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Baitball Blogger

(46,720 posts)
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 08:41 AM Mar 2012

There is a blackout in the evidence, according to News 13 Re: Trayvon Martin.

The authorities have called a black out for the evidence because they fear it will jeopardize the case.

The way I read it, is that they figured out that the entry and exit wounds don't support Zimmerman's account, and they fear the public reaction. Not just because of what it means to Zimmerman, but what it means to the Sanford Police Department and the State Attorney's Office.

Meanwhile, Zimmerman's brother is allowed to hit the circuit and create more confusion.

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There is a blackout in the evidence, according to News 13 Re: Trayvon Martin. (Original Post) Baitball Blogger Mar 2012 OP
What a surprise... Boabab Mar 2012 #1
All they know around here is cover-ups. Baitball Blogger Mar 2012 #7
Agreed, but the bigger, more powerful side will get the info Boabab Mar 2012 #11
I do hope that this will result in something positive. Baitball Blogger Mar 2012 #12
I think you are correct. Because those of us who want justice are not going to turn our backs on jwirr Mar 2012 #33
Sad that we still have to demand justice, because we can't expect it to happen Baitball Blogger Mar 2012 #40
For certain but I am wondering if that my have been one of the lies we fell for like the American jwirr Mar 2012 #41
This was a murder and the cops are covering for the murderer, simple as that madokie Mar 2012 #2
But the autopsy must state the entry and exit wounds malaise Mar 2012 #26
I think that sometimes when the muzzle of the gun is against the skin madokie Mar 2012 #53
So, the Cone of Silence descends peace frog Mar 2012 #3
yup; from their website eShirl Mar 2012 #4
Thanks. Appreciate that. Baitball Blogger Mar 2012 #8
The witness that came forward yesterday, (actually they came forward when the murder first Ecumenist Mar 2012 #5
I have been suspecting that same thing from the beginning. vaberella Mar 2012 #14
Me too and I SAID IT. It just didn't make sense that he was found FACEDOWN w/ his Ecumenist Mar 2012 #17
The two women witnesses saw more than this guy. Life Long Dem Mar 2012 #15
The "new" witness says that the man who turned out to be zimmy just popped up Ecumenist Mar 2012 #19
I have a hard time following him Life Long Dem Mar 2012 #30
The shot is the only thing of note that he couldn't see, due to light levels and he speculated Ecumenist Mar 2012 #35
Mary Cutcher sounds credible Life Long Dem Mar 2012 #38
This witness saw Trayvon's body once GZ popped up and walked away from the body. Ecumenist Mar 2012 #51
This witness can talk about how GZ didn't look injured. Life Long Dem Mar 2012 #52
If the bullet exited with Trayvon on the ground, the bullet likely would still be in the ground. bluestate10 Mar 2012 #46
If Trayvon was shot in the back, SDjack Mar 2012 #6
I'm waiting for someone to claim Trayvon tried to shoot Zimmerman with a gun embedded in his body. gkhouston Mar 2012 #9
There will be riots alcibiades_mystery Mar 2012 #18
EXACTLY. I noticed and been so disappointed to see this. they have twistedd themselves Ecumenist Mar 2012 #21
"Even on DU, otherwise mild posters have gone all Zulu Dawn on us..." tosh Mar 2012 #42
well then they should arrest him! WI_DEM Mar 2012 #10
You suspect what I do... vaberella Mar 2012 #13
I heard a rumor which now makes sense. Baitball Blogger Mar 2012 #27
If true... vaberella Mar 2012 #44
If Trayvon was shot in the back. There was no fight. vaberella Mar 2012 #16
Exactly right Boabab Mar 2012 #20
The latest witness AND one other witness said that they heard TWO gunshots. This may turn out to Ecumenist Mar 2012 #22
I too thought along the same lines. bluestate10 Mar 2012 #47
I believe this was a thrill killing for Zimmerman. MoonRiver Mar 2012 #23
That's the way I'm leaning Boabab Mar 2012 #24
Good point. I hadn't made the connection with Joran van der Sloot, but it's definitely there. MoonRiver Mar 2012 #25
The cries for help do not fit into this as easily. I also wondered if z didn't just get tired of jwirr Mar 2012 #36
That's not how I saw it. vaberella Mar 2012 #43
Some witnesses reported hearing two shots. bluestate10 Mar 2012 #48
I think Anderson Cooper even asked if Trayvon was on the grass or sidewalk. Baitball Blogger Mar 2012 #28
And his feet were facing the sidewalk with his head furthest away from the concrete. eom Ecumenist Mar 2012 #37
Not to mention the cop on the scene apparently found him face down. vaberella Mar 2012 #45
Police represent themselves, people are a distant concern just1voice Mar 2012 #29
There's no case to jeopardize if Zimmerman is never charged. Mayberry Machiavelli Mar 2012 #31
The entire county and its 7 municipalities runs under that system. Baitball Blogger Mar 2012 #39
I disagree. bluestate10 Mar 2012 #49
"Authorities"??? KharmaTrain Mar 2012 #32
I've been surprised at the amount of evidence that has been released magical thyme Mar 2012 #34
Exactly my view. bluestate10 Mar 2012 #50

Boabab

(120 posts)
1. What a surprise...
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 08:45 AM
Mar 2012

Haven't the "authorities" in this case learned yet that the cover-up is worse than the crime? The truth will leak out, no matter what, and they'll all look that much more ridiculous.

The feds had better be working diligently to clean this entire mess up. Millions are watching....

Baitball Blogger

(46,720 posts)
7. All they know around here is cover-ups.
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 09:03 AM
Mar 2012

They expect people to dummy up. They intimidate those who don't submit to their decisions.

So all this national attention is something that will result in the clash of two worlds.

Boabab

(120 posts)
11. Agreed, but the bigger, more powerful side will get the info
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 09:09 AM
Mar 2012

A small town can't win in a case of national interest. Just look at what happened in Happy Valley, PA with the Joe Paterno/Jerry Sandusky situation. All of the local attempts at covering up the truth were sidestepped, and the truth leaked out, bit by bit.

That's what will happen here, imo.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
33. I think you are correct. Because those of us who want justice are not going to turn our backs on
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 02:13 PM
Mar 2012

this crime. I watched the pictures of sherrif's taking their dogs to black protestors in the 70s and watched crooked law enforcement being arrested for the crimes they committed. I did not stop then and I will not stop now.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
41. For certain but I am wondering if that my have been one of the lies we fell for like the American
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 05:56 PM
Mar 2012

Dream. It really makes me sad.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
53. I think that sometimes when the muzzle of the gun is against the skin
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 08:00 PM
Mar 2012

and a bone gets in the way there may not be an exit wound but there is definitely an entry wound. Irregardless they should be able to tell the direction the projectile went indicating where the gun was when it was fired.

peace frog

(5,609 posts)
3. So, the Cone of Silence descends
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 08:52 AM
Mar 2012

but I doubt it will stop the leaks. This case is too big, the public is clamoring for information so the facts and fiction will continue to come out.

eShirl

(18,494 posts)
4. yup; from their website
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 08:52 AM
Mar 2012
http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/3/30/trayvon_martin_opini/

about halfway down the page:

Blackout on evidence

The surveillance video may be the last piece of evidence the public sees in the Trayvon Martin case for some time.

The state prosecutor now handling the case, Angela Corey, has called for a "news blackout" on any further evidence.

Corey said recent leaks of information should not have been made public, and her office will no longer answer questions about the Trayvon Marin case until her investigation is over.

Ecumenist

(6,086 posts)
5. The witness that came forward yesterday, (actually they came forward when the murder first
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 08:58 AM
Mar 2012

happened but came forward to the public yesterday), said that from what he could see, Trayvon was shot IN THE BACK!

http://www.reddingnewsreview.com/newspages/2012newspages/new_witness_confirms_trayvon_mar_12_1000044.htm

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
14. I have been suspecting that same thing from the beginning.
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 09:17 AM
Mar 2012

I didn't want to think it or say it, in fear that it would be real. But yeah...I believed that. This will a shit storm if true.

Ecumenist

(6,086 posts)
17. Me too and I SAID IT. It just didn't make sense that he was found FACEDOWN w/ his
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 09:19 AM
Mar 2012

hands UNDERNEATH him that he was shot through the the front chest.

 

Life Long Dem

(8,582 posts)
15. The two women witnesses saw more than this guy.
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 09:18 AM
Mar 2012
"Anderson Cooper: Were you able to observe who was on top, who was on bottom, were you able to see faces, or any details of the people scuffling?

"Eyewitness: No, just that it was… that it was that it was dark.



They saw GZ standing over him with each foot on each side of the victim.

This guy leaves out an important part.

If GZ shot him in the back, it would seem odd that he shot him while lying on him.

Ecumenist

(6,086 posts)
19. The "new" witness says that the man who turned out to be zimmy just popped up
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 09:24 AM
Mar 2012

and walked over to where he was watching IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE FATAL SHOT!! What's missing?

 

Life Long Dem

(8,582 posts)
30. I have a hard time following him
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 01:44 PM
Mar 2012

Did he say if he saw anything right before popping up? Was this popping up GZ standing over the body? He admits he couldn't see much until he saw GZ up and walking.

What's missing is the distance the shot was taken. When they release this info through gunshot residue we'll know more about the distance the shot was fired. But until then if a witness isn't sure of the position GZ was in when the shot went off then we are missing this important info from the witness.

Do you follow me? I think the GZ team would like us to think a fight over the gun happened. But if there is distance between the gunshot then this argument is no good.

Ecumenist

(6,086 posts)
35. The shot is the only thing of note that he couldn't see, due to light levels and he speculated
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 02:21 PM
Mar 2012

that it might have been blocked by someone;s body or if the shot was point blanc, he wouldn't have necessarily seen the muzzle flash. As it applies to where zimmy was in reference to Trayvon, the witness ( may be a she, the voice is distorted to hide identity and gender) said that he saw a scuffle, heard the voices and cries for help and once the shot went off, the"larger" man got up in a VERY short period of time, (a couple of seconds, according to the witness), and walked over to where he had been watching.

As that person got closer to his position, he could see that it was a hispanic male, that it was zimmy. He also made mote that when disengaged from the now over scuffle, he could see that there was the body of a boy, face down in the grass. He said that zimmy didn't NOT look injured, only nervous and was putting his hand(s) to his forehead. Trayvon was facedown when GZ got off of him and this matches what Mary Cutcher said about what she and her rommate saw when they went outside of their home to see zimmy"straddling " Trayvon's facedown and VERY dead body, with his hands on Trayvon's back. The Roommate thought, at first, that GZ was giving CPR. The roommate asked him three times what was going on and it wasn't until the third and most forceful time she asked that he popped up and asked them to phone 911. They also noted his nervousness and his putting his hands on his forehead.

 

Life Long Dem

(8,582 posts)
38. Mary Cutcher sounds credible
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 02:29 PM
Mar 2012

The new witness never mentioned the arms extended pressing on what was Trayvon's back. He seems to see everything from when he popped up in this straddling position.

Or she as you say the voice is distorted.

 

Life Long Dem

(8,582 posts)
52. This witness can talk about how GZ didn't look injured.
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 07:31 PM
Mar 2012

This witness describes how they can see who it was when they got closer to them. This witness was even able to tell GZ was Hispanic when he got closer.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
46. If the bullet exited with Trayvon on the ground, the bullet likely would still be in the ground.
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 06:40 PM
Mar 2012

If it was not removed by some one. If the bullet was still in the ground when the FBI arrived, you can bet that it is no longer in the ground, but is in the FBI crime lab in Washington. A bullet in the ground with Trayvon being face down dead is not good news for Zimmerman and his defenders.

SDjack

(1,448 posts)
6. If Trayvon was shot in the back,
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 09:00 AM
Mar 2012

I feel certain that Judge Zimmerman can offer a satisfactory explanation of the dangers of being attacked by an "assailants'" back. E.g., Trayvon could have wrestled the gun away from little Zimmie, and then shot himself in the back -- just make trouble.

gkhouston

(21,642 posts)
9. I'm waiting for someone to claim Trayvon tried to shoot Zimmerman with a gun embedded in his body.
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 09:07 AM
Mar 2012
 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
18. There will be riots
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 09:22 AM
Mar 2012

The volume of racist vitriol leveled at young Mr. Martin (and young black males again in general) has been astounding - absolutely through the roof. Even on DU, otherwise mild posters have gone all Zulu Dawn on us, suggesting their deep-seated dread of the black horde, attacking, smashing, sucker-punching, grinning with wild Birth-of-a-Nationesque savagery. It has been quite an eye-opening experience to see what even so-called progressives will believe about Mr. Martin, and how they will turn to any alternative scenario to make Mr. Martin the aggressor, since, in their minds, the savage black youths are always an inch away from striking, home invasion, mugging, car-jacking, you name it. Fear of a Black Planet, and no mistake.

And, in the midst of all that, if it turns out this guy shot Mr. Martin in the back? In the back?

It will be ugly.

Ecumenist

(6,086 posts)
21. EXACTLY. I noticed and been so disappointed to see this. they have twistedd themselves
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 09:26 AM
Mar 2012

into pretzels in order to explain that Martin is completely responsible for his own stalking and murder.

tosh

(4,423 posts)
42. "Even on DU, otherwise mild posters have gone all Zulu Dawn on us..."
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 06:05 PM
Mar 2012

Wow! I am REALLY, REALLY glad that I've missed those threads.

I've had to start ignoring the comments sections of the recent news coverage.

When it comes to THAT kind of junk from my fellow humans, I'd rather keep my head in the sand.

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
13. You suspect what I do...
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 09:15 AM
Mar 2012

I got the feeling the boy was shot from the back and not from the front. If that is the case...I agree this was murder 1/ execution. I got the feeling might be running to a back door since he was on the grass. and his feet were pointing to the cement.

Baitball Blogger

(46,720 posts)
27. I heard a rumor which now makes sense.
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 10:42 AM
Mar 2012

Someone two days ago said that the excuse was that the gun went off on its own. I couldn't understand how that fit into the portfolio of information at the time so I dismissed it. But now it occurs to me that the conservative media has been told the truth about the autopsy, so they're floating that excuse ahead of time.

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
44. If true...
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 06:25 PM
Mar 2012

That would be manslaughter or accidental death and depending on his peers...a few years and off on good behaviour. This would lead to public outrage.

Boabab

(120 posts)
20. Exactly right
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 09:25 AM
Mar 2012

Zimmerman probably couldn't catch up to Trayvon, and in frustration shot him in the back from a distance.

Alternately, Zimmerman had an execution on his mind the second he left his vehicle.

Ecumenist

(6,086 posts)
22. The latest witness AND one other witness said that they heard TWO gunshots. This may turn out to
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 09:29 AM
Mar 2012

be something far more horrible that it first appeared to be. It might be why the screams that were heard were so painful sounding.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
47. I too thought along the same lines.
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 06:50 PM
Mar 2012

A legitimate question now arises as to whether a first bullet may have nicked Trayvon and caused him to panic and fall long enough for Zimmerman to come up and execute him.

My sense is that the special prosecutor may be looking at a capital charge at this time and she does not want information released into the press that may compromise her ability to get a conviction.

It is not a case of whether Zimmerman will be charged or how much longer it will be before the charge is made. The question, in my mind is whether the charge will be first or second degree murder. If it is found that Trayvon was first wounded then killed with a shot in the back, the cases almost surely will be murder 1 with the death penalty in the mix.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
23. I believe this was a thrill killing for Zimmerman.
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 09:38 AM
Mar 2012

Probably been fantasizing about it for a long time, and finally acted.

Boabab

(120 posts)
24. That's the way I'm leaning
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 09:47 AM
Mar 2012

The parallels to Joran van der sloot are all there. A son of an authoritative figure in the legal community displays sociopathic behavior early on, but his "indiscretions" are covered up by daddy. Thus empowered, he escalates his behavior, resulting in the death of innocents unfortunate enough to be in his way.

Look at Zimmerman in the police video. He was calm and at peace, just after having executed another human being. He liked the experience, and will do it again.

That's why they have to arrest him as soon as possible, because if daddy manages to get him out of the country, he'll continue his activities elsewhere -- just like van der Sloot did.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
25. Good point. I hadn't made the connection with Joran van der Sloot, but it's definitely there.
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 10:26 AM
Mar 2012

And like you said, now that he's tasted blood, he will want to repeat the experience.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
36. The cries for help do not fit into this as easily. I also wondered if z didn't just get tired of
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 02:23 PM
Mar 2012

chasing him and shot him in the back but then we need to know about the cries for help.

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
43. That's not how I saw it.
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 06:22 PM
Mar 2012

I figured Zimmerman did wrestle him down on the grass and he was screaming for help. Then when Trayvon tried to get up and get away maybe trying to get to one of the neighbor's door--- he was shot in the back.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
48. Some witnesses reported hearing two shots.
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 06:55 PM
Mar 2012

It is possible that the first shot nicked Trayvon and caused him to fall long enough for Zimmerman to run up and execute Trayvon with a shot into Trayvon's back.

Baitball Blogger

(46,720 posts)
28. I think Anderson Cooper even asked if Trayvon was on the grass or sidewalk.
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 10:44 AM
Mar 2012

If he was on the sidewalk or street, it would have backed up Zimmerman's point that he was being attacked. But Trayvon died on a strip of grass a distance from the sidewalk.

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
45. Not to mention the cop on the scene apparently found him face down.
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 06:32 PM
Mar 2012

One person said they saw Zimmerman on top of the body so I always Trayvon was face up...but he's face down. Why?

 

just1voice

(1,362 posts)
29. Police represent themselves, people are a distant concern
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 10:46 AM
Mar 2012

It's part of being a corrupt nation wherein laws are only upheld for some.

Mayberry Machiavelli

(21,096 posts)
31. There's no case to jeopardize if Zimmerman is never charged.
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 01:48 PM
Mar 2012

There could be one, though, against various members of the Sanford PD or State's Attorney for incompetence or malfeasance.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
49. I disagree.
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 07:01 PM
Mar 2012

The charge that the special prosecutor is looking at could have escalated to first or second degree murder, the two highest charges. When either charge is made, the prosecutor must collect and evaluate lots of information while setting the charge. A first or second degree murder charge demands a vigorous defense, the prosecutor knows that and likely don't want public release of critical information to get that information thrown out in court, therby favoring Zimmerman. Have any of us thought that the reason for the release of the police tape was to contaminate it so that the tape could not be used in a criminal trial?

KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
32. "Authorities"???
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 01:54 PM
Mar 2012

Another one of those unsourced sources. Is this local, state or federal? A big difference. If its Federal that means they're doing what they should...gathering the facts and avoiding all the speculation that's going on out there.

Anyone blabbing, such as Zimmerman's brother or father or whomever are blowing smoke as they weren't at the crime scene. Hopefully the facts are quietly being gathered outside of the media circus so that real justice and due process occur...

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
34. I've been surprised at the amount of evidence that has been released
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 02:16 PM
Mar 2012

and of witnesses doing television interviews. My fear is that they'll claim there is no place Zimmerman can get a fair trial and use that to try to get him off.

My hope is that with the Federal involvement, the investigation of the Sanford PD, the prosecutor, that they're trying to shut down info leaks to be able to get a good arrest that leads to a conviction.

My fear there is, like everybody else here, they'll use it as a chance to whitewash. But I don't think so. I think this time they realize it is too late for that.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
50. Exactly my view.
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 07:05 PM
Mar 2012

It seems that the special prosecutor and the FEDs want to shut down leaks. Leak of the police tape could contaminate the tape and potentially get it thrown out of court. So far, leaks seem to have served Zimmerman's case, which is suspicious given how the case was handled from the night of Trayvon's death.

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