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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThere is a blackout in the evidence, according to News 13 Re: Trayvon Martin.
The authorities have called a black out for the evidence because they fear it will jeopardize the case.
The way I read it, is that they figured out that the entry and exit wounds don't support Zimmerman's account, and they fear the public reaction. Not just because of what it means to Zimmerman, but what it means to the Sanford Police Department and the State Attorney's Office.
Meanwhile, Zimmerman's brother is allowed to hit the circuit and create more confusion.
Boabab
(120 posts)Haven't the "authorities" in this case learned yet that the cover-up is worse than the crime? The truth will leak out, no matter what, and they'll all look that much more ridiculous.
The feds had better be working diligently to clean this entire mess up. Millions are watching....
Baitball Blogger
(46,720 posts)They expect people to dummy up. They intimidate those who don't submit to their decisions.
So all this national attention is something that will result in the clash of two worlds.
Boabab
(120 posts)A small town can't win in a case of national interest. Just look at what happened in Happy Valley, PA with the Joe Paterno/Jerry Sandusky situation. All of the local attempts at covering up the truth were sidestepped, and the truth leaked out, bit by bit.
That's what will happen here, imo.
Baitball Blogger
(46,720 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)this crime. I watched the pictures of sherrif's taking their dogs to black protestors in the 70s and watched crooked law enforcement being arrested for the crimes they committed. I did not stop then and I will not stop now.
Baitball Blogger
(46,720 posts)on its own.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)Dream. It really makes me sad.
madokie
(51,076 posts)malaise
(269,022 posts)Wouldn't the family have a copy by now?
madokie
(51,076 posts)and a bone gets in the way there may not be an exit wound but there is definitely an entry wound. Irregardless they should be able to tell the direction the projectile went indicating where the gun was when it was fired.
peace frog
(5,609 posts)but I doubt it will stop the leaks. This case is too big, the public is clamoring for information so the facts and fiction will continue to come out.
eShirl
(18,494 posts)about halfway down the page:
Blackout on evidence
The surveillance video may be the last piece of evidence the public sees in the Trayvon Martin case for some time.
The state prosecutor now handling the case, Angela Corey, has called for a "news blackout" on any further evidence.
Corey said recent leaks of information should not have been made public, and her office will no longer answer questions about the Trayvon Marin case until her investigation is over.
Baitball Blogger
(46,720 posts)Ecumenist
(6,086 posts)happened but came forward to the public yesterday), said that from what he could see, Trayvon was shot IN THE BACK!
http://www.reddingnewsreview.com/newspages/2012newspages/new_witness_confirms_trayvon_mar_12_1000044.htm
vaberella
(24,634 posts)I didn't want to think it or say it, in fear that it would be real. But yeah...I believed that. This will a shit storm if true.
Ecumenist
(6,086 posts)hands UNDERNEATH him that he was shot through the the front chest.
Life Long Dem
(8,582 posts)"Eyewitness: No, just that it was that it was that it was dark.
They saw GZ standing over him with each foot on each side of the victim.
This guy leaves out an important part.
If GZ shot him in the back, it would seem odd that he shot him while lying on him.
Ecumenist
(6,086 posts)and walked over to where he was watching IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE FATAL SHOT!! What's missing?
Life Long Dem
(8,582 posts)Did he say if he saw anything right before popping up? Was this popping up GZ standing over the body? He admits he couldn't see much until he saw GZ up and walking.
What's missing is the distance the shot was taken. When they release this info through gunshot residue we'll know more about the distance the shot was fired. But until then if a witness isn't sure of the position GZ was in when the shot went off then we are missing this important info from the witness.
Do you follow me? I think the GZ team would like us to think a fight over the gun happened. But if there is distance between the gunshot then this argument is no good.
Ecumenist
(6,086 posts)that it might have been blocked by someone;s body or if the shot was point blanc, he wouldn't have necessarily seen the muzzle flash. As it applies to where zimmy was in reference to Trayvon, the witness ( may be a she, the voice is distorted to hide identity and gender) said that he saw a scuffle, heard the voices and cries for help and once the shot went off, the"larger" man got up in a VERY short period of time, (a couple of seconds, according to the witness), and walked over to where he had been watching.
As that person got closer to his position, he could see that it was a hispanic male, that it was zimmy. He also made mote that when disengaged from the now over scuffle, he could see that there was the body of a boy, face down in the grass. He said that zimmy didn't NOT look injured, only nervous and was putting his hand(s) to his forehead. Trayvon was facedown when GZ got off of him and this matches what Mary Cutcher said about what she and her rommate saw when they went outside of their home to see zimmy"straddling " Trayvon's facedown and VERY dead body, with his hands on Trayvon's back. The Roommate thought, at first, that GZ was giving CPR. The roommate asked him three times what was going on and it wasn't until the third and most forceful time she asked that he popped up and asked them to phone 911. They also noted his nervousness and his putting his hands on his forehead.
Life Long Dem
(8,582 posts)The new witness never mentioned the arms extended pressing on what was Trayvon's back. He seems to see everything from when he popped up in this straddling position.
Or she as you say the voice is distorted.
Ecumenist
(6,086 posts)Life Long Dem
(8,582 posts)This witness describes how they can see who it was when they got closer to them. This witness was even able to tell GZ was Hispanic when he got closer.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)If it was not removed by some one. If the bullet was still in the ground when the FBI arrived, you can bet that it is no longer in the ground, but is in the FBI crime lab in Washington. A bullet in the ground with Trayvon being face down dead is not good news for Zimmerman and his defenders.
SDjack
(1,448 posts)I feel certain that Judge Zimmerman can offer a satisfactory explanation of the dangers of being attacked by an "assailants'" back. E.g., Trayvon could have wrestled the gun away from little Zimmie, and then shot himself in the back -- just make trouble.
gkhouston
(21,642 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)The volume of racist vitriol leveled at young Mr. Martin (and young black males again in general) has been astounding - absolutely through the roof. Even on DU, otherwise mild posters have gone all Zulu Dawn on us, suggesting their deep-seated dread of the black horde, attacking, smashing, sucker-punching, grinning with wild Birth-of-a-Nationesque savagery. It has been quite an eye-opening experience to see what even so-called progressives will believe about Mr. Martin, and how they will turn to any alternative scenario to make Mr. Martin the aggressor, since, in their minds, the savage black youths are always an inch away from striking, home invasion, mugging, car-jacking, you name it. Fear of a Black Planet, and no mistake.
And, in the midst of all that, if it turns out this guy shot Mr. Martin in the back? In the back?
It will be ugly.
Ecumenist
(6,086 posts)into pretzels in order to explain that Martin is completely responsible for his own stalking and murder.
tosh
(4,423 posts)Wow! I am REALLY, REALLY glad that I've missed those threads.
I've had to start ignoring the comments sections of the recent news coverage.
When it comes to THAT kind of junk from my fellow humans, I'd rather keep my head in the sand.
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)vaberella
(24,634 posts)I got the feeling the boy was shot from the back and not from the front. If that is the case...I agree this was murder 1/ execution. I got the feeling might be running to a back door since he was on the grass. and his feet were pointing to the cement.
Baitball Blogger
(46,720 posts)Someone two days ago said that the excuse was that the gun went off on its own. I couldn't understand how that fit into the portfolio of information at the time so I dismissed it. But now it occurs to me that the conservative media has been told the truth about the autopsy, so they're floating that excuse ahead of time.
vaberella
(24,634 posts)That would be manslaughter or accidental death and depending on his peers...a few years and off on good behaviour. This would lead to public outrage.
vaberella
(24,634 posts)The boy was running away and he killed him.
Boabab
(120 posts)Zimmerman probably couldn't catch up to Trayvon, and in frustration shot him in the back from a distance.
Alternately, Zimmerman had an execution on his mind the second he left his vehicle.
Ecumenist
(6,086 posts)be something far more horrible that it first appeared to be. It might be why the screams that were heard were so painful sounding.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)A legitimate question now arises as to whether a first bullet may have nicked Trayvon and caused him to panic and fall long enough for Zimmerman to come up and execute him.
My sense is that the special prosecutor may be looking at a capital charge at this time and she does not want information released into the press that may compromise her ability to get a conviction.
It is not a case of whether Zimmerman will be charged or how much longer it will be before the charge is made. The question, in my mind is whether the charge will be first or second degree murder. If it is found that Trayvon was first wounded then killed with a shot in the back, the cases almost surely will be murder 1 with the death penalty in the mix.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Probably been fantasizing about it for a long time, and finally acted.
Boabab
(120 posts)The parallels to Joran van der sloot are all there. A son of an authoritative figure in the legal community displays sociopathic behavior early on, but his "indiscretions" are covered up by daddy. Thus empowered, he escalates his behavior, resulting in the death of innocents unfortunate enough to be in his way.
Look at Zimmerman in the police video. He was calm and at peace, just after having executed another human being. He liked the experience, and will do it again.
That's why they have to arrest him as soon as possible, because if daddy manages to get him out of the country, he'll continue his activities elsewhere -- just like van der Sloot did.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)And like you said, now that he's tasted blood, he will want to repeat the experience.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)chasing him and shot him in the back but then we need to know about the cries for help.
vaberella
(24,634 posts)I figured Zimmerman did wrestle him down on the grass and he was screaming for help. Then when Trayvon tried to get up and get away maybe trying to get to one of the neighbor's door--- he was shot in the back.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)It is possible that the first shot nicked Trayvon and caused him to fall long enough for Zimmerman to run up and execute Trayvon with a shot into Trayvon's back.
Baitball Blogger
(46,720 posts)If he was on the sidewalk or street, it would have backed up Zimmerman's point that he was being attacked. But Trayvon died on a strip of grass a distance from the sidewalk.
Ecumenist
(6,086 posts)vaberella
(24,634 posts)One person said they saw Zimmerman on top of the body so I always Trayvon was face up...but he's face down. Why?
just1voice
(1,362 posts)It's part of being a corrupt nation wherein laws are only upheld for some.
Mayberry Machiavelli
(21,096 posts)There could be one, though, against various members of the Sanford PD or State's Attorney for incompetence or malfeasance.
Baitball Blogger
(46,720 posts)Well, the county and at least one city.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)The charge that the special prosecutor is looking at could have escalated to first or second degree murder, the two highest charges. When either charge is made, the prosecutor must collect and evaluate lots of information while setting the charge. A first or second degree murder charge demands a vigorous defense, the prosecutor knows that and likely don't want public release of critical information to get that information thrown out in court, therby favoring Zimmerman. Have any of us thought that the reason for the release of the police tape was to contaminate it so that the tape could not be used in a criminal trial?
KharmaTrain
(31,706 posts)Another one of those unsourced sources. Is this local, state or federal? A big difference. If its Federal that means they're doing what they should...gathering the facts and avoiding all the speculation that's going on out there.
Anyone blabbing, such as Zimmerman's brother or father or whomever are blowing smoke as they weren't at the crime scene. Hopefully the facts are quietly being gathered outside of the media circus so that real justice and due process occur...
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)and of witnesses doing television interviews. My fear is that they'll claim there is no place Zimmerman can get a fair trial and use that to try to get him off.
My hope is that with the Federal involvement, the investigation of the Sanford PD, the prosecutor, that they're trying to shut down info leaks to be able to get a good arrest that leads to a conviction.
My fear there is, like everybody else here, they'll use it as a chance to whitewash. But I don't think so. I think this time they realize it is too late for that.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)It seems that the special prosecutor and the FEDs want to shut down leaks. Leak of the police tape could contaminate the tape and potentially get it thrown out of court. So far, leaks seem to have served Zimmerman's case, which is suspicious given how the case was handled from the night of Trayvon's death.