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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Thu May 1, 2014, 10:50 AM May 2014

Cop Beats Up Young Man with Down Syndrome for Packing…a Colostomy Bag



This is apparently what happens when a 22-year-old with down syndrome attempts to walk half a block home at 9:30 at night by himself in Miami-Dade, Florida.

Gilberto Powell says the police were following him in their cruiser as he was walking home. The police report says the officers decided to stop Gilberto after they noticed a “bulge” in Gilberto’s pants. After an officer tried to conduct a patdown, the report claims Gilberto attempted to flee.

Gilberto denies trying to run away and says he did everything the officer asked him to do. What happened next resulted in the photograph above.

After Powell was finally handcuffed and questioned, the officers realized he was “mentally challenged, was not capable of understanding our commands, and that the bulge in his waistband was a colostomy bag,” the report said. (source)


By that time, Gilberto had been hit, knocked to the ground and the bag had reportedly been ripped from his body. The father says by the time he and Gilberto’s mother ran outside to their son, the cops had removed Gilberto’s pants and had him out there in his boxer shorts.

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http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/05/01/cop-beats-young-man-syndrome-packinga-colostomy-bag/
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Cop Beats Up Young Man with Down Syndrome for Packing…a Colostomy Bag (Original Post) n2doc May 2014 OP
Beat the fuck out of them first ...ask questions later. L0oniX May 2014 #1
Cops with a vengeance in mind looking for a hit. n/t RKP5637 May 2014 #2
And claimed he didn't know the boy had Down Syndrome. pnwmom May 2014 #60
I have a feeling it went down a little differently than the cops said Warpy May 2014 #85
I think we all know who the real colostomy bag is in this story Blue Owl May 2014 #3
No, he's not the bag. Aristus May 2014 #9
Skin's the bag. Lancero May 2014 #14
Every day the cops abuse innocent Americans. nt ladjf May 2014 #4
Weren't we all supposed to spend our time being scared of Teh Terrorists? hatrack May 2014 #5
Cops Jesus Malverde May 2014 #6
I assume Stryst May 2014 #40
Preferential hiring of vets with PTSD is a guarantee of disaster Divernan May 2014 #72
Also explains the 80 s phenomena known as going postal. Jesus Malverde May 2014 #73
You Couldn't Be More Wrong The River May 2014 #86
My 1st "clue" is based on experience with Nam vets (who only had 1 tour of duty) Divernan May 2014 #87
If You Aren't a Vet with PTSD The River May 2014 #98
You are a perfect example of why "mental health professionals" are not to be trusted. MindPilot May 2014 #100
I doubt there is a "preferential hiring of vets with PTSD". I believe it's simply whathehell May 2014 #92
Many, especially small town, police depts. not equipped to efficiently screen. Divernan May 2014 #95
High fives all around down at the cop bar. nm rhett o rick May 2014 #7
Not safe from terrorists half a block from home. Downwinder May 2014 #8
^^This exactly. Who are the real terrorists? txwhitedove May 2014 #75
Living while black is a death sentence malaise May 2014 #10
+1 lunasun May 2014 #26
that is one stupid cop demigoddess May 2014 #11
I don't care who you are, when an officer gives you a command, you obey 951-Riverside May 2014 #12
And if that command is to jump off the bridge, you would.....? Tribalceltic May 2014 #21
Um, way to miss the point... truebluegreen May 2014 #22
There is a huge amount of sarcasm in that post. nt awoke_in_2003 May 2014 #23
WhOOSH!!!! nt msanthrope May 2014 #24
Of course they would not command one to jump off a bridge... yawnmaster May 2014 #33
You wouldn't have to wait for a command. FreedRadical May 2014 #37
I believe you missed something here . . . Brigid May 2014 #71
Satire. WinkyDink May 2014 #81
So, what you're saying is onecaliberal May 2014 #39
You're taking for granted what the police do for us every day of the year penultimate May 2014 #44
Basically, some people have an intrinsic trust of he LEO... I don't .. the LEOs in an area have to uponit7771 May 2014 #62
Do you need a primer on "Developmental Delays" Ilsa May 2014 #43
No, actually I do not onecaliberal May 2014 #54
That comment was not directed at you, but to Ilsa May 2014 #59
Sorry about that. onecaliberal May 2014 #65
Riverside was being blatantly sarcastic. nt tblue37 May 2014 #68
I don't know this poster. And given the fact that Ilsa May 2014 #69
One of the most bizarro sub-threads I've seen around these parts in some time. Hassin Bin Sober May 2014 #97
There are different levels pipi_k May 2014 #57
Yes, they should be taught NOT to trust local LEOs and view them as threats and not there to help uponit7771 May 2014 #63
They acknowledged that the boy couldn't understand their commands. pnwmom May 2014 #61
... that wasn't doing a damn thing. Every guy with a "bulge" in their pants might as well just don't uponit7771 May 2014 #64
fuck tha police frylock May 2014 #13
Surprising how often that reply fits, isn't it? FiveGoodMen May 2014 #53
i'm getting tired of typing it quite frankly frylock May 2014 #56
Happened in 2011. Officer had quite a history Blue Diadem May 2014 #15
jezus effing christ. BlancheSplanchnik May 2014 #29
It's time for all good citizens to demand Ilsa May 2014 #45
And So It Goes . . . cer7711 May 2014 #16
The pigs responsible should be fired immediately and prosecuted MynameisBlarney May 2014 #17
2011 story Android3.14 May 2014 #18
There will be an Internal Affairs Review lpbk2713 May 2014 #19
WAY TO GO, BARNEY FIFE. eShirl May 2014 #20
And who's hiring them? Serious deficiencies in judgment here. gtar100 May 2014 #82
Here's link from a real news site about this three year old story Bonx May 2014 #25
ABC video lunasun May 2014 #30
You really believe that was done with an open hand? Savannahmann May 2014 #48
Not sure what you're going on about Bonx May 2014 #50
Thug with a badge. Too many of them and police commanders don't care. nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2014 #27
Sue. Sue. Sue. Gilberto and his mom can live in a pricey gated community, where MADem May 2014 #28
Sickening .. Stuart G May 2014 #31
Police brutality is alive and well Rider3 May 2014 #32
well the only things they undetatand is the loss of money weissmam May 2014 #34
They're trained? We're suppose to believe the cops are trained..let them prove it and sue them. Jefferson23 May 2014 #35
Oh, what a surprise... Inkfreak May 2014 #36
What in the onecaliberal May 2014 #38
that is wrong heaven05 May 2014 #41
I'm not going to shed too many tears when people start shooting these sadistic assholes. Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #42
I wonder about that. KansDem May 2014 #67
I had that same thought in the thread about the cop abusing his K-9. MindPilot May 2014 #101
Police are not your friends! Harmony Blue May 2014 #46
You are 100% correct onecaliberal May 2014 #55
My son has Asperger's Syndrome and I have liberalhistorian May 2014 #74
I have a hearing loss & I always state that up front in dealing with security/cops. Divernan May 2014 #88
That would give the police onecaliberal May 2014 #96
We really need to do something with our police forces to attract less hot headed morons penultimate May 2014 #47
Superior intellect is not wanted in police work. lpbk2713 May 2014 #49
It's like I say, back when TV shows looked like this... Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #52
I agree, actually... pipi_k May 2014 #58
Immaturity damnedifIknow May 2014 #51
Another disgrace to America and to any selfrespecting police force. It appears that there were more jwirr May 2014 #66
This is what happens imthevicar May 2014 #70
Yeah cops. . .badge sniffers, please defend this. It's not all of them, only the bad ones Nanjing to Seoul May 2014 #76
So what part of walking down the street with a bulge in your pants is illegal and DebJ May 2014 #77
Serve and protect. Right. nt valerief May 2014 #78
Sick! As a disabled woman with MS who wobbles a little when walking... Jasana May 2014 #79
and if he wasnt down syndrome? was the beating necessary? Liberal_in_LA May 2014 #80
At least grandpamike1 May 2014 #83
Not trying to cause any trouble here, but this was news from September 2011. Sarah Ibarruri May 2014 #84
This is horrible! tofuandbeer May 2014 #89
This type behavior is becoming more common... bobGandolf May 2014 #90
As long as we as a culture The Wizard May 2014 #91
It is graduation time soon. dotymed May 2014 #93
We wait for the kkk or skinheads to do this kind of behavior so only then we can claimed Javaman May 2014 #94
Fear the police obxhead May 2014 #99
Fucking cops..stupid asses. SummerSnow May 2014 #102

Warpy

(111,261 posts)
85. I have a feeling it went down a little differently than the cops said
Thu May 1, 2014, 11:28 PM
May 2014

and that the kid was cooperating and Ossifer Gunslinger grabbed the bag and shit went everywhere. And that's when the beating happened.

That is one stupid asshole cop. I hope his career is over. I hope the family sues.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
6. Cops
Thu May 1, 2014, 11:02 AM
May 2014


The war on drugs, and preferential hiring of veterans has created a police force that views us all as insurgents rather than citizens.

Stryst

(714 posts)
40. I assume
Thu May 1, 2014, 01:06 PM
May 2014

...that all that hardware is to deal with a report of some kids smoking pot somewhere. Or a black guy walking through a white neighborhood.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
72. Preferential hiring of vets with PTSD is a guarantee of disaster
Thu May 1, 2014, 07:40 PM
May 2014

in any occupation requiring them to be armed.

The River

(2,615 posts)
86. You Couldn't Be More Wrong
Fri May 2, 2014, 12:05 AM
May 2014

and now owe every vet with PTSD an apology for this patently uninformed statement.
You haven't a clue.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
87. My 1st "clue" is based on experience with Nam vets (who only had 1 tour of duty)
Fri May 2, 2014, 12:59 AM
May 2014

Another "clue" is based on working with first responders and law enforcement personnel and seeing the extreme stress levels with which they must deal. Another "clue" is the definition of PTSD, which is that it is a "debilitating" mental disorder. Another clue is that I was a post-grad National Institute of Mental Health Fellow for three years and am familiar with the diagnostic criteria (referenced below) for this condition. Put all those together, and I very reasonably conclude that anyone who has been medically diagnosed with PTSD should not be working in an armed capacity.

So no, I don't owe vets with PTSD an apology for positing that they should not be employed in an armed capacity. In fact, to the extent that they have in fact been medically diagnosed with this disorder, carrying weapons and being involved in any use of said weapons would only exacerbate their PTSD. The US govt. and MIC, on the other hand, owe all our vets an apology for involving them in every needless war, i.e, every war following WW Two.

Here's the latest fact sheet on PTSD from the DSM - V:
http://www.dsm5.org/Documents/PTSD%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf


Posttraumatic Stress Disorder

Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) will be included in a new chapter in DSM-5 on Trauma- and Stressor-Related Disorders. This move from DSM-IV, which addressed PTSD as an anxiety disorder, is among several changes approved for this condition that is increasingly at the center of public as well as professional discussion. The diagnostic criteria for the manual’s next edition identify the trigger to PTSD as exposure to actual or threatened death, serious injury or sexual violation. The exposure must result from one or more of the following scenarios, in which the individual:

directly experiences the traumatic event;

witnesses the traumatic event in person;

learns that the traumatic event occurred to a close family member or close friend (with the actual or threatened death being either violent or accidental); or

experiences first-hand repeated or extreme exposure to aversive details of the traumatic event (not through media, pictures, television or movies unless work-related).

The disturbance, regardless of its trigger, causes clinically significant distress or impairment in the individual’s social interactions, capacity to work or other important areas of functioning. It is not the physiological result of another medical condition, medication, drugs or alcohol.
Changes in PTSD Criteria
Compared to DSM-IV, the diagnostic criteria for DSM-5 draw a clearer line when detailing what constitutes a traumatic event. Sexual assault is specifically included, for example, as is a recurring exposure that could apply to police officers or first responders. Language stipulating an individual’s response to the event—intense fear, helplessness or horror, according to DSM-IV—has been deleted because that criterion proved to have no utility in predicting the onset of PTSD. DSM-5 pays more attention to the behavioral symptoms that accompany PTSD and proposes four distinct diagnostic clusters instead of three. They are described as re-experiencing, avoidance, negative cognitions and mood, and arousal.

Re-experiencing covers spontaneous memories of the traumatic event, recurrent dreams related to it, flashbacks or other intense or prolonged psychological distress. Avoidance refers to distressing memories, thoughts, feelings or external reminders of the event. Negative cognitions and mood represents myriad feelings, from a persistent and distorted sense of
blame of self or others, to estrangement from others or markedly diminished interest in activities, to an inability to remember key aspects of the event. Finally, arousal is marked by aggressive, reckless or self-destructive behavior, sleep disturbances, hyper-
vigilance or related problems. The current manual emphasizes the “flight” aspect associated with PTSD; the criteria of DSM-5 also account for the “fight” reaction often seen.
2 •
Posttraumatic Stress Disorder
The number of symptoms that must be identified depends on the cluster. DSM-5 would only require that a disturbance continue for more than a month and would eliminate the distinction between acute and chronic phases of PTSD.
PTSD Preschool Subtype and PTSD Dissociative Subtype
DSM-5 will include the addition of two subtypes: PTSD in children younger than 6 years and PTSD with prominent dissociative symptoms (either experiences of feeling detached from one’s own mind or body, or experiences in which the world seems unreal, dreamlike or distorted).

PTSD Debate within the Military
Certain military leaders, both active and retired, believe the word “disorder” makes many soldiers who are experiencing PTSD symptoms reluctant to ask for help. They have urged a change to rename the disorder posttraumatic stress injury, a description that they say is more in line with the language of troops and would reduce stigma.
But others believe it is the military environment that needs to change, not the name of the disorder, so that mental health care is more accessible and soldiers are encouraged to seek it in a timely fashion. Some attendees at the 2012 APA Annual Meeting, where this was discussed in a session, also questioned whether injury is too imprecise a word for a medical diagnosis.

In DSM-5, PTSD will continue to be identified as a disorder.
DSM is the manual used by clinicians and researchers to diagnose and classify mental disorders. The American Psychiatric Association (APA) will publish DSM-5 in 2013, culminating a 14-year revision process. For more information, go to www.DSM5.org.
APA is a national medical specialty society whose more than 36,000 physician members specialize in the diagnosis, treatment, prevention and research of mental illnesses, including substance use disorders. Visit the APA at www.psychiatry.org
and
www.healthyminds.org
. For more information, please contact Eve Herold at 703-907-8640 or
press@psych.org
.
© 2013 American Psychiatric Association

The River

(2,615 posts)
98. If You Aren't a Vet with PTSD
Fri May 2, 2014, 03:02 PM
May 2014

You don't have the standing to made such a broadly negative statement.
You can cite all the research you want but that still doesn't make you qualified
Maybe, after you've served a few tours of duty in combat, you might just figure it out.
Until then, know this; myself and nearly every vet I know laughs at how clueless the shrinks are.

 

MindPilot

(12,693 posts)
100. You are a perfect example of why "mental health professionals" are not to be trusted.
Fri May 2, 2014, 03:16 PM
May 2014

Just like cops, psychologist and psychiatrists are not your friends.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
92. I doubt there is a "preferential hiring of vets with PTSD". I believe it's simply
Fri May 2, 2014, 09:52 AM
May 2014

preferential hiring of veterans and I would be very surprised if the vets weren't

screened for PTSD.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
95. Many, especially small town, police depts. not equipped to efficiently screen.
Fri May 2, 2014, 11:01 AM
May 2014

They may have candidates fill out some multiple choice psych tests - easy to fool. Their officers don't receive training on either recognizing or dealing with various mental illnesses.
It has also been noted that many vets do not seek mental health treatment for PTSD because once such a diagnosis is on their record, it can have lifelong effects on remaining in the military, promotions in the military and civilian employment possibilities. If employment screening asks, "Have you ever been diagnosed with or treated for mental disabilities or illnesses?", it is up to the candidate to self report.

According to Department of Veterans Affairs mental health workers interviewed for this article, there are many vets who simply avoid seeking help because they don't want to be labeled with PTSD. They have heard stories of how some employers make the jump from military service to PTSD with little effort, lumping all veterans into the PTSD category. The fact is that the percentage of veterans experiencing mental health issues is no greater than the rest of society. It's just that there is more attention paid to veterans' mental health issues than the rest of society.

malaise

(269,004 posts)
10. Living while black is a death sentence
Thu May 1, 2014, 11:08 AM
May 2014

This is beyond disgusting - more cruel and inhumane punishment.

demigoddess

(6,641 posts)
11. that is one stupid cop
Thu May 1, 2014, 11:10 AM
May 2014

if he can't identify someone with Down's syndrome. I've seen small children who identify my daughter as handicapped within seconds of seeing her. Surely an adult should know a Down's syndrome person when he sees one.

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
12. I don't care who you are, when an officer gives you a command, you obey
Thu May 1, 2014, 11:15 AM
May 2014

and you thank the officer for your very existence, for without them there would be no life. When I see a police officer chariot parked in front of a fire hydrant at the Donut shop I get on my knees and thank Ford for being bestowed with the responsibility of transporting these 350+ lb behemoths.

Praises be to police officers and as we Copists Copstians always say "the tape doesnt tell the whole story".

Amen.

yawnmaster

(2,812 posts)
33. Of course they would not command one to jump off a bridge...
Thu May 1, 2014, 12:52 PM
May 2014

unless it was necessary.
so if the command is given, one should jump!
why wouldn't one, especially if it is for the common good???

FreedRadical

(518 posts)
37. You wouldn't have to wait for a command.
Thu May 1, 2014, 01:01 PM
May 2014

They'll just throw you off. Or shoot you to keep you from jumping.

onecaliberal

(32,861 posts)
39. So, what you're saying is
Thu May 1, 2014, 01:04 PM
May 2014

If you are developmentally delayed, and do not have the ability to completely understand what is being asked, you don't have the right to walk on the public sidewalk that tax dollars fund? That the cops can assault you? Really?

penultimate

(1,110 posts)
44. You're taking for granted what the police do for us every day of the year
Thu May 1, 2014, 01:14 PM
May 2014

How safe would you feel walking down the street if it wasn't for police keeping all those colostomy bag packing 'thugs' with down syndrome off the streets?

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
62. Basically, some people have an intrinsic trust of he LEO... I don't .. the LEOs in an area have to
Thu May 1, 2014, 03:01 PM
May 2014

... prove themselves and following a person with Downs is pretty freakin stupid

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
43. Do you need a primer on "Developmental Delays"
Thu May 1, 2014, 01:13 PM
May 2014

And "Mental Retardation?" Because it sure looks like it.

Oh wait! Be careful: if you don't understand, the cops might beat the shit out of you.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
59. That comment was not directed at you, but to
Thu May 1, 2014, 02:48 PM
May 2014

The riverside poster. It was a reply to that poster. I haven't seen your post.

I have a child with severe DD as well. And while I would never permit him to roam unsupervised, sometimes shit happens (accidents, etc) where folks with developmental delays might be roaming about. I know one family where a parent has to be up all night to prevent their nonverbal child from leaving as she has done before. The police found her wandering the streets at 3am.

onecaliberal

(32,861 posts)
65. Sorry about that.
Thu May 1, 2014, 04:30 PM
May 2014

I agree things do happen. It's sad that our people can't even trust the police, that people like he fear that police will one day injure my child or worse.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
69. I don't know this poster. And given the fact that
Thu May 1, 2014, 06:28 PM
May 2014

DU has its share of trolls and was absent, I took the poster at his word. I had no reason not to.

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
57. There are different levels
Thu May 1, 2014, 02:32 PM
May 2014

of mental retardation.

I worked in Human Services with two of them.

One, the group that was non-verbal, and needed 24/7 supervision.


Two, the group that was higher functioning and had a pretty free rein of the town they lived in.

If they're able enough to go around town freely, they should also be taught certain things. Like, for instance, not to run away from the police if they stop you. Now, someone either dropped the ball with that poor guy, or...also likely...he heard some idiots talking about how EVIL the cops are.

Oh, and in the article it said how the cops "should have known" from his appearance that he was Downs Syndrome. Again...one young woman I knew...it was not readily apparent that she had developmental disabilities until you got right up close to her and she spoke.

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
63. Yes, they should be taught NOT to trust local LEOs and view them as threats and not there to help
Thu May 1, 2014, 03:02 PM
May 2014

... that would keep them alive much more than not

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
61. They acknowledged that the boy couldn't understand their commands.
Thu May 1, 2014, 02:57 PM
May 2014

So what do you do in that case?

And how stupid are the police that they couldn't recognize a 5 foot 3 inch boy with Down Syndrome?

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
64. ... that wasn't doing a damn thing. Every guy with a "bulge" in their pants might as well just don't
Thu May 1, 2014, 03:03 PM
May 2014

... walk on those side walks...

Blue Diadem

(6,597 posts)
15. Happened in 2011. Officer had quite a history
Thu May 1, 2014, 11:39 AM
May 2014

My heart breaks for Gilberto. I hope he's been able to recover both physically and emotionally. Nothing was done over it either, it took the cop being found drunk, shirtless & in his police vehicle before he was charged and suspended.

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2011/12/fernando_villa_dui_cop_was_inv.php

On December 6, a Miami-Dade cop named Fernando Villa made national headlines by passing out drunk behind the wheel of his squad car, naked but for a pair of cargo shorts, with only his drunken foot preventing the vehicle from rolling into a busy West Kendall intersection.

The 32-year-old officer has been charged and suspended, but Riptide decided to dig deeper into his police file. What we found is scary: eight internal investigations, some with disturbing allegations.


http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2011/12/fernando_villa_half-dressed_dr.php

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
29. jezus effing christ.
Thu May 1, 2014, 12:31 PM
May 2014

Typical....it takes getting caught in flagrant delicto before authoritarians apply their Rules n Regulations to their own.

cer7711

(502 posts)
16. And So It Goes . . .
Thu May 1, 2014, 11:47 AM
May 2014

As Kurt Vonnegut used to say.

I hope this man (or his family) sues and wins a multi-million-$$ settlement for the outrages visited upon his person.

There is no excuse for this. None.

MynameisBlarney

(2,979 posts)
17. The pigs responsible should be fired immediately and prosecuted
Thu May 1, 2014, 11:48 AM
May 2014

to the fullest extent of the law, and then sued in civil court for every damn penny they've got.

This shit has to stop.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
18. 2011 story
Thu May 1, 2014, 11:49 AM
May 2014

What they did was wrong, but the story is old.
While DCClothesline.com has this listed as a May 1 story, all of the material is from September, 2011.
http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhNQJ90mp0RLjQ9nir
Bad journalism on the part of DCClothesline.com
At this point, I would like to know what happened to the case. Did they sue? Did the cops receive a reprimand? Is our outrage still unanswered or did justice prevail?

lpbk2713

(42,757 posts)
19. There will be an Internal Affairs Review
Thu May 1, 2014, 12:00 PM
May 2014

.

Which means ... some good ole boys will gather around a table behind a
locked door. They'll drink a few cups of coffee, tell a few jokes (this event
will no doubt inspire a few jokes about "retards&quot and then they will arrive
at a unanimous decision that will leave the officers involved and the entire
department blameless and will show the victim was at fault for his injuries
and his public humiliation. In their benevolence they will let Gilberto go
this time with a warning.


gtar100

(4,192 posts)
82. And who's hiring them? Serious deficiencies in judgment here.
Thu May 1, 2014, 10:50 PM
May 2014

We need a top down *and* bottom up cleanup of our police departments. Too many of the wrong types of people are working in law enforcement.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
48. You really believe that was done with an open hand?
Thu May 1, 2014, 01:29 PM
May 2014

There is some garbage here, and we'll begin with that lie. I'll call it a lie, look at the eye in the picture. It's blown red, which means the blow(s) were severe enough and brutal enough to cause bleeding in the eyeball itself. That is not going to happen from a single open hand slap.

But let's consider that alleged open hand slap for a moment, why use it? A common sense approach would have been to subdue or take the suspect into custody, which means control. That is not most efficiently accomplished by the alleged open hand slap. The open hand slap is punishing, how dare you if you will.

But again, the bruises are inconsistant with that type of blow. They are more consistant with a hard object, fist or some sort of club, being used to strike the face. The police are lying, as usual, downplaying the amount of force used, pretending when they are in the spotlight that they are absolutely reasonable and this is a very tragic accident in which they with good intentions stumbled into.

They brutalized a boy, and assumed they would get away with it. Then they discovered that the boy had special needs, and then realized that they will need an excuse that the fellow cops and cop lovers would support.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
28. Sue. Sue. Sue. Gilberto and his mom can live in a pricey gated community, where
Thu May 1, 2014, 12:25 PM
May 2014

everybody knows his name.

I say that kind of agony is worth millions.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
35. They're trained? We're suppose to believe the cops are trained..let them prove it and sue them.
Thu May 1, 2014, 12:58 PM
May 2014

This poor kid is traumatized and they say, I am not a doctor.

Fucking stupid asses and or vicious men who do not belong on any police force in the US.

Inkfreak

(1,695 posts)
36. Oh, what a surprise...
Thu May 1, 2014, 01:00 PM
May 2014

Cops are so predictable. If it doesn't bow, blow it away. I'm tired of reading these stories. And it'll never change. We may be free people but there's always a pig around the corner to remind us..we're free to a point.

onecaliberal

(32,861 posts)
38. What in the
Thu May 1, 2014, 01:01 PM
May 2014

complete fucking hell was their first clue? The police state is completely out of control. I hope those parents sue the holy hell out of that department, and why isn't the DA looking into assault charges. That boy was simply walking home. What the hell is going on in this country.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
41. that is wrong
Thu May 1, 2014, 01:08 PM
May 2014

how is it that police have such difficulty policing in amerika that they are resorting to this type of behavior as a matter of course rather than an incident like this being something rare? America you went wrong when you let reagan, bush's election theft, darth cheney, the kochhead brothers, ALEC and PNAC determine our destiny. I hope this family get restitution for the abhorrent behavior of these florida(again) 'police officers'. That kid is in a lot of pain.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
67. I wonder about that.
Thu May 1, 2014, 05:13 PM
May 2014

What would I do if someone is being beaten by the police. What if I sensed that person's life might be in danger? Do I do something about it? Or do I stand idly by and "not get involved."

I remember an incident a few years ago when my daughter, in her late teens, was pulled over in front of our house by the police. Her tag had expired. I was on the front porch when she pulled up with a police car behind her. He had just turned on his lights. I thought "what's going on?" and stepped out into the yard to see if everything was all right. The cop was getting out of his car and told me to stay where I was. I was about 30-35 feet away.

I stood there while he issued her a ticket, but afterward I thought "What would I do if this contact between my daughter and the cop spiraled out of control? We've seen that happen time after time on YouTube videos. What if he forcibly pulled her out of the car? I don't think I could just stand there and watch my daughter's life threatened by a cop.

I think I'd become a story on the 5 o'clock news...

 

MindPilot

(12,693 posts)
101. I had that same thought in the thread about the cop abusing his K-9.
Fri May 2, 2014, 03:25 PM
May 2014

I think if I were to witness that, I would just lose it.

Harmony Blue

(3,978 posts)
46. Police are not your friends!
Thu May 1, 2014, 01:15 PM
May 2014

Unless you personally know them as friends, sisters, borthers, aunts, uncles, cousins, etec don't talk to police unless you have to!

onecaliberal

(32,861 posts)
55. You are 100% correct
Thu May 1, 2014, 02:28 PM
May 2014

I tell my adult developmentally disabled son, the cops are not his friend. I NEVER let him even walk to the mailbox alone. Seems my "fears" are justified. I've heard of this happening almost daily somewhere.

liberalhistorian

(20,818 posts)
74. My son has Asperger's Syndrome and I have
Thu May 1, 2014, 08:53 PM
May 2014

drilled him relentlessly on how to behave with the police. I just hope to God he actually remembers and follows it should he ever, indeed, be pulled over. It really scares me, frankly. My son jokes that "I'm white, so it's less likely to happen to me", which certainly is true, but the way the police are now, with no understanding of or tolerance for any kind of neurological differences, and with them considering the average person as a threat no matter what and shooting and tasering at the slightest movement, you never, ever know.

He's been with me when I've been pulled over for traffic tickets; I have a hearing impairment and have been fortunate that they usually understand, except for one who didn't, when my son had to "translate". But he saw how angry the cop was before he understood and how he wouldn't listen at first to my explanations as to why I wasn't fully complying with his orders to pull to a certain part of the road. I think that had an impact on him and hopefully he will listen to my instructions on how to behave with them.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
88. I have a hearing loss & I always state that up front in dealing with security/cops.
Fri May 2, 2014, 01:08 AM
May 2014

Even with hearing aids, when in some situations with high background level noise, I have difficulty understanding what people say. Particularly going through security at an airport. I say, "I have a hearing loss. If I do not immediately respond to an instruction it may well be that I didn't understand what you said."

onecaliberal

(32,861 posts)
96. That would give the police
Fri May 2, 2014, 12:18 PM
May 2014

Just the excuse they need because you didn't properly respond to their "commands"

penultimate

(1,110 posts)
47. We really need to do something with our police forces to attract less hot headed morons
Thu May 1, 2014, 01:18 PM
May 2014

Police forces should only be allowed to hire people who demonstrate more rational and level thought processes.

lpbk2713

(42,757 posts)
49. Superior intellect is not wanted in police work.
Thu May 1, 2014, 01:50 PM
May 2014



This has been taken to court and upheld.

Link: http://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836


Apparently the ideal cop is a bully and a "tough guy".


 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
52. It's like I say, back when TV shows looked like this...
Thu May 1, 2014, 01:59 PM
May 2014




It encouraged DECENT PEOPLE to join the force.

Now the shows are like this:



Where the cops chase down poor people and throw them to the ground. This encourages those guys on the high school wrestling team to join the force.

Remember those guys?

They were the types to toss someone smaller than them in a locker.

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
58. I agree, actually...
Thu May 1, 2014, 02:35 PM
May 2014

just like in nearly any profession, there will be some who will try to take advantage of their real...or imagined..."power".

damnedifIknow

(3,183 posts)
51. Immaturity
Thu May 1, 2014, 01:58 PM
May 2014

Always looking to have others think they're the tough guy. These punks need a good spanking and sent to their room without supper.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
66. Another disgrace to America and to any selfrespecting police force. It appears that there were more
Thu May 1, 2014, 04:38 PM
May 2014

than one of them. As ignorant as some of the people running this nation.

 

imthevicar

(811 posts)
70. This is what happens
Thu May 1, 2014, 07:13 PM
May 2014

When you give a sociopath with an IQ of 110 or lower, a badge, Gun, Body armor, and no civilian oversight.

DebJ

(7,699 posts)
77. So what part of walking down the street with a bulge in your pants is illegal and
Thu May 1, 2014, 10:11 PM
May 2014

requires an officer to investigate?

Jasana

(490 posts)
79. Sick! As a disabled woman with MS who wobbles a little when walking...
Thu May 1, 2014, 10:22 PM
May 2014

I want nothing to do with the police. They have become extremely dangerous to ordinary (but slightly different) citizens like me.

Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
84. Not trying to cause any trouble here, but this was news from September 2011.
Thu May 1, 2014, 11:17 PM
May 2014
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/crime/police-scuffled-gilberto-powell-who-has-down-syndrome-over-bulge-waste-band-was-22

He is a man with Down's Syndrome, and was alone and unattended. He was walking down the street in a bad area of Miami (Richmond Heights, which is filled with theft, assault, rape, murder, etc. - I lived in Miami, so I'm familiar with the areas there).

Cops were in that area to keep down crime, as they are in all bad areas, trying to keep down shootings and crime. In an area of such high crime, I have no frikkin' idea why a 28 year old with Down's Syndrome would be allowed to roam by himself. It's just damned crazy!!!!

Anyway, so he was walking down this extremely dangerous area, and the cops saw a bulge, and a bulge, walking around a really dangerous area usually screams "GUN."

So when they asked him to stop, because he has Down's Syndrome and couldn't make sense of it, he took off running, which in a really dangerous area, translates into: "I just shot somebody or did something awful to someone and that's why I'm running from the police."

What I personally would like to hear the story from the mother. Why does she let her Down's Syndrome son run around unattended in a violent area? Also, is there no place where he could be attended during the day so he doesn't run out and about in a dangerous area?

bobGandolf

(871 posts)
90. This type behavior is becoming more common...
Fri May 2, 2014, 04:45 AM
May 2014

with cops. There are no checks and balances. They hardly ever get in trouble.

The Wizard

(12,545 posts)
91. As long as we as a culture
Fri May 2, 2014, 08:14 AM
May 2014

continue worshiping uniforms this kind of brutality will continue. Police mentality is it's us vs. them, and the general public is them. Many police are mentally unstable and cannot be looked in the eye for fear of an unwarranted response.
Unfortunately the good people in law enforcement have to protect that bad ones as they might need their help in a difficult, life threatening situation. No one said you had to be smart to carry a gun, but a little common sense in hiring police would go a long way toward a civil society.

dotymed

(5,610 posts)
93. It is graduation time soon.
Fri May 2, 2014, 10:24 AM
May 2014

I live next to Ft. Campbell, Ky. and almost all of the cops here are extremely militarized. My Daughter graduated college 2 years ago. The H.S. and College use the gym to host these events. The security is very extreme, to the point of changing these celebrations into
military style, high threat situations. I left my Daughters graduation very annoyed because of the barking of orders to family and friends attending that event. I posted about it at the time.
I am not looking forward to my Sons H.S. graduation because I know it will be more of the same. The LEO's made their presence very obvious. Their numbers were excessive and their military tactics were not necessary, especially in an atmosphere of celebration.
There was approximately 1 officer for every 2 row section (maybe more as they were also walking the aisles). They shouted at and intimidated most in attendance. From the elderly to the very young. They barked instructions at the guests from the moment of entry.
They stood in front of each section and blocked the possibility of a clear view of the ceremony. When someone would attempt to move to an unobstructed area, like boot camp "inmates", they were loudly berated. Some who did not obey their orders were escorted out and a few were arrested. I have been invited to the college ceremony also this year and declined. It will be hard for me to enjoy the H.S. ceremony. I get so pissed hearing them loudly intimidate the helpless and those hoping to enjoy the ceremony that I have to bite my tongue and attempt to see past the "masters."

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
94. We wait for the kkk or skinheads to do this kind of behavior so only then we can claimed
Fri May 2, 2014, 10:49 AM
May 2014

that we live in a fascist state.

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