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You want to cut back on caffeine, but you cant even if your doctor says you have to.
Now, new research is saying that dependence on caffeine is not just a physical issue. As CBS 2s Roseanne Tellez reports, it could be affecting us psychologically.
Jessica Hayes starts her day with a jolt of java and often refuels throughout the day.
I feel like it helps me be more productive, she says.
The problem is Jessica has acid reflux, and her doctor has been telling her to cut back on caffeine. She knows its not good for her, but she cant stop going back to her coffee.
Its definitely something that I fight with myself all the time, she says.
A caffeine researcher, Professor Laura Juliano, says that may be because for some people the need for caffeine could be a psychological problem. Its being called Caffeine Use Disorder.
The American Psychiatric Association is calling for more study on Caffeine Use Disorder in its latest diagnostic manual called the DSM. Dr. Charles OBrien was on the DSM committee.
Read More: http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/04/28/for-some-caffeine-addiction-is-doubly-dangerous/
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)It was the General Mill's flavored instant coffees.
Started on them when I was twelve or so.
Years later I found myself in a cheap hotel snorting chicory off a hooker's butt.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)...I strictly use adult flavors like "Hooker's Butt Chicory"
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)dionysus
(26,467 posts)RainDog
(28,784 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Toddlers regularly are burned by coffee.
Lars39
(26,109 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Lars39
(26,109 posts)Giant slug, I am.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)stop but feel so bad that I end up doing it anyhow.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)Once I got over a two week withdrawal period (felt like the worst head cold of my life), I realized how much of my life was centered around coffee. Take away coffee and I no longer needed something to 'go' with it. No more donuts or heaping plates of eggs and bacon or (my all-time favorite) left-over-bratwurst-with-onion-on-bagel-sandwiches.
I don't know if I was addicted to caffeine but I definitely noticed the addictive properties associated with eating and imbibing. I noticed them by their absence.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]
hlthe2b
(102,291 posts)including the "diet" soft drinks. I don't smoke ANYTHING and really never have. I drink nothing but water, green and other fresh teas, low fat milk and yes....
COFFEE.
I've fully given up enough. I may reduce how much caffeine I get and switch up the coffee days with green tea. But, I'm not giving up my coffee. I see no reason to. Coffee contains lots of anti-oxidants and no study has conclusively shown major health risks. As to acid indigestion/acid reflux and GERD, I hope that young woman is likewise prepared to give up these acid-producing items: strawberries and berries of all kinds, orange juice and citrus of all kinds, tomatoes, chocolate, high fat foods, fried foods, highly refined carbohydrates of all kinds, spicey foods, soda, whole milk, lemonade, hot cocoa, peppermint, onions, bell peppers.... and on and on and on.
Singling out a lone item is easy, but deceptive. If one feels better without it, great, but this is not a "prescription" for the masses.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)When I get depressed and slip into periods of eating too much bread/butter etc . acid reflux pops up.
hlthe2b
(102,291 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)In my case, giving up coffee encouraged me to do more. In the past 7 months, I've had chips once at a restaurant. No deserts, no snacks. When I stopped eating for taste, I realized how addicted we are to our taste buds.
You made quite a change, too. Bravo!
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]
hlthe2b
(102,291 posts)It is amazing though how strong the cravings.... Even nearly two years later I occasionally have incredibly strong cravings for sweet junk food. Fortunately, they are diminished most of the time and I can generally get by with some fruit.
to your health
dionysus
(26,467 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)loaded with antioxidants....
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)and don't dehydrate you.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)now they say it hydrates you just as well as water.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2014/01/13/262175623/coffee-myth-busting-cup-of-joe-may-help-hydration-and-memory
Since I suspect you respect this publication....
A new study has found that coffee hydrates as well as water, so pick up that cup of Joe and gulp it down with abandon! Previous studies have shown that despite popular belief, caffeinated beverages do not cause dehydration because the amount of liquid in them negates the mild diuretic effect of the caffeine. A study done in 2004 showed that there was no difference in urine output between those who drank caffeinated beverages and those who drank beverages without caffeine. This new study has found that coffee is just as hydrating as non-caffeinated drinks, including water.
http://guardianlv.com/2014/01/coffee-hydrates-as-well-as-water-study-finds/
dionysus
(26,467 posts)wouldn't... coffee\soda\booze are real bad if you have gastritis or acid issues.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)not in general....so this is totally different. Some people also cannot drink milk but "most people" don't...so what?
dionysus
(26,467 posts)problem.
when my stomach is acting up caffeinated shit does a number on me but when it's not, I have no issues. chug on!
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Fish is good for you....I just don't like it so I don't eat it.....but the fact remains it is still good to eat a certain amount of it.
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)but I get my morning caffeine eye-opener fix by taking a caffeine pill when I wake up. It works faster than coffee.
Gary Garrison
(31 posts)get the red out
(13,466 posts)That trend makes a mockery of real mental health issues IMO.
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)not sure how many cups that is. Within the year he developed kidney failure and passed on at the age of 26.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)Got tired of coffee for some reason and now get caffeine from Diet Coke.
Anyway, I don't know that you can blame the coffee for the kidney failure.
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)I can't quit. If I do, I become unproductive at work and irritable. Who wants to deal with that?
taught_me_patience
(5,477 posts)If I go without, then, man, do I feel lethargic. Caffeine is 100% addictive.
Tree-Hugger
(3,370 posts)Wonder how long until there's a medication for that...
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)And people don't have bottles of concentrated caffeine that can spill and get absorbed by the skin; or sweet concentrated caffeine that a small child could O.D. on.
P.S. I don't object to adults consuming nicotine drinks near me; or vaping away from me and from children.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)maybe one or two a day.
All of us kids would howl about the smell. Stunk up the whole car.
Not sure if we were getting any caffeine that way though.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)You have no clue how many children are seriously injured and, yes, poisoned, by coffee do you?
But as long as you get your "fix", the kids don't matter.
http://www.news4jax.com/news/witnesses-girl-1-burned-flown-to-hospital/25694046
She said the girl's grandmother told her the girl pulled coffee off the counter and it spilled on her. Police said the girl's grandmother turned to the opposite counter to get the girl Pop-Tarts, which she dropped on the floor. When the grandmother turned to get another one, she heard the girl scream behind her because she was burned, police said.
http://articles.aberdeennews.com/2012-11-10/news/35022086_1_second-degree-burns-severe-burns-hot-liquids
Kieszs father was watching Izabella and another child when he left the room to get a diaper, Kiesz said. The coffee spilled onto Izabellas face, neck, front and back, causing second-degree burns on about 50 percent of her body, Kiesz said.
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/staten-island-boy-burned-hot-coffee-spill-article-1.1599368
A 5-year-old Staten Island boy was rushed to the hospital with serious burns Saturday after hot coffee accidentally spilled on his head and shoulders, officials and family members said.
Little Mohamed Momen was playing about 10:45 p.m. at a family gathering at his Mace St. home in Lighthouse Hills when he ran into his 37-year-old mother, who was carrying two cups of coffee.
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And, yes, if you can smell coffee or smell ANYTHING, it is because you are inhaling chemical compounds from whatever it is. There are dozens of complex chemicals you inhale whenever you smell coffee.
Do you know how the sense of smell WORKS?
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)matter, too. When people drink coffee, it isn't being superheated at the moment it is ingested.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)When you inhale the carcinogens from superheated organic matter being fried or roasted - otherwise known as "What are you cooking? Smells great?" - or when you walk outside on a crisp winter day to inhale the creosote from people's fireplaces and think "Ah, the smells of winter", I don't know what you think you are doing.
But you should really examine the physical operation of an actual ecig sometime - and not the lousy "cig-a-likes" from the convenience stores.
You make no distinction about dilution, volume or content of what's in the vapor relative to what is released into a room-sized volume when making, say, eggplant parmiagana.
There is nothing "superheated" going into anyone's mouth from an ecig, or it would be blistering their tongues. The point of using vegetable glycerin and propylene glycol (also used as a carrier vapor in asthma inhalers) is that they vaporize at a relatively low temperature. So, yes indeed, there is a hot metal heating element in the ecig to vaporize the carrier, but that doesn't mean that anything is being "superheated" any more so than putting a resistance heater into water to make instant ramen in a dorm room coffee cup.
And here again, those asthma inhalers contain powerful pharmaceuticals, of which what is not absorbed is exhaled. Neither you nor ANYONE else has ever raised an objection to the use of them indoors, and the reason why is that the concentration of anything that anyone is exhaling into a room is tremendously more diluted than the concentration in relation to the volume of the lungs of the user.
Even with second hand cigarette smoke, the argument was never about whether anyone was going to become addicted to nicotine, or exposed to nicotine in any significant amount, by the smoke. It was about the carcinogenic combustion products of the smoke, which come off of the end of the cigarette whether the user is inhaling or not.
People are giving off a variety of chemicals, some you can smell and most you cannot, from laundry detergents and treatments, deodorants, shampoos, cosmetics and on and on... The thing is, in ordinary indoor environments with ordinary air circulation, the concentration of the identifiably harmful vapors coming from those things never builds to a level anywhere near what would produce any sort of statistically significant exposure level. But it would not surprise me or anyone else if there were in fact a handful of statistical injuries from those things over a population of a couple hundred million people over time. The reaction to ecigs, however, is a knee jerk based on (a) one experiment of what comes out of crappy cig-a-likes in which a heating element is pressed up against an organic foam sponge which, I absolutely agree, is a shitty design I'd be in favor of banning outright, and (b) invalid analogies to second hand smoke from cigarettes that had NOTHING to do with the extremely low concentration of exhaled nicotine.
If you smell something cooking, you are inhaling carcinogens. Period.
Children are injured by coffee quite seriously and quite frequently. Period. (aside from the burns, they also get poisoned by eating ground coffee and used grounds)
And, finally, "superheated" as a chemical process term means "exposed to a temperature above the temperature of vaporization". Exposing liquid water to a temperature above 212 F is "superheating". We call it "boiling".
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)have been submitted and approved by the FDA.
I welcome the proposed new regulations which would require e-cig manufacturers to submit their ingredients to the FDA.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)And I would be interested in the studies on second hand effects, which are NOT a factor considered by the FDA in approving safety and efficacy of a drug. If it was, we wouldn't have all those hormones going into our water from medications.
Secondly, the facts of diffusion and concentration do not differ whether PG is used in an asthma inhaler or an ecig.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)coffee grounds. I looked and couldn't find anything about that. In fact, coffee grounds are often suggested as an "undesirable" material to mix medications with when disposing, because of the bitter taste.
https://www.health.ny.gov/prevention/injury_prevention/poison_proof_your_home.htm
Don't you think bitter coffee grounds are far less likely to tempt a toddler to overdose (on caffeine) than a highly concentrated bottle of sweet e-juice on nicotine?
And do you support requiring child safety caps on all e-juices that are still protective even after first opened? (As someone told me they already have in Europe.)
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)However, they do drop dead from energy drinks.
That someone wouldn't favor childproof caps on any particular variety of toxin is an odd question, really, and has nothing to do with ecigs in particular.
There are no children in my house and I prefer non-childproof caps in general, which is the way that OTC medicines went after finding that elderly people with arthritis couldn't open their aspirin. And then, what do people do:
However, whether any particular product needs a childproof cap doesn't have diddly to do with the FDA. That's a CPSC issue.
http://www.cpsc.gov/en/Business--Manufacturing/Business-Education/Business-Guidance/PPPA/
The PPPA allows the Commission to set rules requiring child-resistant packaging for specific types of products customarily used in or around the household if the Commission determines:
1. that those products present a risk of serious injury or serious illness to children under 5 who are able to open the packages of the products and drink, eat, or handle the contents, and
2. that technology exists or can be developed to produce child-resistant packaging for such products, that the packaging can be used with modern mass production and assembly techniques, and that the packaging will adequately protect the integrity of the product and not interfere with the products intended storage or use.
Do you really expect an argument on whether they should be in childproof containers?
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)demanding them, and why aren't the producers making them?
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/24/business/selling-a-poison-by-the-barrel-liquid-nicotine-for-e-cigarettes.html?_r=0
Reports of accidental poisonings, notably among children, are soaring. Since 2011, there appears to have been one death in the United States, a suicide by an adult who injected nicotine. But less serious cases have led to a surge in calls to poison control centers. Nationwide, the number of cases linked to e-liquids jumped to 1,351 in 2013, a 300 percent increase from 2012, and the number is on pace to double this year, according to information from the National Poison Data System. Of the cases in 2013, 365 were referred to hospitals, triple the previous years number.
Examples come from across the country. Last month, a 2-year-old girl in Oklahoma City drank a small bottle of a parents nicotine liquid, started vomiting and was rushed to an emergency room.
That case and age group is considered typical. Of the 74 e-cigarette and nicotine poisoning cases called into Minnesota poison control in 2013, 29 involved children age 2 and under. In Oklahoma, all but two of the 25 cases in the first two months of this year involved children age 4 and under.
In terms of the immediate poison risk, e-liquids are far more dangerous than tobacco, because the liquid is absorbed more quickly, even in diluted concentrations.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Let's not pretend that your issue here is "dangerous things people have around the house".
You tell me why people don't demand a barrier on the edge of stove tops that keep small children from grabbing the handles of pans on the stove, and why stove manufacturers don't make them.
I don't demand them because there are no small children in my household, just like the reason why the cap requirements for OTC drugs were relaxed.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Pans are higher than stovetops, and most toddlers can't reach the handles.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)WHAT ARE THE MOST FREQUENT SOURCES OF THESE INJURIES?
Scalds from spilled food and beverages: 100,000
(Child pulls pot off of stove)
(Toddler bumps into adult carrying or holding hot food or beverage)
(Toddler pulls tablecloth, spilling hot food or beverage off of table)
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Hallelujah, it's down to 100,000 injured kids.
Why aren't people demanding spill-proof cups for coffee?
Alcoholic beverage containers, of course, should not be child proof, for obvious reasons.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)All of the following items are sold and purchased separately, since people have different preferences on battery capacity, tank, etc..
Of the "things pnwmom wants the FDA to regulate" could you identify them:
1.
This is a battery. It contains a switch, some recharging circuitry, and a standard threaded head. They come in a variety of capacities, variable voltages, etc. It contains no nicotine. There are a variety of models made by different manufacturers.
Some of them have decorative designs. I understand you don't like the vinyl sticky wrap labels with colorful designs on them. In what way would you propose the FDA regulate the color, design, or sticky labels that can be applied to the battery?
2.
This is an atomizer. It is a tube which holds liquid and screws onto the battery. It contains a silica wick, a heating element and a mouthpiece. It contains no nicotine. In what way would you propose the FDA regulate it?
3.
This is a different atomizer. Like #2, it contains a silica wick, a heating element, and a mouthpiece. Also like #2, it can be screwed onto the battery shown in #1, and illustrates another of the various types of things which can be screwed onto the battery. I assume the black one is okay and the silver one might be okay. Am I correct in understanding the other colors should be banned?
I would like to understand which of these items, none of which necessitate the use of nicotine-containing liquid, you believe should be regulated by the FDA and in what way.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)or, for e-juice bottles marketed to arthritic people, clearly readable labeling indicating that the bottle is NOT child proof and that a serious poisoning or even death could result if a child swallows the e-juice.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)think of the children.. dammit... with your fancy vapor that reeks like air...
dionysus
(26,467 posts)with 6 people vaping in a small room...
as far as the toxicity of nicotine liquid, that goes for any common household cleaner in your house as well.
why are you so against it?
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)to cure the latest made up disorder, "Caffeine Use Disorder". I can see the commercials now........ A man suddenly decides to take his wife to New Zealand, or...(what was the other one? Oh yeah...) buy a camper and explore the Grand Canyon...now he is FREE from "Caffeine Use Disorder" by taking Decaffuckitall.
ASK YOUR DOCTOR.
Laffy Kat
(16,383 posts)Gave up smokes over 20 years ago. NOT giving up my one or two cups a day. Nope. No way.
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)Sucked for about two weeks. Afterwards I felt improved. More consistent energy levels throughout the day and I didn't need to rely on some external substance to function.
Now I have it three to four times a week as needed. Never two days consecutively. I think this is a happy medium.
Uben
(7,719 posts)......damned coffee drinkers. I have to sit and smell that disgusting stuff!
/sarcasm
Gary Garrison
(31 posts)It puts me in a positive mood.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)yes INDEED
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)For the acid reflux.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)That's one more sphincter than I thought I had!
tavernier
(12,392 posts)They say it is good for me.
At age 67, I don't like it much. I prefer tea, but still, I would rather just not have either. I like a sip of something cold and refreshing in the morning, like juice or water.
I'm a nurse, and I
work with many patients all day long... strenuous work; lots of calorie burns. I drink tap water at these times. At the end of the day, my drink of choice is wine or rum.
I feel great, but according to the stats, I guess I'm gonna die.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)Wonderful stuff!
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)someone consuming multiple cups of coffee throughout the day, and someone like me who has one cup in the morning only.
I think the essential problem is that there are too many super caffeinated drinks out there, the energy drinks. And can't you get double and triple shots of espresso at the coffee rip-off emporiums?
Mosby
(16,318 posts)Mosty by relpacing it with tea.
Cup or two of Earl Grey in the morning and a cup of chun mee green at bedtime.