Folks, you have to take the Bundy Comments in their FULL Context and NOT the cherry picked statement

[MohRokTah]

I strongly urge everybody to go listen to the entirety of Bundy's statements.

I must admit, those cherry picked comments in the New York Times paints a portrait of a man who seems to be pretty damned racist.

IF you listen to everything and not only what the New York Times printed, it becomes very evident that this poor old man is simply being mislabeled as pretty damned racist and should instead be considered an EXTREME RIGHT WING WHITE SUPREMACIST.

The statements printed in the New York Times were the most tame statements of a racist nature.

[MineralMan]

1. Sorry. I did not pay close enough attention.

Last edited Thu Apr 24, 2014, 09:19 PM - Edit history (1)

My bad.

[MohRokTah]

2. Apparently you failed to read the OP. eom

[Liberal_in_LA]

23. plus 1

[MineralMan]

60. Yes, apparently so.

I have edited my post. I have been away from my computer. Sorry for my misunderstanding.

[MohRokTah]

61. No problems

My dry humor got the best of me and confused you.

No harm no foul.

[Rockyj]

69. I do that @ times on tritter...

I mistake some comments for the exact opposite!

[ForgoTheConsequence]

3. This is defending him....?

"should instead be considered an EXTREME RIGHT WING WHITE SUPREMACIST. "

[ChisolmTrailDem]

7. Huh? Yea, I've been confused once today myself. It happens. Doesn't make you stupid. nt

[frazzled]

8. I don't think the OP wasn't defending him: he's saying he's WORSE ...

than a run-of-the-mill racist. He's an actual white supremacist.

[TheCowsCameHome]

33. No fair. You actually read it.

[robbob]

67. My boss got us good once

He sent out a long e-mail to all employees. The e-mail began with "Please read entire e-mail before proceeding" and then went on with a long list of requests for documentation regarding projects we were working on, estimated time left, etc. etc., and finally concluded with "Please ignore all the above, I just wanted to see who would read through to the bottom before continuing. Send me a reply when you have finished reading this."

I am happy to say I am one of the few who read it all the way through; many many fellow employees started wasting time trying to fulfill his demands (he WAS a rather demanding boss) and ended up with egg on face, and a wasted hour or two before he let them in on the joke.

Lesson: always read the entire post before commenting...

[phleshdef]

9. Read before you reply

[Ishoutandscream2]

11. Swing and a miss

[Hissyspit]

12. POINT OF OP:

"He's been taken out of context!"

O.K. let's put him back into context. Uh, oh, that makes what he said MUCH WORSE.

[marew]

13. Defending him? Really?

Wow! Not what I read at all!

[Skittles]

74. ? did you read the whole post?

[randome]

15. Really, MM, why can't you be perfect like the rest of us?

And geeze, the rest of you, lighten up!
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Don't ever underestimate the long-term effects of a good night's sleep.[/center][/font][hr]

[MohRokTah]

16. I would've expected a comment from him.

Something along the lines of "D'oh!"

[randome]

22. I know. Multi-tasking can sometimes be a two-edged sword.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]

[marew]

26. But that is so Republican-like!

Jump to a conclusion- make up your mind- before getting all the facts! GOP erroneous talking points for instance- People are poor because they don't work as hard as the 1%, certain people are lazy, many Americans are "takers" and contribute nothing, etc.

[Rex]

31. LOL!

[rhett o rick]

32. Do you say the same when everyone makes a mistake or just those in the Group?

I might agree that people should lighten up except for this snark, "Why are you defending him here on DU, I wonder..."

[randome]

49. Only for those in The Group.

Defined by me as everyone on DU.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]A 90% chance of rain means the same as a 10% chance:
It might rain and it might not.[/center][/font][hr]

[Electric Monk]

24. LOL

Nah. He's a racist, pure and simple, and an apologist for

slavery. And that's the truth.

Why are you defending him here on DU, I wonder...

[2naSalit]

35. Forgot

this perhaps???

[jberryhill]

29. Pull over, buddy, gonna need to see your internet license

[arely staircase]

42. the op is saying he is worse than that nt

[Efilroft Sul]

45. Misreadings happen to the best of us.

I blew it serving on a DU jury earlier this week by misreading the alerted post and making the totally wrong decision; guess I shouldn't stay up past my bedtime. Anyway, your initial reaction to the OP can't be any worse than what I did, and you probably get Moh's point now.

[randome]

50. No worse than all of us have done at times.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]A 90% chance of rain means the same as a 10% chance:
It might rain and it might not.[/center][/font][hr]

[dotymed]

54. You are being played by TPTB.

They do not want us to Unite.
Bundy, in his ignorant, entitled way is saying that non-whites are targeted for prison and police harassment. "They" including the media will twist anything to prevent Americans from Uniting and REVOLTing against them.
I do not like him or his cause but this is a great chance (that TPTB are "playing down", out of FEAR that Progressives, conservatives and all non-wealthy Americans may realize that the time has come) to stand up and demand equality.
Your call. Are you ready? I am and I will make it clear that I am standing against them and not for Bundy.

[DinahMoeHum]

5. The guy's a welfare prick AND a racist pig. . .

. . .and that's the long and the short of it.

[Catherine Vincent]

6. Similar comments from the Duck Dynasty guy

Didn't he basically say the same thing recently? Or am I confusing him with someone else?

[MohRokTah]

10. IF you listen to Bundy's statements he's worse than the Duck Dynasty guy

and he made statements much worse than what the NYT printed. He basically says that black people aren't part of "We the People".

[notadmblnd]

27. And from what Bundy says- Bundy isn't part of "we the people" either. So what does that make him?

Too stupid to know he's a stupid bigot.

[VanillaRhapsody]

28. The Duck Dynasty guy said "you should marry off the girls before they are 16...

so you can train em how to pick your ducks"

How is that less?

[wheniwasincongress]

20. Same idea that slaves were happy

Duck Guy said slaves had no problem being slaves and would sing while working and apparently get through life happy - Bundy has essentially spoken more at length about The Negroes.

[Petrushka]

66. The "Duck Guy" wasn't talking about slaves but about his fellow field-workers way-back-when --->

"I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person. Not once," he said. “Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash. We’re going across the field … They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’—not a word!… Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.”



P.S.
Forgive me for not providing a link . . . lost it when doing the copy-and-paste above.

[Rex]

14. Seems someone did not read the full context of your OP!

They really do need to correct that to White supremacist.

[blkmusclmachine]

17. So, the "lib'rul media" are whitewashing another GOP-unfriendly story?!?!

[Kablooie]

18. He's just a typical Republican conservative, that's all. Nothing to see here.

He just says what all the others won't say in public.

[jeff47]

19. Believe it or not, your characterization isn't completely accurate.

He's quite fond of "Mexicans", his term for undocumented workers.

[MohRokTah]

21. He's a ranch owner.

Undocumented workers are cheap labor, and at times free labor (one might say "slave labor&quot , for unsavory ranchers. If Bundy's proven anything, it's that he is perfectly willing to lie cheat and steal to enrich himself and picking up some undocumented workers to get some work done on his ranch then telling them to leave because he's calling immigration would not be something he is incapable of.

[lunasun]

53. heard he made a lot of racist comments about Mexicans too in the same recording

but no link
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=787670

[JoePhilly]

25. He's gonna keep talking unitl the Koch brothers pay that Million he owes.

[randys1]

30. Good one, and no shit.

Look, This Bundy guy is literally the face of the moderin Republican Party and Teaparty, this is exactly who they are

Sadly, they wont be satisfied till they start another civil war, I fear.

Your way of describing this though is a perfect example of how one could be taken out of context, but not in this case...


I mean you know what I mean, ahh shit, now you got me confused

[2naSalit]

37. Did you mean...

Ya know what I mean, I mean, you know what I mean?


I think it's the RWNJ's way of telling us that if we wouldn't accept their white collar version of bigotry and 'merkin exceptionalism (Rmoney), perhaps we'd prefer this salt of the earth, er... or from between the toes... no, no... I mean... um

oh phooey, sh*t-stain... yeah, yeah that's it!

[rhett o rick]

34. We need to remember to put together a poster of Dickhead Bundy, Hannity, and Jeb-Babs-Fav (or

whoever is the Repub candidate).

[Bigmack]

36. ... and Ted Nugent... nt

[2naSalit]

38. ...

[rhett o rick]

57. Yep!. nm

[Thinkingabout]

39. I listened and he is condemning others who in his vision is receiving welfare and he is the welfare

cowboy. He picked out one race to say this about, he is telling his vision perhaps but he needs to look at himself first.


https://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=slv1-obna&p=bundy%20statement&type=W3i_TB,191,0_0,Search,20140208,20010,0,IE11,7635

[AlbertCat]

47. He's also a "patriot"...

..... exactly what country he is "patriotic" about is what we can't figure out.

[Thinkingabout]

56. I guess I can take Patriotic off my bucket list.

[shenmue]

40. You mean he sucks even worse?

Zoiks.

[alp227]

41. Ha. You got me there.

I expand on that issue in a historical context as well, in this thread. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024867378

[spanone]

43. and probably a soon-to-be fox commentator

[Drunken Irishman]

44. Agreed. This is deeper than just saying something racist.

It's a belief that the white man is superior in every way to the black man. It's absolutely the shit a white supremacist would push. There's racism, stupid comments that make you look dumb (Michael Richards comes to mind) and then there's outright Sieg Heil type bullshit. This is the latter.

[1StrongBlackMan]

46. Where can I find the full text of what he said ...

I can only imagine what else he told them he knew about us nigras.

[951-Riverside]

55. The Full Text (Here)

…” and so what I’ve testified to ya’, I was in the WATTS riot, I seen the beginning fire and I seen the last fire. What I seen is civil disturbance. People are not happy, people is thinking they did not have their freedom; they didn’t have these things, and they didn’t have them.

We’ve progressed quite a bit from that day until now, and sure don’t want to go back; we sure don’t want the colored people to go back to that point; we sure don’t want these Mexican people to go back to that point; and we can make a difference right now by taking care of some of these bureaucracies, and do it in a peaceful way.

Let me tell.. talk to you about the Mexicans, and these are just things I know about the negroes. I want to tell you one more thing I know about the negro.

When I go, went, go to Las Vegas, North Las Vegas; and I would see these little government houses, and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids…. and there was always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch. They didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do.

And because they were basically on government subsidy – so now what do they do? They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never, they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered are they were better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things? Or are they better off under government subsidy?

You know they didn’t get no more freedom, uh they got less freedom – they got less family life, and their happiness -you could see it in their faces- they were not happy sitting on that concrete sidewalk. Down there they was probably growing their turnips – so that’s all government, that’s not freedom.

Now, let me talk about the Spanish people. You know I understand that they come over here against our constitution and cross our borders. But they’re here and they’re people – and I’ve worked side-by-side a lot of them.

Don’t tell me they don’t work, and don’t tell me they don’t pay taxes. And don’t tell me they don’t have better family structure than most of us white people. When you see those Mexican families, they’re together, they picnic together, they’re spending their time together, and I’ll tell you in my way of thinking they’re awful nice people.

And we need to have those people join us and be with us…. not, not come to our party.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

62. is there a link for that? I want to share it with a friend

Thank you!

[AlbertCat]

48. You didn't think those militias just showed up, did you?

They were called in! He's one of them! They are all white supremacists.

[awoke_in_2003]

51. I now know how the Charger's defense felt...

when Peyton Manning would yell "Omaha"- I almost jumped too quick.

[maindawg]

52. He is a gold mine for the Dems

I hope he keeps talking. I hope he is on Letterman tonight.

[handmade34]

58. ...

[Cha]

59. Bundy is pro slavery.. we know that.

[padruig]

63. Rachel Maddow (4/24 broadcast)

I would encourage everyone to watch Rachel Maddow's show from last evening. She goes into great detail about the White Supremacy movement, the organization called "Posse Comitatus" and what we may benevolently refer to as 'white entitlement'

It puts Mr. Bundy's comment squarely in perspective.

[demigoddess]

64. I think he has alzheimer's or dementia

and that is on top of his utter ignorance of history. Heard him going on about 'the front of the bus'. He doesn't realize that phrase meant in front of the area blacks were told to stay in, as in, the 'back of the bus'.

[maddiemom]

65. I now feel the slightest stirring of sympathy for Mr. Bundy. He is embarrassed by

the way his comments are taken, rather than doubling down stubbornly. As someone mentioned above, he sounds a bit like he's suffering early onset Alzheimers.

[Enthusiast]

68. Bundy fits right in to the Repubican mainstream.

[Gothmog]

70. An oldie but goodie

[Adrahil]

71. LOL.... I have Rageus Interruptus!

I was all ready to go Medieval on ya, but then I read read the original OP.

Well played. Well played, INDEED.

[Shandris]

72. Nothing says 'extreme right wing white supremacist' like an admiring description of how he views...

...hispanic families in comparison to whites. I know when I hear neo-nazis talk, the very first thing they do is express admiration for non-whites over whites.

Personally I doubt the guy is intentionally racist. I think he doesn't keep up with modern terminology (and seriously, who does at his age?) and the 'shifting of the tides' and a bunch of people (read: us) expect him to be up to date with the most recent internet outrages and 'microaggressions'. I have no doubt we could affix a label of every single -ism we don't like to him. It's very, very easy to do so to anyone (and yes, I mean anyone).

Before someone decides I'm 'defending' him, I'm not. I'm saying that he's a product of his age and there's nothing to defend. The past is the past, and those who grew up in the past will remain inevitably tied to the past in the vast majority of cases. He's also in the twilight of life, and will be gone before we know it. His children and grandchildren will grow up in a different world and eventually every last vestige of the past will be gone, all without a single word of self-congratulatory browbeating from the Internet Hate Machine. Half the front page of this site is currently devoted to attacking a guy who we know from media presentations of less than a minute or two in length. Is he 'racist'? Probably, yes. In fact, quite probably. I doubt it's the intentional kind, or the 'my race is superior to yours' kind that the word meant until a couple years ago, but under the 'modern' definition, sure, I'll bet good money he is. Sexist? Almost certainly.

Hate-filled, evil, white supremacist? I suppose anything is possible, but I doubt it. But my gods, do we love to throw those words around.

[MohRokTah]

73. He's a rancher. He's also a deadbeat.

Undocumented workers are either extremely cheap or free labor, depending on how evil an unscrupulous rancher feels that day.

I'm sure he's exploited his fair share of undocumented workers given his propensity to be a thieving lying bastard.

[Shandris]

75. I'm sure you're probably right on that; he's a capitalist, which pretty much makes the rest...

...a veritable guarantee.

I was only pointing out that that doesn't fit the criteria (imo) of a white supremacist. I don't think he's a good guy or anything of the sort. I think I'm more just very careful about labels than anything, given the sheer number I've had applied to me over the course of my life (with the vast majority of them being completely wrong).