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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDidn't Zimmerman lie to the 911 dispatcher?
Dispatcher: "Are you following him?"
Zimmerman: "Yeah."
Dispatcher: "Okay, you don't need to do that."
Zimmerman: "Ok."
By responding "Ok" to the dispatcher, Zimmerman appears to confirm he would abide by the dispatcher's request.
But if you listen carefully to the 911 call, you can still hear Zimmerman breathing heavily and the sound of the wind that suggests strongly that Zimmerman is still moving. And, as we know from Zimmerman's own words, Trayvon was moving AWAY from Zimmerman. So how did Zimmerman and Martin end up in a violent struggle if Zimmerman wasn't still pursuing Martin? We know now that they DID confront each other, resulting in Trayvon's death.
So doesn't this strongly suggest Zimmerman was lying to the dispatcher? And if Zimmerman was willing to lie and attempt to deceive the 911 dispatcher, why wouldn't he lie and attempt to deceive in regards to the rest of the facts of this case?
We have positive, concrete proof on tape Zimmerman was attempting to deceive a 911 dispatcher as to his immediate actions regarding this case. What does this tell us about Zimmerman's character?
WingDinger
(3,690 posts)If a thug was chasing me, and several did, I would hide in the bushes. When the vigilante reached my hiding place, I would pounce. And try to kill him in one punch. If not, then i would beat his head into the pavement. and, I think I am justified in doing so.
Ecumenist
(6,086 posts)ended with the girlfriend hearing his ask GZ why he was following him and he was assaulted. When he was insistent on following him, Trayvon had every right to whip his @ss until it roped like okra. SYG TOTALLY swung to his favor, trust me.
zbdent
(35,392 posts)yeah, when someone's chasing you, you say you're following them ...
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)Everything about this case says that it was Martin who felt threatened. There was no reason for Martin to think Zimmerman was neighborhood security. If you look at Zimmerman's clothes in the police surveillance video, he's wearing nothing that identifies him as a police volunteer. No uniform. No badge. No tag. Nothing to identify him as such. They talk about what Martin was wearing but Zimmerman looked just as much the thug. What about what HE was wearing and doing? why is that not an issue? Zimmerman, from Martin's perspective, looked just as suspicious. So whatever Zimmerman was claiming Martin was doing to him, Martin may have been doing it because a strange guy who doesn't appear to be a cop was following him.
I once accidently drove on to a celebrity's drive way I thought was a small road and was confronted by a plain clothes security person. I had no clue I was on a celebrity's property and no clue why this guy was asking for my license. He never identified himself as security. I immediately thought he was weird and instead of complying I just backed out of the driveway and left. That was my instinctive, gut reaction. So I understand how Martin could have been totally confused as to this idiot Zimmerman's intentions.
Ecumenist
(6,086 posts)Trayvon. He's a lying sack is "ish and he knows it. I think that he forgot that it was 1950 where things happened like this ROUTINELY and they were covered up ALL THE TIME!
HooptieWagon
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(7,288 posts)kudzu22
(1,273 posts)"You don't need to do that" is a statement, not a request. I thought the dispatcher actually said, "We don't need you to do that." In any case, the statement/request/order should have been stronger.
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)and I'm sure a defense attorney would. But everyone knows what was meant.
lukkadairish
(122 posts)Herein lies the beginning of the deception. Zimmerman was WELL KNOWN to dispatchers throughout the county due to his many many many calls to 911 concerning prowlers, suspicious people, stuff that 'didn't look right' etc. Zimmerman didn't identify himself as a Neighborhood watch vol that we know of. If he had, the personnel taking the call would have probably been a little stronger in his instruction due to the fact that Z's leaning on the heavy side of call volume and his seeming propensity to be obsessed with law enforcement and 911 calls.
I used to live in DC suburbia...our neighborhood watch was a registered group, we all had dispensed walkie talkies when on duty, and we also had a magnetic sign to slap onto our vehicles with a central phone number to the community line for the police in order for folks to know that the vehicle trolling the neighborhood at a slow pace was in fact there to help. I do not think Z had ANY of that and NEVER DID
kudzu22
(1,273 posts)I'm not excusing or validating Z's actions at all. I'm just saying that responding "OK" to the statement "you don't need to do that" doesn't qualify as lying to the police, in my opinion. If we're going to get on Z let's get on him for what he actually did -- shooting an unarmed teenager.
lukkadairish
(122 posts)It seems that he and his shills are doing a damned good job of ruining their explanations on their own....
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)If you want to hear the full emotional toll of this incident on a witness listen to the teacher's 911 call. It is 2nd from last here (scroll down and look in right column for audio files) "distraught caller":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin
fishwax
(29,149 posts)It could as easily simply be an acknowledgement of the other party's statement.