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Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
Thu May 1, 2014, 02:29 PM May 2014

Another consequence of "hate speech" laws- guy in UK questioned by police over this sign:



A local businessman who had been questioned by the police after he erected a large illuminated sign asking: “Dear Father Christmas all we really need is our country back!” will not be facing any further action Hampshire Police have said.

Timothy ‘Dusty’ Miller (64) who runs Hedge End based Millers Taxis has erected the sign outside his house at the bottom of Sunday’s Hill, Botley in full view of the passing traffic on the busy main road.

Last week he explained to Ray Turner that he had put the sign up because he wanted the UK to leave the EU and also expressed strong views on the EU, freemasonry, Catholicism and the ‘common purpose’ leadership development programme.

....

Officers from Hampshire Constabulary visited Miller yesterday morning and he was later questioned informally. According to Mr Miller, a police officer told him they had received ‘quite a few’ (number unspecified) complaints about the sign and asked him how long he intended to display it.

....

In a statement Hampshire Police said: "We are aware of the sign and that some people have complained because they feel it may have racist connotations. We have spoken to the property owner who erected the sign and he has told us the sign reflects a political view rather than a racial one. As the wording of the sign is not in itself racist or offensive, no criminal offence is being committed.”

http://www.eastleighnews.co.uk/2013/12/police-probe-ukip-cabbies-santa-sign/


I bet many people in the UK simply will display no signs at all, in order to avoid an unpleasant visit and grilling by the local constabulary.



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Another consequence of "hate speech" laws- guy in UK questioned by police over this sign: (Original Post) Nye Bevan May 2014 OP
There are no hate speech laws, there are hate crime laws Bjorn Against May 2014 #1
That's from the UK, where there are hate speech laws. NuclearDem May 2014 #2
I missed that part, thanks Bjorn Against May 2014 #3
Sorry, I edited the OP to clarify (nt) Nye Bevan May 2014 #6
What point are you trying to make here? surrealAmerican May 2014 #4
"Vaguely threatening"? Really? (nt) Nye Bevan May 2014 #5

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
1. There are no hate speech laws, there are hate crime laws
Thu May 1, 2014, 02:49 PM
May 2014

Hate speech is legal, there are no laws against it. Hate crimes are illegal but they have to involve an actual crime, they usually involve violence or vandalism.

If the police questioned someone over that sign they were clearly wrong, but this has nothing to do with non-existant hate speech laws.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
2. That's from the UK, where there are hate speech laws.
Thu May 1, 2014, 02:52 PM
May 2014

Though given the content, I can see how it could be confused for an American white supremacist.

surrealAmerican

(11,361 posts)
4. What point are you trying to make here?
Thu May 1, 2014, 02:54 PM
May 2014

In this case, the man put up a big sign; people complained; the police asked him a few questions - didn't arrest him, didn't fine him, didn't have him take the sign down - and left. Given the vaguely threatening language of the sign, I'm not sure that was unwarranted, and no actual harm was done to the man who put the sign up.

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