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babylonsister

(171,066 posts)
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 04:51 PM Mar 2012

'Today I'm leaving the Republican Party'

http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/29/10924140-today-im-leaving-the-republican-party

'Today I'm leaving the Republican Party'
By Kent Jones
Video @ link~
Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:25 PM EDT



How sexy is the Republican Party right now? How's this for an answer: a rising political star and decorated Iraq War veteran says he's leaving the party because he's sick of the "games."

California Assemblyman Nathan Fletcher, a candidate for mayor in San Diego who served for a decade in the Marine Corps, has developed the exasperating habit of actually working across the aisle with Democrats to achieve results. You can guess how popular that makes him in of today's GOP, where compromise is another word for treason. So today, Fletcher posted this video on his blog saying he's had enough and is running as an independent. Among the highlights?

"It’s become evident to me that actually focusing on a solution, of actually trying to get things done, isn't the preferred method of political party insiders."

"I believe it is more important to solve a problem than to preserve that problem to use in a campaign."

"I don't believe we have to treat people we disagree with as an enemy . . . I've fought in a war and I've seen the enemy. We don't have enemies in our political environment here."

"In today’s political environment, you're expected to play the game. . . I've been told by many in the Republican Party I'm not very good at this, and there's a reason: I could care less about playing games."

"I fought in a war, I put it all on the line for my country. I didn't go through all that to come back home and run for office, to play games."


Come on out, moderate, goal-oriented Republicans. We know you're out there.
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'Today I'm leaving the Republican Party' (Original Post) babylonsister Mar 2012 OP
My heart just skipped a beat! GopperStopper2680 Mar 2012 #1
Americans Elect might be interested KamaAina Mar 2012 #13
You mean the pimps for making online voting acceptable? eridani Mar 2012 #22
yeah, online 'voting' is impossible if one values free elections Land Shark Mar 2012 #28
Been getting grief from the repugs for not toeing the party line to end pensions for city workers tjwash Mar 2012 #2
That's one of ALEC's pet issues KamaAina Mar 2012 #12
He's telling them to grow the fuck up BeyondGeography Mar 2012 #3
My guess is that he's told them to grow the fuck up many times. Mariana Mar 2012 #10
K&R for reasonableness! Chorophyll Mar 2012 #4
+1! n/t arthritisR_US Mar 2012 #5
K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2012 #6
We need 1000 more elected officials nationwide to do... SamG Mar 2012 #7
+1,000 freshwest Mar 2012 #21
INDEED!!! chervilant Mar 2012 #24
Probably never a die-hard pug in the first place Alcibiades Mar 2012 #8
My inlaws left the repub party after Katrina... cynatnite Mar 2012 #9
Ah yes...Katrina Carla in Sequim Mar 2012 #16
Do (Ba)tell(e)! TahitiNut Mar 2012 #17
True. janx Mar 2012 #40
Powerful Liberalynn Mar 2012 #11
Good for him! CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2012 #14
+1 truebrit71 Mar 2012 #26
K&R littlewolf Mar 2012 #15
See, it's people like this man who make me wonder... Leftist Agitator Mar 2012 #18
actually your beliefs are warranted. iemitsu Mar 2012 #19
An improvement. Needs to resonate. freshwest Mar 2012 #20
The Republican Party The Wizard Mar 2012 #23
He could be talking about some on the left too. JNelson6563 Mar 2012 #25
You may be correct. Jamaal510 Mar 2012 #33
YES, Julie. janx Mar 2012 #37
A Quiet Political Shift Is Going On Beneath The Lamestream Media's Radar Vogon_Glory Mar 2012 #27
I hope you're right. n/t janx Mar 2012 #39
'Bout Fuckin' Time cbrer Mar 2012 #29
And vice versa? How many in this forum like Democrats who work across the aisle? Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #30
Might you be confusing two different things? DFW Mar 2012 #32
I'm not talking about that. There have been plenty of posts... Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #34
I'm with you on that. The Democratic Party has done nothing BUT compromise. Zalatix Mar 2012 #36
"We know you're out there." Who's we? DFW Mar 2012 #31
The cynic in me says he knows he can't win the 'pubbie field outright- haele Mar 2012 #35
Sadly, republicans like Fletcher is the type of republican that started the GOP. bluestate10 Mar 2012 #38
K&R Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #41
 

GopperStopper2680

(397 posts)
1. My heart just skipped a beat!
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 04:55 PM
Mar 2012

I'm ecstatic to hear the words of a REAL PATRIOT running for office. My God, I almost forgot that real Americans still existed in the halls of government. Can hope yet be far away? Would this man perhaps care to run for president?

tjwash

(8,219 posts)
2. Been getting grief from the repugs for not toeing the party line to end pensions for city workers
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 04:59 PM
Mar 2012

Those fucks can't wait to get their greasy mitts on that money. They've been trying to steal the city workers pensions for about 10 years now.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
12. That's one of ALEC's pet issues
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 07:26 PM
Mar 2012

those wonderful folks who brought you "stand your ground" laws and Wisconsin-style union-busting.

http://www.alec.org

Mariana

(14,857 posts)
10. My guess is that he's told them to grow the fuck up many times.
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 06:43 PM
Mar 2012

He's leaving the party because they refuse to do so.

 

SamG

(535 posts)
7. We need 1000 more elected officials nationwide to do...
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 06:15 PM
Mar 2012

the same damn thing, then only the racists and the sexual perverts like O'Reilly and Limbaugh and their followers and wannabe's will be left there.

Alcibiades

(5,061 posts)
8. Probably never a die-hard pug in the first place
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 06:23 PM
Mar 2012

The GOP went shopping for war heroes to run in places where the GOP stalwarts couldn't win, and this guy probably fit the bill at the time, but apparently that was before he knew much about actually being a Republican.

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
9. My inlaws left the repub party after Katrina...
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 06:40 PM
Mar 2012

That was the last straw they said. They were against the Iraq war and Katrina was the last straw. They call themselves independents now and are much happier about the decision.

Carla in Sequim

(228 posts)
16. Ah yes...Katrina
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 07:37 PM
Mar 2012

In the year and a half I protested with Code Pink in 'red-as-blazes' Orange County, Ca., more people showed up After Katrina than any other time. Truly amazing.

Also, my favorite from the original post:

"I believe it is more important to solve a problem than to preserve that problem to use in a campaign."

Amen.

TahitiNut

(71,611 posts)
17. Do (Ba)tell(e)!
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 07:52 PM
Mar 2012


It's no accident that the "golden age" of American politics was in the aftermath of WW2 All those returning GIs who knew war "up close and personal" alongside guys of differing religions, politics, and accents were disabused of the notion that disagreement makes one an 'enemy.'
 

Leftist Agitator

(2,759 posts)
18. See, it's people like this man who make me wonder...
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 08:51 PM
Mar 2012

If my beliefs about (some) Republicans are perhaps unwarranted.

The Wizard

(12,545 posts)
23. The Republican Party
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 08:06 AM
Mar 2012

has left the mainstream and inhabits the fringe. No self respecting American identifies with the far right, fanatical radical, reactionary, goose stepping crackpots that are the current Republican Party. Hatred is not a family value.

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
25. He could be talking about some on the left too.
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 09:33 AM
Mar 2012

For instance, here at DU many seem to think any kind of a compromise is to sell-out. All or nothing seems to be the mindset of certain folks on both sides. The R's are now mired in the tar pits by their all-or-nothing people, so glad that hasn't happened to the Dems, in spite of the efforts of some.

Julie

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
33. You may be correct.
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 03:07 PM
Mar 2012

For example, just the other day while watching the Young Turks, I heard Cenk tell Obama to "never agree with the Republicans". I thought that sounded a little extreme because not every Republican is messed up like that, and I'm sure there are some Republicans out there who are willing to at least entertain the interests of the other side and possibly reach a compromise.

janx

(24,128 posts)
37. YES, Julie.
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 09:33 PM
Mar 2012

Again, we agree.

I admire this guy because he seems sane in an environment so politically charged that people of another political party are referred to as enemies. That is ridiculous, and it is fueled by media that make money by scaring people and pitting them against each other to a ludicrous extent.

Vogon_Glory

(9,118 posts)
27. A Quiet Political Shift Is Going On Beneath The Lamestream Media's Radar
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 10:50 AM
Mar 2012

A quiet political shift is going on beneath the corporate lamestream media's radar. The remaining non-reactionaries in the Senile Elephant Party are waking up and walking away.

There won't be much corporate news commentary on this shift, of course. The corporate news critters and their owners are just too cowed and intimidated by the Republican Party and its "Conservative" bosses to notice what moderate-conservatives are doing. Even daring to notice this shift will bring down threats, bullying and (Oh, the horrors!) "liberal bias."

The moderate-conservatives may not do what Ripon Society Republicans and Rockefeller Republicans have often done and become Democrats. But they won't feel nearly so obliged to pull the Reactionary Right's freight anymore.

 

cbrer

(1,831 posts)
29. 'Bout Fuckin' Time
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 12:38 PM
Mar 2012

This is a nationwide phenomenon. The one percent and it's couple of hundred major contributors are making it abundantly clear what they're about.

And who is excluded...

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
30. And vice versa? How many in this forum like Democrats who work across the aisle?
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 01:23 PM
Mar 2012

Let me think. Hmmm. No, I don't recall seeing many posts extolling the virtues of compromise and working toward solutions by working with the Republicans.

I and a few others have, but most...that's a big no no, and a cardinal offense.

DFW

(54,397 posts)
32. Might you be confusing two different things?
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 02:56 PM
Mar 2012

Barack Obama was the great hand-extender after the election. He tried working across the aisle,
and himself extolled the virtues of it. Once it has been tried, and crowned with rejection and
scorn from the other side of the aisle, one either quits or moves on.

I think very few would deny the virtues of trying to compromise. But by the same token, when the
hand extended is bitten or cut off at the wrist, the message at some point has to be taken for what it
is: "the answer is NO." It has been "NO" since Barack Obama took office. It's not that the offer was
never made. It was made (repeatedly) and refused. It's not a cardinal offense. It's not an offense at all.
It just didn't work. Like we say back home, "dat ain't da same."

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
34. I'm not talking about that. There have been plenty of posts...
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 08:52 PM
Mar 2012

criminalizing any number of reps and senators for not taking a hard left stance, and for considering a compromise of whatever.

There is a time for taking a stance, of course, but you get gridlock and nothing gets done, and you don't advance, if you don't compromise on anything.

Look at all the posts, still, angry that the ACA doesn't include a public option, and that Obama and Reid and others didn't draw a line in the stand on that. If they had, there would have been no reform. Many posters think that's fine, as long as they took a stand. They chose to get a reform bill passed, though.

 

Zalatix

(8,994 posts)
36. I'm with you on that. The Democratic Party has done nothing BUT compromise.
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 09:20 PM
Mar 2012

And look at the mess we're in now. No Medicare for All, no Public Option, instead we have RomneyCare 2.0, we're teetering on the brink of Medicare and Social Security cuts, and now we've got DRONES carrying out summary executions on American citizens without any semblance of due process.

I'm utterly burnt out on Democrats "reaching across the aisle".

DFW

(54,397 posts)
31. "We know you're out there." Who's we?
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 02:48 PM
Mar 2012

I keep waiting and waiting for one to show up.

I think I'd have more luck waiting for Godot.

haele

(12,659 posts)
35. The cynic in me says he knows he can't win the 'pubbie field outright-
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 09:13 PM
Mar 2012

So he thinks he might be able to pull off the moderates from both the Republican field and the contrarian Democrats (and there are a lot of them in San Diego - basically libertarians who aren't religious) who might not want to see Bob Filner as Mayor because they're scared of having a "raging liberal" in charge.

As a politician, he is an okay moderate, but he's still a bit leery of being "progressive".

Haele

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
38. Sadly, republicans like Fletcher is the type of republican that started the GOP.
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 09:34 PM
Mar 2012

Yet, those people would not stand a chance in a republican primary in the modern republican party. They have no place to really go if they want to be part of solutions other than try to become part of the center-right wing of the democratic party. Being from the center-left wing of the democratic party, I am not sure that I would welcome them, but I would not attempt to keep them out or silence them and would look forward to discussing rational ideas they their wing of the party has.

There are some on DU that rip the democratic party for being at the center. Those DU members never criticize even the more rightwing republicans, saving the ire and venom for democrats and our President.

Liberal and moderate republicans reading this, you have no where to go, your party doesn't want you. That reality won't change. The party that you loved is gone, it has been taken over by extremists. If you want to have real say in the future of this country, you must leave the republican party now. You are no longer in the party of Lincoln, as a matter of fact, Lincoln would have a problem even getting elected to Congress from your party today, less yet elected President. You aren't bad people, I am politically distant from you, but I have met some of you and call some of you friends. You are thoughtful, you don't hate, you have some good ideas and some that aren't so good. Save yourself before you sacrifice your soul.

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