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Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 01:03 PM Apr 2014

For Some, Caffeine Addiction Is Doubly Dangerous

You want to cut back on caffeine, but you can’t — even if your doctor says you have to.

Now, new research is saying that dependence on caffeine is not just a physical issue. As CBS 2’s Roseanne Tellez reports, it could be affecting us psychologically.

Jessica Hayes starts her day with a jolt of java and often refuels throughout the day.

“I feel like it helps me be more productive,” she says.

The problem is Jessica has acid reflux, and her doctor has been telling her to cut back on caffeine. She knows it’s not good for her, but she can’t stop going back to her coffee.

“It’s definitely something that I fight with myself all the time,” she says.

A caffeine researcher, Professor Laura Juliano, says that may be because for some people the need for caffeine could be a psychological problem. It’s being called Caffeine Use Disorder.

The American Psychiatric Association is calling for more study on Caffeine Use Disorder in its latest diagnostic manual called the DSM. Dr. Charles O’Brien was on the DSM committee.

Read More: http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/04/28/for-some-caffeine-addiction-is-doubly-dangerous/

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For Some, Caffeine Addiction Is Doubly Dangerous (Original Post) Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 OP
what about all the candy flavored coffee mates? THINK OF THE CHILDREN. We must regulate caffeine. KittyWampus Apr 2014 #1
Whoa... you just reminded me how I got started on drugs.... jberryhill Apr 2014 #5
thank god you never starting vaping. KittyWampus Apr 2014 #11
I did, however... jberryhill Apr 2014 #14
sounds like a micro-brewed beer if you ask me. KittyWampus Apr 2014 #15
I guess we all know where you were last night then: LadyHawkAZ Apr 2014 #32
!!!!! dionysus Apr 2014 #47
LOL - thank you. I projectile laughed n/t RainDog Apr 2014 #31
Many children are, in fact, seriously injured by coffee jberryhill Apr 2014 #37
It is hard to stop drinking caffeine. Here's an oldy but goody: Lars39 Apr 2014 #2
That's me when I *don't* have my coffee Blue_Tires Apr 2014 #6
lol...I know the feeling Lars39 Apr 2014 #10
I assume they are talking about coffee here but I have the same problem with coke. I swear to jwirr Apr 2014 #3
Oh, THAT kind of "coke"! (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #8
LOL. Cola. Never tried the other kind. jwirr Apr 2014 #26
The best habit I picked up last October was to do away with daily coffee. randome Apr 2014 #4
I gave up sugar, I gave up wheat, I gave up refined Carbs and limit the ones I eat. I gave up sodas- hlthe2b Apr 2014 #16
the first thing I'd eliminate for GERD/A.R. is refined carbs & high fats. KittyWampus Apr 2014 #19
I agree with you.. And losing weight hlthe2b Apr 2014 #22
Absolutely agree with yo about singling out one item. randome Apr 2014 #24
Back at ya... hlthe2b Apr 2014 #25
fine, pass the bacon and eggs this way! dionysus Apr 2014 #48
Everything I have read lately seems to coffee being exceptionally good for you... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #7
fruits & vegetables are loaded with antioxidants but don't stress your kidney/adrenals KittyWampus Apr 2014 #12
Nooo Kitty...they have ALSO said that there is NO proof that coffee dehydrates you anymore... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #20
soda\coffee is really bad for people with certain stomach issues... they'll have problems most ppl dionysus Apr 2014 #50
certain people.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #58
well yeah, most ppl can chug away.. my old boss drank several pots a day at work and never had a dionysus Apr 2014 #67
Okay but that's anecdotal.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #69
I don't drink coffee, RebelOne Apr 2014 #9
another day, another "disorder" nt Gary Garrison Apr 2014 #13
You've got that right get the red out Apr 2014 #54
My first real job I worked with someone who was drinking 2+ pots of coffee per day; KurtNYC Apr 2014 #17
I drank that much coffee for years with no obvious ill effects FiveGoodMen Apr 2014 #68
I've relied on caffeine to make it through the day for years. Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #18
I own a coffee shop and drink about two coffees and two espressos a day taught_me_patience Apr 2014 #21
Caffeine Use Disorder Tree-Hugger Apr 2014 #23
Fortunately, when the person next to me drinks coffee, I don't have to inhale the caffeine. pnwmom Apr 2014 #27
mom used to drink a cup on our road trips hfojvt Apr 2014 #29
You are lucky you didn't suffer burns, like other kids jberryhill Apr 2014 #39
How Many Children Must Be Hospitalized By YOUR Coffee Habit? jberryhill Apr 2014 #36
I do understand how smell works, and I understand that quantity and temperature pnwmom Apr 2014 #41
English? jberryhill Apr 2014 #43
Asthma inhalers are for a medical purpose and research on their safety pnwmom Apr 2014 #45
The chemicals don't care what their purpose is jberryhill Apr 2014 #46
I'm curious where you got your information about toddlers being poisoned by pnwmom Apr 2014 #56
You're right, I had confused that with caffeine poisoning jberryhill Apr 2014 #59
If there ISN'T an argument on childproof containers, then why aren't the users pnwmom Apr 2014 #60
Clearly because they want to poison children jberryhill Apr 2014 #61
People did ask for and the market does produce stoves with knobs that aren't accessible to children. pnwmom Apr 2014 #62
From the Burn Foundation..... jberryhill Apr 2014 #63
Out of curiosity... jberryhill Apr 2014 #65
I would like them to require permanently child-proof containers for e-juice bottles, pnwmom Apr 2014 #66
i bought my first ecig last night. woke up in the ER with 7th degree throat burns. dionysus Apr 2014 #51
with all due respect, i have to doubt you've ever been around ecigs.. they give off no smell, even dionysus Apr 2014 #53
cue big pharma 1,2,3... riverwalker Apr 2014 #28
When they pry the cup from my cold, dead hands. . . Laffy Kat Apr 2014 #30
I quit caffeine after being completely dependent on it. RedCappedBandit Apr 2014 #33
Can we make em drink it outside? Uben Apr 2014 #34
Coffee makes me happy Gary Garrison Apr 2014 #35
one of the few real "perks" in my life Skittles Apr 2014 #38
NoDoz? KamaAina Apr 2014 #40
caffeine in any form dilates the lower esophageal sphincter..nt Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #44
I learn something new here every day jberryhill Apr 2014 #49
I am really trying to drink coffee. tavernier Apr 2014 #42
try ice coffee with lots of sweetener... dionysus Apr 2014 #52
There is no acid reflux with kratom Tom Ripley Apr 2014 #55
There is an enormous difference between SheilaT Apr 2014 #57
I stopped drinking a lot of coffee Mosby Apr 2014 #64
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
5. Whoa... you just reminded me how I got started on drugs....
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 01:14 PM
Apr 2014

It was the General Mill's flavored instant coffees.

Started on them when I was twelve or so.

Years later I found myself in a cheap hotel snorting chicory off a hooker's butt.

LadyHawkAZ

(6,199 posts)
32. I guess we all know where you were last night then:
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 03:34 PM
Apr 2014
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/smokers-stage-vape-protest-nyc-ban/story?id=23516544

More than 300 e-smokers showed up for a "vape-in" at Manhattan's Museum of Sex Monday night to protest a New York City ban on indoor e-cigarette smoking.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
3. I assume they are talking about coffee here but I have the same problem with coke. I swear to
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 01:10 PM
Apr 2014

stop but feel so bad that I end up doing it anyhow.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
4. The best habit I picked up last October was to do away with daily coffee.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 01:12 PM
Apr 2014

Once I got over a two week withdrawal period (felt like the worst head cold of my life), I realized how much of my life was centered around coffee. Take away coffee and I no longer needed something to 'go' with it. No more donuts or heaping plates of eggs and bacon or (my all-time favorite) left-over-bratwurst-with-onion-on-bagel-sandwiches.

I don't know if I was addicted to caffeine but I definitely noticed the addictive properties associated with eating and imbibing. I noticed them by their absence.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]

hlthe2b

(102,291 posts)
16. I gave up sugar, I gave up wheat, I gave up refined Carbs and limit the ones I eat. I gave up sodas-
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 01:33 PM
Apr 2014

including the "diet" soft drinks. I don't smoke ANYTHING and really never have. I drink nothing but water, green and other fresh teas, low fat milk and yes....



COFFEE.


I've fully given up enough. I may reduce how much caffeine I get and switch up the coffee days with green tea. But, I'm not giving up my coffee. I see no reason to. Coffee contains lots of anti-oxidants and no study has conclusively shown major health risks. As to acid indigestion/acid reflux and GERD, I hope that young woman is likewise prepared to give up these acid-producing items: strawberries and berries of all kinds, orange juice and citrus of all kinds, tomatoes, chocolate, high fat foods, fried foods, highly refined carbohydrates of all kinds, spicey foods, soda, whole milk, lemonade, hot cocoa, peppermint, onions, bell peppers.... and on and on and on.

Singling out a lone item is easy, but deceptive. If one feels better without it, great, but this is not a "prescription" for the masses.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
19. the first thing I'd eliminate for GERD/A.R. is refined carbs & high fats.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 01:45 PM
Apr 2014

When I get depressed and slip into periods of eating too much bread/butter etc…. acid reflux pops up.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
24. Absolutely agree with yo about singling out one item.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 02:27 PM
Apr 2014

In my case, giving up coffee encouraged me to do more. In the past 7 months, I've had chips once at a restaurant. No deserts, no snacks. When I stopped eating for taste, I realized how addicted we are to our taste buds.

You made quite a change, too. Bravo!
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]

hlthe2b

(102,291 posts)
25. Back at ya...
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 02:32 PM
Apr 2014

It is amazing though how strong the cravings.... Even nearly two years later I occasionally have incredibly strong cravings for sweet junk food. Fortunately, they are diminished most of the time and I can generally get by with some fruit.

to your health

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
7. Everything I have read lately seems to coffee being exceptionally good for you...
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 01:22 PM
Apr 2014

loaded with antioxidants....

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
12. fruits & vegetables are loaded with antioxidants but don't stress your kidney/adrenals
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 01:29 PM
Apr 2014

and don't dehydrate you.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
20. Nooo Kitty...they have ALSO said that there is NO proof that coffee dehydrates you anymore...
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 01:50 PM
Apr 2014

now they say it hydrates you just as well as water.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2014/01/13/262175623/coffee-myth-busting-cup-of-joe-may-help-hydration-and-memory

Since I suspect you respect this publication....

A new study has found that coffee hydrates as well as water, so pick up that cup of Joe and gulp it down with abandon! Previous studies have shown that despite popular belief, caffeinated beverages do not cause dehydration because the amount of liquid in them negates the mild diuretic effect of the caffeine. A study done in 2004 showed that there was no difference in urine output between those who drank caffeinated beverages and those who drank beverages without caffeine. This new study has found that coffee is just as hydrating as non-caffeinated drinks, including water.
http://guardianlv.com/2014/01/coffee-hydrates-as-well-as-water-study-finds/

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
50. soda\coffee is really bad for people with certain stomach issues... they'll have problems most ppl
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 02:08 PM
Apr 2014

wouldn't... coffee\soda\booze are real bad if you have gastritis or acid issues.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
58. certain people....
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 02:36 PM
Apr 2014

not in general....so this is totally different. Some people also cannot drink milk but "most people" don't...so what?

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
67. well yeah, most ppl can chug away.. my old boss drank several pots a day at work and never had a
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 03:38 PM
Apr 2014

problem.

when my stomach is acting up caffeinated shit does a number on me but when it's not, I have no issues. chug on!

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
69. Okay but that's anecdotal....
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 03:50 PM
Apr 2014

Fish is good for you....I just don't like it so I don't eat it.....but the fact remains it is still good to eat a certain amount of it.

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
9. I don't drink coffee,
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 01:24 PM
Apr 2014

but I get my morning caffeine eye-opener fix by taking a caffeine pill when I wake up. It works faster than coffee.

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
17. My first real job I worked with someone who was drinking 2+ pots of coffee per day;
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 01:41 PM
Apr 2014

not sure how many cups that is. Within the year he developed kidney failure and passed on at the age of 26.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
68. I drank that much coffee for years with no obvious ill effects
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 03:46 PM
Apr 2014

Got tired of coffee for some reason and now get caffeine from Diet Coke.

Anyway, I don't know that you can blame the coffee for the kidney failure.

 

Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
18. I've relied on caffeine to make it through the day for years.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 01:42 PM
Apr 2014

I can't quit. If I do, I become unproductive at work and irritable. Who wants to deal with that?

 

taught_me_patience

(5,477 posts)
21. I own a coffee shop and drink about two coffees and two espressos a day
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 02:05 PM
Apr 2014

If I go without, then, man, do I feel lethargic. Caffeine is 100% addictive.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
27. Fortunately, when the person next to me drinks coffee, I don't have to inhale the caffeine.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 02:47 PM
Apr 2014

And people don't have bottles of concentrated caffeine that can spill and get absorbed by the skin; or sweet concentrated caffeine that a small child could O.D. on.

P.S. I don't object to adults consuming nicotine drinks near me; or vaping away from me and from children.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
29. mom used to drink a cup on our road trips
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 02:55 PM
Apr 2014

maybe one or two a day.

All of us kids would howl about the smell. Stunk up the whole car.

Not sure if we were getting any caffeine that way though.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
36. How Many Children Must Be Hospitalized By YOUR Coffee Habit?
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 05:07 PM
Apr 2014

You have no clue how many children are seriously injured and, yes, poisoned, by coffee do you?

But as long as you get your "fix", the kids don't matter.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/witnesses-girl-1-burned-flown-to-hospital/25694046

She said the girl's grandmother told her the girl pulled coffee off the counter and it spilled on her. Police said the girl's grandmother turned to the opposite counter to get the girl Pop-Tarts, which she dropped on the floor. When the grandmother turned to get another one, she heard the girl scream behind her because she was burned, police said.

http://articles.aberdeennews.com/2012-11-10/news/35022086_1_second-degree-burns-severe-burns-hot-liquids

Kiesz’s father was watching Izabella and another child when he left the room to get a diaper, Kiesz said. The coffee spilled onto Izabella’s face, neck, front and back, causing second-degree burns on about 50 percent of her body, Kiesz said.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/staten-island-boy-burned-hot-coffee-spill-article-1.1599368

A 5-year-old Staten Island boy was rushed to the hospital with serious burns Saturday after hot coffee accidentally spilled on his head and shoulders, officials and family members said.

Little Mohamed Momen was playing about 10:45 p.m. at a family gathering at his Mace St. home in Lighthouse Hills when he ran into his 37-year-old mother, who was carrying two cups of coffee.

-----

And, yes, if you can smell coffee or smell ANYTHING, it is because you are inhaling chemical compounds from whatever it is. There are dozens of complex chemicals you inhale whenever you smell coffee.

Do you know how the sense of smell WORKS?




pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
41. I do understand how smell works, and I understand that quantity and temperature
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 05:45 PM
Apr 2014

matter, too. When people drink coffee, it isn't being superheated at the moment it is ingested.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
43. English?
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 10:17 AM
Apr 2014

When you inhale the carcinogens from superheated organic matter being fried or roasted - otherwise known as "What are you cooking? Smells great?" - or when you walk outside on a crisp winter day to inhale the creosote from people's fireplaces and think "Ah, the smells of winter", I don't know what you think you are doing.

But you should really examine the physical operation of an actual ecig sometime - and not the lousy "cig-a-likes" from the convenience stores.

You make no distinction about dilution, volume or content of what's in the vapor relative to what is released into a room-sized volume when making, say, eggplant parmiagana.

There is nothing "superheated" going into anyone's mouth from an ecig, or it would be blistering their tongues. The point of using vegetable glycerin and propylene glycol (also used as a carrier vapor in asthma inhalers) is that they vaporize at a relatively low temperature. So, yes indeed, there is a hot metal heating element in the ecig to vaporize the carrier, but that doesn't mean that anything is being "superheated" any more so than putting a resistance heater into water to make instant ramen in a dorm room coffee cup.

And here again, those asthma inhalers contain powerful pharmaceuticals, of which what is not absorbed is exhaled. Neither you nor ANYONE else has ever raised an objection to the use of them indoors, and the reason why is that the concentration of anything that anyone is exhaling into a room is tremendously more diluted than the concentration in relation to the volume of the lungs of the user.

Even with second hand cigarette smoke, the argument was never about whether anyone was going to become addicted to nicotine, or exposed to nicotine in any significant amount, by the smoke. It was about the carcinogenic combustion products of the smoke, which come off of the end of the cigarette whether the user is inhaling or not.

People are giving off a variety of chemicals, some you can smell and most you cannot, from laundry detergents and treatments, deodorants, shampoos, cosmetics and on and on... The thing is, in ordinary indoor environments with ordinary air circulation, the concentration of the identifiably harmful vapors coming from those things never builds to a level anywhere near what would produce any sort of statistically significant exposure level. But it would not surprise me or anyone else if there were in fact a handful of statistical injuries from those things over a population of a couple hundred million people over time. The reaction to ecigs, however, is a knee jerk based on (a) one experiment of what comes out of crappy cig-a-likes in which a heating element is pressed up against an organic foam sponge which, I absolutely agree, is a shitty design I'd be in favor of banning outright, and (b) invalid analogies to second hand smoke from cigarettes that had NOTHING to do with the extremely low concentration of exhaled nicotine.

If you smell something cooking, you are inhaling carcinogens. Period.

Children are injured by coffee quite seriously and quite frequently. Period. (aside from the burns, they also get poisoned by eating ground coffee and used grounds)

And, finally, "superheated" as a chemical process term means "exposed to a temperature above the temperature of vaporization". Exposing liquid water to a temperature above 212 F is "superheating". We call it "boiling".

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
45. Asthma inhalers are for a medical purpose and research on their safety
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 01:59 PM
Apr 2014

have been submitted and approved by the FDA.

I welcome the proposed new regulations which would require e-cig manufacturers to submit their ingredients to the FDA.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
46. The chemicals don't care what their purpose is
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 02:02 PM
Apr 2014

And I would be interested in the studies on second hand effects, which are NOT a factor considered by the FDA in approving safety and efficacy of a drug. If it was, we wouldn't have all those hormones going into our water from medications.

Secondly, the facts of diffusion and concentration do not differ whether PG is used in an asthma inhaler or an ecig.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
56. I'm curious where you got your information about toddlers being poisoned by
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 02:26 PM
Apr 2014

coffee grounds. I looked and couldn't find anything about that. In fact, coffee grounds are often suggested as an "undesirable" material to mix medications with when disposing, because of the bitter taste.

https://www.health.ny.gov/prevention/injury_prevention/poison_proof_your_home.htm

Don't you think bitter coffee grounds are far less likely to tempt a toddler to overdose (on caffeine) than a highly concentrated bottle of sweet e-juice on nicotine?

And do you support requiring child safety caps on all e-juices that are still protective even after first opened? (As someone told me they already have in Europe.)

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
59. You're right, I had confused that with caffeine poisoning
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 02:37 PM
Apr 2014

However, they do drop dead from energy drinks.

That someone wouldn't favor childproof caps on any particular variety of toxin is an odd question, really, and has nothing to do with ecigs in particular.

There are no children in my house and I prefer non-childproof caps in general, which is the way that OTC medicines went after finding that elderly people with arthritis couldn't open their aspirin. And then, what do people do:



However, whether any particular product needs a childproof cap doesn't have diddly to do with the FDA. That's a CPSC issue.

http://www.cpsc.gov/en/Business--Manufacturing/Business-Education/Business-Guidance/PPPA/

The PPPA allows the Commission to set rules requiring child-resistant packaging for specific types of products customarily used in or around the household if the Commission determines:

1. that those products present a risk of serious injury or serious illness to children under 5 who are able to open the packages of the products and drink, eat, or handle the contents, and

2. that technology exists or can be developed to produce child-resistant packaging for such products, that the packaging can be used with modern mass production and assembly techniques, and that the packaging will adequately protect the integrity of the product and not interfere with the product’s intended storage or use.


Do you really expect an argument on whether they should be in childproof containers?

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
60. If there ISN'T an argument on childproof containers, then why aren't the users
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 02:40 PM
Apr 2014

demanding them, and why aren't the producers making them?

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/24/business/selling-a-poison-by-the-barrel-liquid-nicotine-for-e-cigarettes.html?_r=0

Reports of accidental poisonings, notably among children, are soaring. Since 2011, there appears to have been one death in the United States, a suicide by an adult who injected nicotine. But less serious cases have led to a surge in calls to poison control centers. Nationwide, the number of cases linked to e-liquids jumped to 1,351 in 2013, a 300 percent increase from 2012, and the number is on pace to double this year, according to information from the National Poison Data System. Of the cases in 2013, 365 were referred to hospitals, triple the previous year’s number.

Examples come from across the country. Last month, a 2-year-old girl in Oklahoma City drank a small bottle of a parent’s nicotine liquid, started vomiting and was rushed to an emergency room.

That case and age group is considered typical. Of the 74 e-cigarette and nicotine poisoning cases called into Minnesota poison control in 2013, 29 involved children age 2 and under. In Oklahoma, all but two of the 25 cases in the first two months of this year involved children age 4 and under.


In terms of the immediate poison risk, e-liquids are far more dangerous than tobacco, because the liquid is absorbed more quickly, even in diluted concentrations.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
61. Clearly because they want to poison children
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 02:43 PM
Apr 2014

Let's not pretend that your issue here is "dangerous things people have around the house".

You tell me why people don't demand a barrier on the edge of stove tops that keep small children from grabbing the handles of pans on the stove, and why stove manufacturers don't make them.

I don't demand them because there are no small children in my household, just like the reason why the cap requirements for OTC drugs were relaxed.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
62. People did ask for and the market does produce stoves with knobs that aren't accessible to children.
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 02:47 PM
Apr 2014

Pans are higher than stovetops, and most toddlers can't reach the handles.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
63. From the Burn Foundation.....
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 02:50 PM
Apr 2014
https://www.burnfoundation.org/programs/resource.cfm?c=1&a=12

WHAT ARE THE MOST FREQUENT SOURCES OF THESE INJURIES?

Scalds from spilled food and beverages: 100,000

(Child pulls pot off of stove)
(Toddler bumps into adult carrying or holding hot food or beverage)
(Toddler pulls tablecloth, spilling hot food or beverage off of table)

-----

Hallelujah, it's down to 100,000 injured kids.

Why aren't people demanding spill-proof cups for coffee?

Alcoholic beverage containers, of course, should not be child proof, for obvious reasons.
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
65. Out of curiosity...
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 03:09 PM
Apr 2014

All of the following items are sold and purchased separately, since people have different preferences on battery capacity, tank, etc..

Of the "things pnwmom wants the FDA to regulate" could you identify them:

1.



This is a battery. It contains a switch, some recharging circuitry, and a standard threaded head. They come in a variety of capacities, variable voltages, etc. It contains no nicotine. There are a variety of models made by different manufacturers.

Some of them have decorative designs. I understand you don't like the vinyl sticky wrap labels with colorful designs on them. In what way would you propose the FDA regulate the color, design, or sticky labels that can be applied to the battery?

2.



This is an atomizer. It is a tube which holds liquid and screws onto the battery. It contains a silica wick, a heating element and a mouthpiece. It contains no nicotine. In what way would you propose the FDA regulate it?

3.



This is a different atomizer. Like #2, it contains a silica wick, a heating element, and a mouthpiece. Also like #2, it can be screwed onto the battery shown in #1, and illustrates another of the various types of things which can be screwed onto the battery. I assume the black one is okay and the silver one might be okay. Am I correct in understanding the other colors should be banned?

I would like to understand which of these items, none of which necessitate the use of nicotine-containing liquid, you believe should be regulated by the FDA and in what way.


pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
66. I would like them to require permanently child-proof containers for e-juice bottles,
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 03:24 PM
Apr 2014

or, for e-juice bottles marketed to arthritic people, clearly readable labeling indicating that the bottle is NOT child proof and that a serious poisoning or even death could result if a child swallows the e-juice.

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
51. i bought my first ecig last night. woke up in the ER with 7th degree throat burns.
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 02:15 PM
Apr 2014

think of the children.. dammit... with your fancy vapor that reeks like air...

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
53. with all due respect, i have to doubt you've ever been around ecigs.. they give off no smell, even
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 02:19 PM
Apr 2014

with 6 people vaping in a small room...

as far as the toxicity of nicotine liquid, that goes for any common household cleaner in your house as well.

why are you so against it?

riverwalker

(8,694 posts)
28. cue big pharma 1,2,3...
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 02:55 PM
Apr 2014

to cure the latest made up disorder, "Caffeine Use Disorder". I can see the commercials now........ A man suddenly decides to take his wife to New Zealand, or...(what was the other one? Oh yeah...) buy a camper and explore the Grand Canyon...now he is FREE from "Caffeine Use Disorder" by taking Decaffuckitall.
ASK YOUR DOCTOR.

Laffy Kat

(16,383 posts)
30. When they pry the cup from my cold, dead hands. . .
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 03:07 PM
Apr 2014

Gave up smokes over 20 years ago. NOT giving up my one or two cups a day. Nope. No way.




RedCappedBandit

(5,514 posts)
33. I quit caffeine after being completely dependent on it.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 03:47 PM
Apr 2014

Sucked for about two weeks. Afterwards I felt improved. More consistent energy levels throughout the day and I didn't need to rely on some external substance to function.

Now I have it three to four times a week as needed. Never two days consecutively. I think this is a happy medium.

Uben

(7,719 posts)
34. Can we make em drink it outside?
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 04:02 PM
Apr 2014

......damned coffee drinkers. I have to sit and smell that disgusting stuff!






/sarcasm

tavernier

(12,392 posts)
42. I am really trying to drink coffee.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 06:04 PM
Apr 2014

They say it is good for me.

At age 67, I don't like it much. I prefer tea, but still, I would rather just not have either. I like a sip of something cold and refreshing in the morning, like juice or water.

I'm a nurse, and I
work with many patients all day long... strenuous work; lots of calorie burns. I drink tap water at these times. At the end of the day, my drink of choice is wine or rum.

I feel great, but according to the stats, I guess I'm gonna die.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
57. There is an enormous difference between
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 02:32 PM
Apr 2014

someone consuming multiple cups of coffee throughout the day, and someone like me who has one cup in the morning only.

I think the essential problem is that there are too many super caffeinated drinks out there, the energy drinks. And can't you get double and triple shots of espresso at the coffee rip-off emporiums?

Mosby

(16,318 posts)
64. I stopped drinking a lot of coffee
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 02:53 PM
Apr 2014

Mosty by relpacing it with tea.

Cup or two of Earl Grey in the morning and a cup of chun mee green at bedtime.

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