We have all mis-spoken or tripped on a word... BUT HE DIDN'T EVEN FINISH THAT SENTENCE OR COMPLETE THE THOUGHT - he just completely switched thoughts in mid-stream
That is what is so telling ... this wasn't a vebal slip - his facial reaction and moving on to a different sentence completely shows that he knew what he almost said.
brettdale
(12,381 posts)And fuck the msm, for not reporting on this video. Has anyone sent this to jon stewart or michael moore yet, hell I cant even find it on the huffingtonpost.
RZM
(8,556 posts)Using that word is the kiss of death for any white person in public life. Santorum's a quite experienced public figure, who, like all candidates, basically spends all day talking. I find it unlikely that he would ever dream of using that word in public and probably even in private too (that can be used against you as well).
Of course, anything's possible. If it is odd when put up against his 'blah people' remark too. But if I had to guess I would think he was trying to say something else and it got garbled.
brettdale
(12,381 posts)Not one msm outlet in the USA has reported or mention this video yet, please keep this thread kicked until they do, and please blast it out to every media outlet you know.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)I came very close to blogging about this yesterday, when I first read Victor Davis Hanson's bewildered column on Trayvon Martin. Here's what stuck out for me: The guy is just so terribly confused about who is allowed to say the n-word and when.
(National Review's The Corner)
I'm sure glad I waited until today to comment on it, though. Because at least - I hope - we can all agree that it's not a word Rick Santorum should use.
GarH
(33 posts)Santorum just became God to the teabaggers.
kick and please send to the msm.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)TAMPA, Fla. - Officials with the Hillsborough County chapter of the NAACP reacted to a YouTube clip Friday that some say shows GOP presidential candidate Rick Santorum starting to call President Obama the n-word.
"I think he said it. He may not have went all the way. He let the first syllable out, enough that it was on its way. It is not unusual for Rick Santorum," said chapter president Carolyn Collins.
The flub came Tuesday while Santorum was speaking to a crowd in Wisconsin. Santorum appeared to briefly stumble over his words. "We know... we know the candidate Barack Obama, what he was like. The anti-war, government nig-- uh, the, uh, America was a source for division around the world."
10 News wanted to know what other Bay Area residents heard in the clip. Some say, they're not sure.
brettdale
(12,381 posts)Come on msm report on this video.
theophilus
(3,750 posts)No man who spells Negro with two gs will ever be elected President of the United States.
William H. Seward, U.S. Senator (Whig & Republican, NY)
slampoet
(5,032 posts).....have you ever heard Lenny Bruce's routine about how LBJ can't say Negro?
"It always comes out NIG-ERO. He just can't say it!!"
fightthegoodfightnow
(7,042 posts)Maybe he's the Anti-Christ the book of Revelations refers to.
fascisthunter
(29,381 posts)taught_me_patience
(5,477 posts)and accidently said "government" and got half way to the "negotiator" before realizing "government negotatior" doesn't make much sense.
Dropping the n-word in a speech is complete and total political suicide.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)That makes no sense.
brettdale
(12,381 posts)NO msm reporting this???
brettdale
(12,381 posts)Not even the huffingtonpost has this video on their webpage?????????
Why is even left wing msm avoiding this???????
slampoet
(5,032 posts)brettdale
(12,381 posts)Until just one, it only has to be one, major msm reports on this video.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)So sad....
eggplant aubergine
(8 posts)There are no accident in politics.
When I think of Janesville, I think of the KKK. Geraldo got his nose punched out there. If this was done by design, it was to appeal to racist cheezeheads.
And?
I detest all types of slurs. The N-word is something I hate to utter, even when quoting another person. But maybe it's gonna take a White person using it to get it thru the thick skulls of those people of color who persist in using it that it is low-rent and self-hating. I also despise the word "queer" but since I am not a lesbian, I guess I don't have the right to do so.
auburngrad82
(5,029 posts)He's frustrated that he's not getting what he wants and he knows he'll not beat RMoney. And I think he's cracking.
I think he truly believes he was chosen by God to save the country from us heathens. It's got to be frustrating for him to think that he's not going to be able to pull it off. The insanity is beginning to show.
brettdale
(12,381 posts)till just one major msm reports on this video.
brettdale
(12,381 posts)till just one major msm reports on this video.
brettdale
(12,381 posts)Until just one msm reports on it.
brettdale
(12,381 posts)Not even one, not even the huffington fuckin post will show this.
brettdale
(12,381 posts)kick
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Just like you did with "blaaaaah people".
Might as well own it, dude. It's not like it's gonna hurt you with your base or anything.
brettdale
(12,381 posts)kick
agentS
(1,325 posts)He's in a world of hurt now!