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Anyone who could conclude this hyperbolic nonsense
Now. As our dear wonkers have pointed out, there are things to fear in a high-risk mission to get those girls. A high-risk mission could fail, Jimmy Carter-style! That would be bad! Some of our more cynical wonkers think that President Kenya Kincaid only cares about the girls because Nigeria = oil $$$. Those wonkers are incorrect. But only Glenn Greenwald is a massive enough dick to say we shouldnt go at all, because we are BAD, BAD, VERY BAD. WORST PEOPLE, US. NO HUMANITARIANISM EVER, because BAD. Here, lets let him tell it...
Virtually all history! That is so much history! We would add in some times that the U.S. intervened in something because it was the morally right thing to do like, we might say when Bill Clinton sent in the Marines to install Jean-Bertrand Aristide as Haitis rightfully elected leader, or, like, we dont know, DACHAU but we are obviously letting our sentimentality blind us to the geopolitical realpolitik that actually undergirded those crap neoliberal imperialist decisions. Would it be colonial or imperial of us to help find the Nigerian schoolgirls, Glenn Greenwald?
from this tweet
is a moron.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Autumn
(45,097 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)dionysus
(26,467 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)deployed snipers to assassinate OWS protestors.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=thread&address=10024910888&info=1#recs
Making the greatest page ain't so sign of merit.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)DU classic. Though moon bombing is probably still my favorite.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023067394
The Dems are starting to wake up and smell the coffee.
We should join forces.
Don't mention Ron Paul on DU you will get eviscerated (they are still brainwashed over that).
Just mention his policies - the ordinary Dems love lots of them.
Anti bankster
Anti war
Anti Corporatism
etc. etc.
http://www.dailypaul.com/290123/one-rule-for-the-rich-and-one-rule-for-the-rest-banksters-snowden-nsa
They have the gov't paid trolls out, trying to limit the outrage & rebellion on there.
If that is the reaction of hard core Dems to the news stories on the NSA, I want to stoke up some more of it.
Lots of traffic on DU.
It's the most popular Dem internet site, except for Huffy Po - where everything meaningful gets censored.
http://www.dailypaul.com/288556/clapper-and-feinstein-get-caught-lying-big-time#comment-3103138
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)miracle you make it out to be.
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)I guess not.
kmlisle
(276 posts)Tin foil hat is in order here
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)dionysus
(26,467 posts)"Tiger Beat" magazine for disgruntled ex dems; the fans are swooning and rushing to defend his honor, as if he was a "messiah"... it's almost as if he has "cultists", who are "apologists" for whenever Greenwald exposes himself as an utter asshole.
with cries of "you never loved him!", dancing in your head...
NOTE: all the stuff in quotes is hurled at DUers daily; the ones support Obama and the Dems
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Really
dionysus
(26,467 posts)I guess you don't like it when the same exact words are used towards different people, do you?
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)idea what irony is.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)iamthebandfanman
(8,127 posts)Hekate
(90,708 posts)I have to agree with you, Sid.
Christ on a Trailer Hitch.
GG has become completely insufferable and his cheerleaders here are starting to look like fools trying to defend this tweet. His entire life has become about trashing the US - even at the expense of over 200 girls getting kidnapped and sold into slavery. He's nothing but a hack and while I never really had much respect for him, now I have zero.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)That's like the fifth time I've seen that statement today.
Something tells me you wish you could.
MattBaggins
(7,904 posts)Why takes side when they are both so amazingly stupid.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Greenwald is a heartless cruel uncaring Libertarian asshole.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)MattBaggins
(7,904 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)dionysus
(26,467 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)in projecting their own ideas of what Greenwald was saying onto his tweet than in actually asking him to elucidate in a longer post that wasn't limited to 140 characters.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)The hate squad would rather shart themselves.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)which all too many DU'ers conveniently ignore.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)and a plethora of posts, some lengthy and barely readable, attempting to explain a 21-word tweet from the World's Most Misunderstood Journalist.
And then there are the grammar "lessons": "Look, if you take out the gist of the tweet, it means exactly the opposite! What are you, a numbnutz or something?".
Maybe he can get someone at First Look at Me Media to do an essay...
LuvLoogie
(7,009 posts)"I'm an asshole."
He can just keep retweeting.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)Supersedeas
(20,630 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)I personally find the tweet to be open to several interpretations, and am not really a fan of 'tweeting' anyway. But if he would step up and at least clarify in more detail what he was trying to communicate, the ensuing pro-anti fight on this particular issue could be put to bed, and not dragged on forever as meta.
It may turn out to be as ugly as what the 'anti-GG' folks think - Lord knows we've seen plenty of folks on the left with feet of clay, who have important messages on one issue, but repulsive ideas on others.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)(whoever the hell wonkette is)
I may disagree with Greenwald over sending military assistance, but I understand his point.
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)quinnox
(20,600 posts)Not surprised to see that, its common to see GG words twisted by rabid kool-aid drinkers.
Greenwald could say, "I think the USA's foreign policy has been severely lacking for the past decade"
And their typical response/interpretation would be - "Communist! Traitor! Why do you hate America?"
iamthebandfanman
(8,127 posts)Im actually very upset with some of the things the president has done, or rather lack of things...
and I still think GG is pompous ass that's full of shit (that fake picture of the 'laptop' that was smashed in one of his articles.. which he claimed right under the photo WAS THE ACTUAL LAPTOP was nothing but random PERSONAL COMPUTER *not laptop* parts.. was the final straw for me and prove of deception)....
Sometimes theres grey areas.. :p
Why is it, in yours and some others minds, that if you disagree with the praise of GG you automatically live in Obamas behind?
Youre only making yourselves look foolish in making those kinds of ASSUMPTIONS.
bobduca
(1,763 posts)I think they call that "selling it"
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)So much for serious discussion on the issues.
OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)When the President's most ardent admirers kept saying that Will called Obama a piece of shit?
Even when presented with the actual quote which showed they were wrong, they kept repeating it, over and over again.
It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.
― Upton Sinclair, I, Candidate for Governor: And How I Got Licked
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)The only thing GG has had to say about this is to trash the US - just like everything he has to say. He ignores Russia's anti LGBT behavior because his puppet Snowden is there and now he's deflecting from this horrific situation for his own self serving reasons. Not one word in support of these women or the people trying to help (at the request of the Nigerian government). He's disgusting.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)I'd actually forgotten her.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)It was bought out...I looked it up on Wikipedia.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)"This is not to say that I was not angry about the attacks. I believed that Islamic extremism posed a serious threat to the country, and I wanted an aggressive response from our government. I was ready to stand behind President Bush and I wanted him to exact vengeance on the perpetrators and find ways to decrease the likelihood of future attacks. During the following two weeks, my confidence in the Bush administration grew as the president gave a series of serious, substantive, coherent, and eloquent speeches that struck the right balance between aggression and restraint. And I was fully supportive of both the presidents ultimatum to the Taliban and the subsequent invasion of Afghanistan when our demands were not met. Well into 2002, the presidents approval ratings remained in the high 60 percent range, or even above 70 percent, and I was among those who strongly approved of his performance. [...]"
http://extremeliberal.wordpress.com/2013/06/07/glenn-greenwald-supported-president-bush-as-he-signed-the-patriot-act/
aquart
(69,014 posts)Not an insightful being is he?
So far as I know, there is not one statement or recorded recollection that mentions Bush asking about the damage to the PEOPLE of Manhattan in those hours after the attack. I waited for that. I never heard it. "Act of war." Who said that? Who allowed that stupidity which elevated al qaida to a nation state and bin Ladin to a head of state? Who failed to stop that framing?
Bush nauseated and terrified me from the getgo on 9/11 but GG was all good with it? How?
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)want to get laid, and smoke dope. He only "evolved" when Iraq became a royal clusterfuck.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Now, I'm sorry. THAT'S something you don't see every day.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)It isn't the first time he's expressed his disdain. Not sure why he doesn't just show me the door.
Number23
(24,544 posts)I wouldn't have known about the Wonkette piece without it.
So glad to see so many folks standing up to Republican hate and bs. The comments are absolutely priceless.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)why not...
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)weighed in on the crap ACA lies that were circulated here. I think people sometimes forget that Skinner, even though he is overly tolerant (IMHO), has set out the mission for this board, and at the end of the day, he rules the roost.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)due to the Palin-esq quality of the writing I was sure it was satire, but it's so much like the inane Greenwald smears we regularly see here, I decided it's real.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)but I rec'ed your thread because it upset Sid.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)DonViejo
(60,536 posts)In response to an op/ed in The Guardian that calls for feminists in the west to support the effort to find 270 teenage Nigerian girls kidnapped by Islamic jahadists known as Boko Haram, Glenn Greenwald tweeted the following:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101692614
Blue_Tires posted the above and more in the linked DU thread.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)I see articles like this all the time and it's what passes for journalism these days.
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Whisp
(24,096 posts)OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)Commie Girl!
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)Tweets are for twits.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)I've followed links to some remarkable dissenting and diverse voices from all over the world. It can be uncomfortable at times but I've never been an advocate for intellectual comfort. It is more a global platform for politics than any other that I have encountered.
I follow a few DUers but zero personal friends.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)...can't adequately begin to be enough space to make a cogent statement or argument in 140 characters. I understand the point he was trying to make about war and in particular our role in killing so many innocent people, but he made it badly.
- No, terribly.
Cha
(297,275 posts)Nevernose
(13,081 posts)Only the American military helicopters?
bobduca
(1,763 posts)Nevernose
(13,081 posts)Sorry!
My point was that lots of people have lots of problems, all over the world, and it is not the US's mission to solve them all. If they need more helicopters for the rescue mission, I'm Derain we have extra.
bobduca
(1,763 posts)I can appreciate the need for Nigerian government to fix this, and not be seen as unable to deal with their own terrorist problem, or have the current political reform movement be seen as weak by opposition.
I was just curious what capabilities the Nigerian air force had today.
Five russian attack helicopters is not much... which was why I posted it.
To your point it looks like many countries are sending advisors and equipment
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/nigeria-offered-canadian-gear-to-help-search-for-kidnapped-girls-1.2634968
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)one-by-one being flung under the DU bus until now there are so very few left to cite.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)He's a libertarian, always has been, always will be.
He's an anti-government type, not a leftwinger.
Voting rights, discrimination, reproductive choice, health care, social justice, unemployment, infrastructure, education, global warming.
He doesn't give a fuck about any of that stuff. He only cares about the evil gubmint and how to combat it.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)moreso referring to Wonkette, who also has been a reliable cite on DU.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Libertarians hated Bush starting in 2005.
Hence the overlap/agreement with folks at DU back then.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)When GG was busy sucking up to the bush administration supporting the Iraq invasion and the Patriot Act he was certainly not popular here. His cheerleaders here just like to forget that part of his writing. I'm in complete agreement with Wonkette.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)So in a way you are right, Greenwald wasn't "popular on DU" then because no one had a clue who he was or what he thought.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)How you can think he was unknown in the age of the internet is bewildering.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)The only reason we know what Greenwald thought before he became well known is that he told us after the fact in one of his books.
I was a regular on Salon at the time Glenn moved there from Unclaimed Territory, his original blog, and I've actually argued directly with him in his feedback and gotten responses from him. He was one of just a few Salon authors/bloggers who would engage directly with his readers in the feedback letters.
Rather like John Cole at Balloon-Juice, Glenn was to a big extent educated by his readers.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)the mold of Pat Buchanan, his warmed over paleo-conservatism would not play as well as it does now.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Go ahead, show me anything to back up what you're claiming, anything at all.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)to do homework for you. I've been here much longer than you and know what I'm talking about. I think Greenwald is nothing but a narcissist who uses people (most recently Snowden) to further his outrageous outrage about the US. Frankly, I'm bored with the subject of him - he's simply not that important and I'm certainly not going to waste one minute of my time proving something that's true.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)I've been here longer than you have, and you can't prove your assertion, because it's just not true.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)"Voting rights, discrimination, reproductive choice, health care, social justice, unemployment, infrastructure, education, global warming.
He doesn't give a fuck about any of that stuff. He only cares about the evil gubmint and how to combat it."
...there's also this GG gem regarding the infamous CU decision:
http://www.salon.com/2010/01/22/citizens_united/
treestar
(82,383 posts)Isn't that wrong? Lock step? I always thought that was wrong.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)1) Greenwald tweeted that after being shown an oped about the kidnappings that only mentioned military intervention in passing. He missed the larger point of it, which was a call for Westerners to show solidarity with the girls.
2) Given this, Wonkette's reaction was entirely understandable. Greenwald has a history of simply finding any way possible of criticizing the US, and using a frankly smug tone when he does. That he took that one line and ran with it is infuriating, even if he does have a point.
3) Greenwald's tweet was utterly tone deaf. It's the implication that communities showing solidarity with others across the globe are too stupid to realize they're being played by the MIC which we see constantly with cases like this.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)...
The technical experts, including a team to be put together by the U.S. Embassy in Abuja, the Nigerian capital, will include U.S. military and law enforcement personnel skilled in intelligence, investigations, hostage negotiating, information sharing and victim assistance, as well as officials with expertise in other areas, White House spokesman Jay Carney said.
The U.S. was not considering sending armed forces, Carney noted.
Obama: US to help Nigeria find kidnapped girls
Were Greenwald to stop pounding out nanny-nanny-boo-boos long enough to actually read on occasion, he could spare himself quite a bit of embarrassment.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Wonkette had him pegged perfectly--it's his typical "the US can only do evil outside his own borders" schtick.
He doesn't give a fuck about human rights in Africa.
SunSeeker
(51,564 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)You care deeply.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Greenwald and his fellow travelers the Koch brothers.
And I've never praised Ron Paul, or called for deporting 'illegals' like Greenwald has.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)to the anti-government rightwing movement of the 1990's. He genuinely believes the US government is evil and should be scaled back.
But he's a progressive.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)your bitter tears are nectar to my soul.
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whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)impersonation of a petulant 8yr old!
dionysus
(26,467 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)i am worried about some of the anti greenwald folks on some of these threads! i hope they remember to breathe! :O
funniest meltdown over misrepresentation of a tweet i ever saw!
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)bobduca
(1,763 posts)just sayin
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)love it. the fact it was alerted on, then complained about to skinner when the jury didn't hide who then actually commented from Olympus pretty much makes it classic.
FSogol
(45,488 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)etc
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alarimer
(16,245 posts)It has epic disaster written all over it.
Should we send in the drones? Then they'd probably all be dead.
Oh but, "We had to kill them to save them" etc.
What exactly does anyone suggest we do? Is he wrong in his assessment that this would be not go well for anyone?
Expecting some kind of "Raid on Entebbe" moment is, I think, a mistake. It's not like they'd all be in one place, say a conveniently placed aircraft.
House to house, village to village searching would no doubt be required. And we know how well that has gone in other places.
treestar
(82,383 posts)What would be enough? Gas chambers for a certain ethnicity?
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Keep crying...
Chan790
(20,176 posts)I'm going to side 100% of the time with Rebecca Schoenkopf?, who I actually respect as a journalist.
Fuck Glenn Greenwald, that seditious piece of shit. I'll continue to boycott wherever he's working as time goes on. It doesn't even matter what he's saying now..."gnosthenes eth philon" (Classical Greek for " A man is) known by(or from) his friends." Greenwald's past associations are sufficient to damn all present and future works.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)I understand that some posters here despise Glenn Greenwald, but seriously-- is Wonkette's position the one you want to take?
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)For around 1% of the people on the planet.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)partisan tools in both parties to drink the koolaid and bankroll the whole endeavor.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)even if not wanted. I personally don't have an opinion one way or the other on whether we should militarily intervene in Nigeria to rescue those women (especially when there are so many women on the streets of the US that were stolen from elsewhere). However, I agree that there are times when limited military intervention is needed--particularly when it comes to human rights violations.
Exultant Democracy
(6,594 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)He's a lying asshole piece of shit who cares nothing for over 200 girls being taken hostage. He only cares about his own Libertarian self.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)stirring as much shit as you can as fast as you can. I'm sure those poor girls will be comforted by your noble efforts in here.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)Wadda chump.
betsuni
(25,537 posts)And they don't allow trolls and idiots to clog up threads and waste everyone's time.