Ralph Nader calls for a union between libertarians and progressives and the impeachment of Obama

[Cali_Democrat]

Ralph Nader's America: Impeach Obama, decriminalize drugs, libertarians & progressives unite!
By Jeff Zeleny, Jordyn Phelps, and Alexandra Dukakis

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“On Capitol Hill, I'm seeing more and more in Congress, left and right,” Nader told “The Fine Print.” “It was a vote in the House over a year ago over the NSA snooping, it almost broke through … so we're beginning to see formulations that once they click together, they're unstoppable.”

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Nader expects there is going to be a growth of left-right alliances in Congress, pointing to the war on drugs and bank regulatory efforts as areas of possibly confluence. On the war on drugs, Nader said that the United States should entirely decriminalize and move to regulate all drugs in the same way alcohol and tobacco are regulated.

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When it comes to the current president, Nader said that Obama has violated the Constitution on several occasions and should be impeached.

"Oh, most definitely," Nader said when asked if Congress should bring forward articles of impeachment against Obama. "The reason why Congress doesn't want to do it is because it's abdicated its own responsibility under the Constitution."

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/power-players-abc-news/ralph-naders-america-impeach-obama-decriminalize-drugs-libertarians-progressives-unite-110418813.html

[LynneSin]

1. Who?

[Orrex]

36. ^^That

[madinmaryland]

74. What LynneSin Said. nt

[Motown_Johnny]

86. The guy Al Gore stole votes from

[JoePhilly]

2. Yahoo News is the correct place for this.

[Raine1967]

101. yup. One problem…

Alexandra Dukakis is the daughter of Michael Dukakis, and she works for ABC news.

Jordyn Phelps is a digital producer at ABC news…

Jeff was a former Times reporter courted to go with ABC…


So, WTF is up with this garbage piece? 

(I'm most disappointed with Dukakis, to be honest)

This is a yahoo blog thing written by a few ABC people.

[SidDithers]

3. Fuck Ralph Nader...nt

Sid

[Tarheel_Dem]

15. "Impeach Obama"! That sound familiar? Nader used to be much craftier. His GOP tooliness is....

on fully display now. He isn't even a "useful" idiot anymore. Sad.

[Gothmog]

78. Nader is just as nutty as Lyndon LaRouche

The LaRouche cult is campaigning on the platform of impeaching President Obama. Nader is just as crazy as Lyndon LaRouche

[Cha]

82. Glad he's outted his stupid self.. making it well known that he is his

own worst enemy.

[Tarheel_Dem]

90. Is there anyone more irrelevant to the body politick than Nader?

[Cha]

92. ron paul?

[Tarheel_Dem]

96. I stand corrected.

[Jamaal510]

106. Or Jill Stein. nt

[Comrade Grumpy]

4. There does seem to be a libertarian-progressive coming together on a couple of issues.

The drug war.

The national security state.

Foreign policy.

And I'm all for it. I sometimes call myself a left libertarian, or just a libertine.

But that impeachment shit is just silly.

[Gary Garrison]

14. Me too. Alliance in some issues, yes. Impeachment, no.

Nader goes too far.

[calimary]

87. Welcome to DU, Gary Garrison!

Glad you're here! Ahhh, ralph nader. I wonder if he ever stops to think that HE is singlehandedly responsible for those four-thousand-plus deaths of American soldiers lost in the needless, useless, deceit-driven Iraq War. After all, if it weren't for him, bush/cheney wouldn't have gotten close enough to steal it. I used to admire him a lot. Decades ago. But he squandered it all, and helped to screw this country and all its people. And that's just this country. When you factor in all the other victims just of that war, across the globe, it's a LOT more victims than just four-thousand-plus needlessly sacrificed American soldiers. Who died for a LIE. bush/cheney's LIE.

[karynnj]

21. However, I suspect that to most progressives, the social good and economic issues

are important -- and this is where the two are 180 degrees apart.

A year ago or so, I went to a Bernie Sanders town Hall. In the Q & A, a Ron Paul type person asked a question stating that they were similar in positions, Sanders immediately and forcibly disagreed - speaking of his goals - basically fair wage, fairer income distribution, access to healthcare, housing food etc -- and how this was not something that a libertarian felt government should do. (Take with grain of salt - it was nearly a year ago and I didn't write it down.) As progressives, people like Sherrod Brown, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren care about these social justice issues - and Rand Paul etc do not. Another major difference is the environment.

Nader was dangerous in 2000 when he said that Bush and Gore were the same; ludicrous in 2004 when he said he liked JK and was helping him by also running against Bush; and here he is again very dangerous if he manages to succeed.

[BeyondGeography]

54. In response to the crickets that your most excellent post has been met with

I wonder why this is apparently so complicated for many people here. Libertarianism is Fantasy Island for the .00001 percenters that most of these same people rail against. Sanders, Warren...none of the would-be saviors of the Democratic Party would ever give a thought to an alignment with libertarianism that included anything more than lifestyle choice issues.

[Voice for Peace]

61. Libertarianism presumes there is no such thing as greed or exploitation;

if people are exploited, it's their own fault.
Survival of the fittest stuff.

If everyone were fully human, in the best sense: conscious,
self-aware, compassionate, wise, loving, fair, generous..
few if any of these problems would exist, or survive.

People would not exploit each other, not because it was
against the law, but because it was against their own
conscience.

Till then, we have laws, for better and worse.

[Cha]

83. Thank you, karyn!

[Pirate Smile]

102. Don't forget Civil Rights - and the libertarian view of them being an imposition on individuals.

[karynnj]

109. Thanks - that is a big one to forget

They are against almost all governmental or institutional means to redress discrimination -- and they perpetuate many problems by claiming that it is the "freedom" of the employer/property owner to discriminate if they want.

Definitely not the progressive position!

[RKP5637]

32. I think there are groups that have a lot more in common than the talking heads on MSM want anyone

to believe.

[kelliekat44]

39. Yeah, selfish on civic and social purpose. nt

[Raksha]

48. I never call myself a left libertarian, even though I may actually fit that profile.

I prefer to call myself an anarcho-socialist because of my deep loathing for right libertarians, who I detest even more than Republicans. I associate them with Ayn Rand and Gary North and laissez-faire capitalism, none of which I will have anything to do with.

Still, I recognize that there is common ground on some issues, including the ones you mentioned, i.e. the drug war, the national security state and foreign policy. But I wonder how such an alliance would work in practice, since like most progressives I am in favor of a redistributive tax system and libertarians most emphatically are NOT!

[Blue_Tires]

110. I don't know those libertarians

the majority of libertarians I've ever known over the years are Cliven Bundy-types: Just about guns, no taxes, unregulated business, outlawing abortion, and being able to freely say their ethnic/religious slurs in public without the "PC police" coming down on them...And these are the *sane* libertarians I've known...The rest were Alex Jones NWO conspiracy nutbar types...

And based on what I've read on 'other' boards in the past, the libertarians have NO intentions whatsoever of any mythical, rainbow-filled "alliance" with the left...They do however generally see us as easy marks and are always dreaming of these Wile E. Coyote schemes to worm their way in and "turn" the left to their side...

[Tarheel_Dem]

5. They're out in force.

[Skidmore]

30. Appears that way, doesn't it?

Must be fun to trash a board and a nation at the same time.

[Tarheel_Dem]

50. When you hear them talking about "discussing the issues elsewhere", what they mean is they "discuss

their obsession with DU elsewhere", coordinate their attacks, and spread out from there. If this statement by Nader doesn't reveal what a tool and GOP stooge he is, I don't know what will.

There's an essay (or should I say hitpiece) in the "Socialist" forum that could've been written by any garden variety NeoCon, but they're "protected". It's reminiscent of the crap that used to get posted here from wsws.

[Ikonoklast]

67. You Better Believe It!

The Loony Libertarian Fantasy League still has members posting here.

[Tarheel_Dem]

70. Indeed they do, and I'm damned if I can tell the difference between them & the self identified......

Socialists here. It's almost as if someone left, and forgot to close the door.

Don't be a wingnut (right-wing or extreme-fringe).
Democratic Underground is an online community for politically liberal people who understand the importance of working within the system to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of political office. Teabaggers, Neo-cons, Dittoheads, Paulites, Freepers, Birthers, and right-wingers in general are not welcome here. Neither are certain extreme-fringe left-wingers, including advocates of violent political/social change, hard-line communists, terrorist-apologists, America-haters, kooks, crackpots, LaRouchies, and the like.

[Cha]

84. Divide and Lose.

[ProSense]

6. LOL:

But Nader qualified that the success of his envisioned left-right alliance is dependent on strong leaders. He said Sen. Rand Paul, son of Ron Paul, has the potential to be a leader for the alliance, but added that he thinks the Kentucky Republican has certain shortcomings as a leader.

“He’s a mixed bag, you know, he's evolving. He's broadening his issues that he's talking about and they’re beginning to resonate,” Nader said. “On the other hand … he has problems dealing with people.”

Paul’s “problems” aside, Nader predicted that he will be “the one to beat” in 2016 in a Republican contest that is also likely to also include Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas and Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida. He also made it clear what he does not want to see in 2016: A Jeb Bush - Hillary Clinton matchup.

Senator Sanders' spokesman smacks down Nader
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024629502

Fuck Nader!

[Cha]

85. By that, nader means rand paul is becoming a better Liar. Fuck both of them. nt

[Egnever]

7. And this is why we can't have nice things

The second dems take power they go immediately for each others throats.

[karynnj]

22. Nader is not a Democrat and has not been on our side for years nt

[Egnever]

24. Nader is late to the game

[Skidmore]

31. Nader thinks he is the game.

I lost respect for him over a decade ago.

[WhiteTara]

8. May he rot in the deepest regions of hell.

He deserves no air time and no regurgitation of his right wing hate spew. Ralph Nadir gave us George Bush, Dick Cheney and the Iraq war and all the other horrors. Fuck you Nadir with your little cabal of hate mongers who think "we deserve this."

[hrmjustin]

71. Oh library girl!

[SidDithers]

72. ...

Sid

[winter is coming]

9. I guess he couldn't find a Kardassian to marry. n/t

[G_j]

10. dog whistle

...watch how much time gets wasted on this thread.

[Dawson Leery]

11. Hillary 2016!

[Democracyinkind]

12. Ralph Wiggum?

[MohRokTah]

13. BEtter idea, expulsion for Nader because he's a fucking idiot. eom

[LadyHawkAZ]

16. Fuck Nader

and fuck libertarians too.

[BeyondGeography]

17. What an attention-seeking assclown you turned out to be, Ralph

[Comrade Grumpy]

18. 17 (on edit) replies in and nothing of substance. Just "Fuck Nader."

This kind of thing contributes to why DU sucks.

Remove Nader from the equation. What about this progressive-libertarian alliance? We do see it on drug policy, foreign policy, and national security policy. What are its implications? What are its dangers?

[JI7]

20. the guy is calling to impeach Obama

[LadyHawkAZ]

26. Don't forget abortion and homosexuality

Yay for Libertarians waving the wedge issue banner of Look How We Support Freedom! And then there's the rest of the stuff in the background:

http://www.ontheissues.org/Libertarian_Party.htm

Libertarian Party on Budget & Economy

Reduce taxes, spending, and eliminate controls on trade. (Jul 2000)
Abolish all regulation of banks in favor of free market. (Jul 2000)
Pass constitutional amendment requiring a balanced budget. (Jul 2000)

Libertarian Party on Education

Let parents control all educational funding. (May 2008)
Poor kids end up at worst schools in current system. (Nov 2000)
Separation of education and State. (Jul 2000)
End compulsory busing & compulsory education. (Jul 2000)
School Choice
Support a market in education to provide more choices. (Nov 2000)
The state should stay out of education. (Jul 2000)
Treat private school funding the same as public schools. (Jul 2000)


Libertarian Party on Energy & Oil

Oppose government control of energy pricing and production. (May 2008)

Libertarian Party on Environment

Gale Norton is ‘giant leap’ for environmental sense. (Jan 2001)
Government is the worst polluter. (Nov 2000)
The parties responsible for pollution should be held liable. (Jul 2000)

Libertarian Party on Free Trade

Remove governmental impediments to free trade. (May 2008)
Prosperity will come from unrestricted free markets. (Jul 2000)
Abolish all trade barriers and agreements. (Jul 2000)
Abolish all trade barriers and trade agreements. (Jul 2000)


Libertarian Party on Government Reform

Repeal laws which restrict voluntary financing of campaigns. (May 2008)
The government should keep “hands off” the economy. (Jul 2000)
Abolish the Department of Energy. (Jul 2000)

Libertarian Party on Gun Control

Affirm the right to keep and bear arms. (May 2008)
Repeal all gun control laws and regulation of weapons. (Jul 2000)

Libertarian Party on Health Care

Restore and revive a free market health care system. (May 2008)
Government should not be in the health insurance business. (Jul 2000)

Libertarian Party on Jobs

Union activity by choice only. (Jul 2000)
No welfare & no restrictions on work. (Jul 2000)

Libertarian Party on Social Security

Replace the Social Security system with a private system. (May 2008)
Privatize Social Security. (Jul 2000)

Libertarian Party on Tax Reform

Repeal the income tax and abolish the IRS. (May 2008)
Repeal all income taxes, & the 16th Amendment. (Jul 2000)

Libertarian Party on Welfare & Poverty

Non-profits more effective than government at “safety net”. (Apr 1999)

That's the danger: all this "You're a progressive who opposes the drug war/opposes NSA spying/ supports abortion etc, so do we! Look how much we have in common!" goes straight to that, all that stuff above; the stuff no one really talks about because they're too busy discussing legal pot and Snowden. Libertarianism is not a good philosophy nor a progressive one, and it's not healthy at all for the country to allow them to paint themselves as such.

[Spazito]

28. + 1

Thanks for posting the FACTS around libertarian policies, they are completely antithetical to progressives/ liberals/democrats.

[Skidmore]

33. Excellent list of facts. Deserves to be its own thread.

Would you consider making it a thread?

[LadyHawkAZ]

35. You're welcome to copy it if you like, and start one

I'm out for the rest of the day and don't want to start a hit-and-run OP.

[Comrade Grumpy]

38. Right. The LP platform is on the whole pretty reactionary and offensive.

So, do we make common cause with their standard bearers on the issues where we are in agreement? Or not?

[LadyHawkAZ]

108. That used to be called "working with the opposition party for the common good"

which drew clear lines between the issue being agreed on and the many others which were not, and kept a certain degree of emphasis on "opposition". We are NOT seeing this lately with the recent push toward acceptance of libertarianism- what has been happening instead is a relentless hammering on Democrats as "right-wing" while touting the libertarians and/or their policies as the progressive alternative.

Work with them on those issues where their ideals overlap with the progressive agenda? Certainly. Allow them to use those few points of commonality to tout themselves as a progressive party, or some kind of ally to the Democrats? Fuck no- everything in my previous post needs to be shouted from the rooftops every time they bring up Snowden, drug decrim or gay marriage. Every. Damn. Time.

[greatauntoftriplets]

40. Great post!

[LeftishBrit]

27. The dangers are the dangers of any progressive-RW alliance

Usually, the progressives have to give up far more than the RW-ers do. Whether it's New Labour with the Bushies; the LibDems with the Tories; or anti-establishment leftists with anti-establishment right-wingers.

By all means, people of all stripes can join together in a vote against e.g. the drug wars; but progressives should not allow themselves to be hijacked into policies of letting poor people starve; destroying public services; denying people basic consumer protection (Nader of all people should be worried about that); etc.

[MineralMan]

29. Nader is the subject of this thread. How do we "take him from

the equation?" Fuck him, and Rand, pere and fils, alike.

You want an alliance with the libertarians? I'm sure there's a forum somewhere for that. This is not that forum.

[Comrade Grumpy]

41. What interests me is not bashing a dead horse, but where libertarians and progressives converge.

The drug war.

The national security state.

Foreign policy.

I understand the rules of this forum, thank you. Rand Paul and Patrick Leahy are the cosponsors of the Justice Safety Valve Act. Rand Paul has also introduced other drug reform measures that many progressives embrace. Should we oppose them because Rand Paul introduced them? I also seem to recall that things have a hard time passing with the support of only one party.

[MineralMan]

43. But, Ralph Nader is the topic of the thread.

We could have a thread on the intersection of libertarians and Democrats, but that would be another topic. This is about Nader supporting Rand Paul's call to impeach the President. What do you think about that?

[Comrade Grumpy]

44. As I noted upthread, I think that's some silly shit.

Where do you stand on the Justice Safety Valve Act? Or, more broadly, on working with those LP types where policy interests converge?

[MineralMan]

46. I don't work with LP members on anything at all.

If they vote on things in ways I would vote, then good for them. However, I can't be in support of anyone who aligns him or herself with the Libertarian Party or who acts as Rand Paul and Ron Paul do on most issues. Your mileage might vary.

[JI7]

58. and just about every one of them i come across is a racist

[Tarheel_Dem]

100. Daayyyuuummm MM, that's gonna leave a mark.

[SMC22307]

60. He's one topic of this thread.

Another topic of this thread:

Nader expects there is going to be a growth of left-right alliances in Congress, pointing to the war on drugs and bank regulatory efforts as areas of possibly confluence. On the war on drugs, Nader said that the United States should entirely decriminalize and move to regulate all drugs in the same way alcohol and tobacco are regulated.

We can walk and chew gum at the same time.

[Iggo]

62. Fuck Nader.

[Ikonoklast]

69. Fuck Nader and all his apologists.

Anyone falling for his bullshit is politically naive.

[bettyellen]

81. no alliance because they inhabit another fucking planet on 95% of the issues....

Just no.

[Tarheel_Dem]

98. That's not all that "makes DU suck".

[VanillaRhapsody]

104. you mean Progressive-Fantasy Island alliance?

[greatauntoftriplets]

19. Gawd, he's a Benghazi truther?

Fuck him.

[TheCowsCameHome]

23. Buzz off, you nitwit.

Gawd, will this guy ever go away?

[MineralMan]

25. Oh FFS!

Piss off, Ralph. Your irrelevance is only matched by your insignificance.

[packman]

34. Talking about missing the train-

Here's a guy that a few decades back could have stepped out from the crowd and united progressives and liberals. At one time, Nader was the standard bearer, IMHO - a man who challenged big business, was pro-consumer, and seemed to be a voice in the wilderness.
Sad -

[HooptieWagon]

37. Union, merger...whatever you want to call it...

...is utterly ridiculous. Just because the left and right agree on a few issues, doesn't mean they agree on their opinion on the role of government. After all, such a left/right marriage led to the abomination known as the DLC, which is still a pestilence on us 25 years later. OK, work with the right on those areas of agreement. Otherwise, grow a fucking spine and stand strong in opposition. Union... geesh, what a stupid suggestion.

[Arkana]

42. Can anyone really defend Ralph Nader now? The dude is such

a blatant attention whore.

[struggle4progress]

45. Ralph was a hero of mine for so very long. But the poor man has really lost his mind

[Itchinjim]

47. Fuck Nader.

[TheCowsCameHome]

64. I wish I'd've have though of that.

[RussBLib]

49. the OP references Nader's new book "Unstoppable..."

As with anybody, Nader has some good ideas and some not so good ideas. Being an atheist, I'm sure that Nader isn't going to rot in hell for giving us Bush and Cheney, but he will live with more or less eternal condemnation from much of the left.

Anyway, Common Dreams published an excerpt from Nader's new book: https://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/04/29-9

There are a lot of good ideas here, undiminished by the fact that Nader is the one mentioning them.

Twenty-Five Proposed Redirections and Reforms Through Convergent Action

-Require that the Department of Defense (DOD) budget be audited annually, and disclose all government budgets. Secrecy destroys accountability.
-Establish rigorous procedures to evaluate the claims of businesses looking for a government handout which would end most corporate welfare and bailouts.
-Promote efficiency in government contracting and government spending.
-Adjust the minimum wage to inflation.
-Introduce specific forms of taxation reform as well as push to regain uncollected taxes.
-Break up the “Too Big to Fail” banks.
-Expand contributions to charity, using them to increase jobs and drawing on available “dead money.”
-Allow taxpayers the standing to sue, especially immunized governments and corporations.
-Further direct democracy—initiative, referendum, and recall, for starters.
-Push community self-reliance.
-Clear away the obstacles to a competitive electoral process.
-Defend and extend civil liberties.
-Enhance civic skills and experience for students.
-End unconstitutional wars and enforce Article 1, section 8, of the Declaration of War Act.
-Revise trade agreements to protect US sovereignty, and resume full congressional deliberations, ending fast track.
-Protect children from commercialism and its physical and mental exploitation and harm.
-Control more of the commons that we already own.
-End corporate personhood.
-Get tough on corporate crime, providing penalties and enforcement budgets.
-Ramp up investor power by strengthening investor-protection laws and by creating a penny brigade to pay for an investor watchdog agency.
-Oppose the patenting of life forms, including human genes.
-End the ineffective war on drugs.
-Push for environmentalism.
-Reform health care.
-Create convergent institutions

[HooptieWagon]

55. Damn few of those would get libertarian support.

Thus, suggesting a "union" is preposterous.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

51. Oh, sweet whistling jesus...

[AverageJoe90]

52. Honestly, buzz off, Nader, ya also-ran wannabe. nt

[Zambero]

53. Thanks again for helping Bush-Cheney steal the 2000 election, Ralph

Nothing like changing the course of history for the worse. Anything you may have said or done since then has been and will continue to be inconsequential. Now you can go about kissing ass to the likes of Daryl Issa and your newfound right wing friends. They'll be all for your impeachment proposal, but good luck on any climate change and living wage concerns you might have.

[Gothmog]

80. Nader is directly responsible for the loss of Section 5 of the VRA

Nader is responsible for the loss of Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act.

[Rex]

56. He wants Obama impeached over Libya?

Ralph has lost his mind! Also saying Rand Paul would make a great leader...WTF?

[moondust]

57. Is Nader still getting checks from GOP donors?

[Tarheel_Dem]

99. Never forget, these guys are big time "Libertarian" assholes as well. 'Nuff said.

[MrScorpio]

59. The Frog and the Scorpion, all over again. nt

[lostincalifornia]

63. Ralph who. That irrelevent POS. Why doesn't he and Ron and Rand Paul

get together. Libertarians definitely have something in common with Nader, they are both selfish bastards


Me me me me me me...

No progressive who doesn't want the complete take over by repukes will align themselves with Nader again

[WinkyDink]

65. If it walks like a Republican, talks like a Republican,......

[The Magistrate]

66. Put Me Down, Sir, For a Hearty 'Fuck Nader!'

[baldguy]

73. I wonder how big the check that he received from Karl Rove was.

[Jesus Malverde]

75. I have a union between yesterdays dinner and my stomach just for ralph.

It's somewhere south of my stomach I'm dedicating it to him.

[tridim]

76. Go yell at kids to get off your lawn. Asshole. nt

[Gothmog]

77. Nader is a joke and no one should pay any attention to his stupidity

Nader is responsible for Citizens United, the gutting of the Voting Rights Act and latest slam of affirmative action. Nader has done enough damage and should be ignored

[Cha]

79. Nader: "Impeach Obama and make me

president "

Oh, I'm Rec this.. to get the word out on just how damn stupid ol Ralphie is Now.

Thanks Cali

[n2doc]

88. I guess he and the LaRouchies can hang out at the corner

Yelling and waving crazy signs, with no passer-by wishing to make eye contact.

[BootinUp]

89. 40 years ago

he was actually doing some good things, too bad he went a bit crazy so young.

[BainsBane]

91. There went the last remains of credibility Nader had

I'm now even more ashamed to have voted for him in 2000.

[HughBeaumont]

93. HAH. That'll be the DAY I align with Von Mises/Rockwell/"Not Being Governed" kooks.

We're a complete 180 on economics, swaths of them are anti-choice, many want state usury laws eliminated and would make the U.S.A. a Gilded Age Pt II.

[Jamaal510]

105. And...

"swaths of them are anti-choice"

they oppose Civil Rights, plus Rand Paul even came out in support of voter ID laws at his Howard speech. These people may talk about fighting for freedom or whatever, but they sure aren't fighting for mine or anyone else I know.

[dionysus]

94. he's had one stroke too many it seems...

[dionysus]

95. "Nader has his own vision for who he’d like to be president and has even put forward a proposal of

20 billionaires who he encourages to run for president...."


he's lost his fucking mind...

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

97. Ralph hits rock bottom

Fuck him.

[Beausoir]

103. HAHA! Nader was so jealous of Clinton that he threw his support to Bush.

Kinda like the CDS morons here at DU.

[pnwmom]

107. So what else is new? He's always hated Dems more than anyone else. n/t