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drm604

(16,230 posts)
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 08:07 PM Mar 2012

Who's watching Ed Schultz? Holy Crap!

Last edited Wed Mar 28, 2012, 10:36 PM - Edit history (1)

The police report after the incident listed Trayvon Martin's full name, date of birth, and other info. So why did his body lie in the morgue as a John Doe for 3 days?

Also, they're showing a surveillance video of Zimmerman being taken out of the police car at the police station after the incident. There are no apparent injuries or blood, and no apparent grass stains.


Edited to add: link to police report

Edited again to add: Link to video

Edited again: Video of interview with funeral director who says that he saw no injuries on Trayvon's hands or knuckles: http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/03/28/trayvon-martin-funeral-director-speaks

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Who's watching Ed Schultz? Holy Crap! (Original Post) drm604 Mar 2012 OP
I am watching Big Ed right now ~ goclark Mar 2012 #1
Here's the video. drm604 Mar 2012 #2
We call this story falling appart. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #3
No we call this "BUSTED" & "COVERUP" Rosco T. Mar 2012 #10
It goes A LOT higher than the department Horse with no Name Mar 2012 #27
State Attorney is under the Governor I THINK. n/m Rosco T. Mar 2012 #40
DOJ is strictly federal. caseymoz Mar 2012 #58
Zimmerman's dad was a judge. Evidently he had gotten his son off loudsue Mar 2012 #60
N he is the state attorney state elected nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #82
Yep! And it smelled bad from the beginning. I think it's been a total cover up. n/t RKP5637 Mar 2012 #80
FUCK ME STANDING STILL!!! THIS IS HUGE!!!!!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2012 #4
I love the truth! robinlynne Mar 2012 #11
CALL YOUR CONGRESSCRITTER, RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!1!!! madinmaryland Mar 2012 #24
Mine is Van Hollen. I see you're in MD. Who's yours? I will call VH tomorrow. :) Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2012 #36
John Sarbanes. nt madinmaryland Mar 2012 #70
I'd call mine but... tonybgood Mar 2012 #66
A Teabagger here -would not call out of fear of future harrasment!!! lunasun Mar 2012 #69
I knew about this. the fuckwads didn't bother to check his cell phone for cali Mar 2012 #39
Massive police cover-up! Odin2005 Mar 2012 #5
got to clear up the misinformation CatWoman Mar 2012 #6
When was the police report filled out? drm604 Mar 2012 #14
I don't know about the police report CatWoman Mar 2012 #15
i don't know how it is in FL barbtries Mar 2012 #54
I'm sorry... EmeraldCityGrl Mar 2012 #59
thank you barbtries Mar 2012 #63
Same thing happened to our family after an accident. We were told the following morning sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #86
i'm very sorry for your loss sabrina. barbtries Mar 2012 #89
Thank you, barbtries. I am so, so sorry about your daughter. I cannot imagine the pain sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #90
yes, keeping him away from his family, better mean they were able to gather a lot of... got root Mar 2012 #41
is it possible (or normal) that they didn't have the info then, then update as info comes in? themaguffin Mar 2012 #7
I'm wondering the same thing. drm604 Mar 2012 #16
They couldn't find the parent who lived around the block Horse with no Name Mar 2012 #30
Me. The revelations keep coming n/t EmeraldCityGrl Mar 2012 #8
Why would he be John Doe? marlakay Mar 2012 #9
That's the question many have been asking since day one. napi21 Mar 2012 #18
Until the family identifies the body he is an official John Doe Horse with no Name Mar 2012 #34
Watching! unionworks Mar 2012 #12
And a shaved head to boot. You can see all the way to the scalp. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2012 #23
Oh come on! Aerows Mar 2012 #47
been watching and I rarely watch MSM at all fascisthunter Mar 2012 #13
Keith Oberman and Jane Velez-Mitchell on HLN RebelOne Mar 2012 #17
Everybody but fox will show it. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #20
Important to remember that it had been raining that night... ellisonz Mar 2012 #19
And I would have expected blood stains on the shirt from the rain. NutmegYankee Mar 2012 #25
Right. Where's the mud? aquart Mar 2012 #28
He doesn't look disheveled at all. ellisonz Mar 2012 #35
even worse is when you're a gardener and have to fight ... bayareaboy Mar 2012 #52
Welcome to DU! ellisonz Mar 2012 #53
Berkeley is pretty bizarre to work in! bayareaboy Mar 2012 #67
Go to Hawaii bro! ellisonz Mar 2012 #72
Twist my arm ... ... bayareaboy Mar 2012 #73
I hope you have health insurance! ellisonz Mar 2012 #74
I have kaiser bayareaboy Mar 2012 #85
With how much noses and heads bleed nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #29
It's starting to look more and more like a straight cover-up from the scene onwards. ellisonz Mar 2012 #37
No blood. No broken nose. No scalp lacerations. mainer Mar 2012 #21
Some people need to lose their jobs and pensions. aquart Mar 2012 #31
and be in the cell next to Zimmerman Rosco T. Mar 2012 #32
and freedom (NT) The Wizard Mar 2012 #49
Some people need to lose their freedom, too. Mariana Mar 2012 #57
no blood karmkay Mar 2012 #77
Wonder who in the dept leaked that? Rosco T. Mar 2012 #22
The lead investigator who wanted to charge nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #26
Agree that this is HUGH! And Rev Sharpton had another bombshell Rhiannon12866 Mar 2012 #33
ABSOLUTELY watching! nt Raine Mar 2012 #38
Alan Grayson's on now! Rhiannon12866 Mar 2012 #42
Oh. The police lied Aerows Mar 2012 #43
Do you require the 'fainting couch'? Rex Mar 2012 #78
I think I fainted at the mention of it Aerows Mar 2012 #84
You are one bad ass tough as nails! Rex Mar 2012 #87
BIG stuff! supraTruth Mar 2012 #44
BIG STUFF! supraTruth Mar 2012 #46
I have to add Aerows Mar 2012 #45
I've had my nose broken twice CanonRay Mar 2012 #65
As the bartender in "Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy" said, "HE CLEANS UP REAL GOOD." Amerigo Vespucci Mar 2012 #48
Thanx for that cleaned up version, without the ABC Logo! countryjake Mar 2012 #61
Incredible. Major Hogwash Mar 2012 #50
COVER UP by Sanford PD! workinclasszero Mar 2012 #51
LOOKING AT ED NOW, can't make this ish up!!! uponit7771 Mar 2012 #55
Totally busted. Proof. Zimmerman is a liar and should be in jail. Period. And PS, babylonsister Mar 2012 #56
EMS cleaned him up pokerfan Mar 2012 #62
ROFL alcibiades_mystery Mar 2012 #75
The boy was murdered, plain and simple, now arrest the murderer already madokie Mar 2012 #64
No wounds on the head, no blood anywhere, no swelling on the face, nothing the fuck at all! Ganja Ninja Mar 2012 #68
There should be medical records honeylady Mar 2012 #71
yes, but onethatcares Mar 2012 #76
Plus he had Skittles! KamaAina Mar 2012 #79
Maybe because he had no injuries on his hands? McCamy Taylor Mar 2012 #81
I wouldn't be surprised. drm604 Mar 2012 #83
Just one point to consider... EmeraldCityGrl Mar 2012 #88

Rosco T.

(6,496 posts)
10. No we call this "BUSTED" & "COVERUP"
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 08:15 PM
Mar 2012

lies, coverups, he was friends with the dept...

this is not going to turn out well for dept and those involved.

Horse with no Name

(33,956 posts)
27. It goes A LOT higher than the department
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 08:32 PM
Mar 2012

I think the department was silenced on the direction of the STATE ATTORNEY...he should be FIRED for the little bit that we know at this point.

Isn't he under the direction of the DOJ?

caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
58. DOJ is strictly federal.
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 01:07 AM
Mar 2012

No, it's under the state executive branch. The state attorney general or governor usually.

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
60. Zimmerman's dad was a judge. Evidently he had gotten his son off
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 01:39 AM
Mar 2012

before on other charges....through the good ole boy system.

tonybgood

(218 posts)
66. I'd call mine but...
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 09:48 AM
Mar 2012

I live in Ohio's 8th Congressional District and my representative is John Boehner. Enough said.

CatWoman

(79,302 posts)
6. got to clear up the misinformation
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 08:13 PM
Mar 2012

the police came to Martin's GF's house the next day and the dad id'd Trayvon from a pic.

He did, however, stay in the morgue for 3 days.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
14. When was the police report filled out?
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 08:17 PM
Mar 2012

I'm not doubting you, just trying to put the pieces together.

It still doesn't make sense that they kept his body from his family for 3 days.

CatWoman

(79,302 posts)
15. I don't know about the police report
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 08:19 PM
Mar 2012

but so far as the morgue info, it's posted on here somewhere. I'll try to find it.

on edit: found it!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002485994

barbtries

(28,795 posts)
54. i don't know how it is in FL
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 11:17 PM
Mar 2012

but in los angeles there is a logjam at the morgue. my daughter's body was kept for more than three days because they had to perform an autopsy. in fact we got it expedited on religious grounds, because she's jewish. even so it was 6 days before the funeral because i refused to have a funeral with an empty casket (though that offer was made).

"I started making calls, and I reached my nephew," Martin says. "He said he hadn't seen Trayvon. Then I really started getting worried. So I called the Sheriff's department to file a missing persons report. I let them know it hadn't been 24 hours, but it was unusual for Trayvon not to return home."

Three police cars soon pulled up and a detective asked Tracy for a recent picture of his son. "I had one on my phone, so I showed it to him," Tracy says, his voice tightening. "He told me he was going to show me a photo and ask if it was my son. He pulled out a photo of Trayvon's dead body. And the nightmare began."

Stunned and devastated, Tracy called Trayvon's mother, Sybrina Fulton, from whom he's been divorced for several years.

"I couldn't believe what I was hearing; it just didn't seem real," recalls Fulton, her eyes filling with tears. "And finally I said, 'I need you to go and actually identify his body.' I needed to know if that was my baby, dead."

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20581404,00.html

this one particular piece of misinformation just does not want to go away.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
86. Same thing happened to our family after an accident. We were told the following morning
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 01:58 AM
Mar 2012

while still in shock, that they had to do an autopsy. We objected, did not want or need any further wounding of the body. We were told it was the law and we had no choice. They told us the body would be released after they had completed the autopsy. I believe it was about three days.

The law regarding the autopsy, which horrified us, we found out later was put in place by Insurance Corps. The purpose was to try to find alcohol or drugs in order to reduce the amount of any claims made in a lawsuit. I cannot describe the horror we felt that morning. It seemed like such an invasion and against our wishes. The law, I read later was 'controversial' but when an accident occurs on a public road, they have the law on their side and there is nothing you can do about it.

I am sorry about your daughter. There really are no words that are adequate when such a tragedy occurs.

barbtries

(28,795 posts)
89. i'm very sorry for your loss sabrina.
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 06:42 AM
Mar 2012

because bekah's death was a homicide, we knew and understood that there had to be an autopsy. i never knew that about the law being the idea of insurance companies. i'm sorry that the ordeal increased your suffering.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
90. Thank you, barbtries. I am so, so sorry about your daughter. I cannot imagine the pain
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 08:08 PM
Mar 2012


We didn't know about the law either and I objected strongly when they called, at 7.AM the morning after the accident, but to no avail. I guess you are in shock anyhow when tragedies like this occur so it just seemed like a continuation of a nightmare in which we had lost control over everything.

Anyhow, take care of yourself and I all I can say is I wish these things did not happen to good people, or even not so good people.
 

got root

(425 posts)
41. yes, keeping him away from his family, better mean they were able to gather a lot of...
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 08:41 PM
Mar 2012

evidence vs trying to come up with a 'good' story to tell everyone.

it's just another thing that stinks in this case, and makes it so frustrating to see play out, but at least the truth is seeming to come out, even if in dribs and drabs.

i suspect the justice dept. will keep on leaking this kinda damning evidence if the PD and local authorities don't start to cooperate.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
16. I'm wondering the same thing.
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 08:21 PM
Mar 2012

Apparently though, they had his cellphone, so they could have tracked down someone who knew him much quicker than they apparently did. I guess it could be gross incompetence, but that seems unlikely.

Horse with no Name

(33,956 posts)
30. They couldn't find the parent who lived around the block
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 08:34 PM
Mar 2012

yet the STATE ATTORNEY HIMSELF is brought in THAT NIGHT...which is HIGHLY unusual.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
18. That's the question many have been asking since day one.
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 08:24 PM
Mar 2012

At this point, I wonder if we'll EVER going to find out what really happened.

Horse with no Name

(33,956 posts)
34. Until the family identifies the body he is an official John Doe
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 08:37 PM
Mar 2012

the fact that they weren't brought in that night is very suspect.

But..there was a coverup. And the body was unattended in the morgue for 3 days.
There is NO DOUBT that bodily evidence was tampered with. I have NO faith in anything that comes out of this "investigation".

It is a sham.

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
17. Keith Oberman and Jane Velez-Mitchell on HLN
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 08:23 PM
Mar 2012

both showed the video. I hope it is damning for Zimmerman since there does not seem to be any evidence of a broken nose.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
25. And I would have expected blood stains on the shirt from the rain.
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 08:29 PM
Mar 2012

However, there isn't one stain...

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
35. He doesn't look disheveled at all.
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 08:38 PM
Mar 2012

I should know, I've been a groundskeeper and a gardener. You get in a fight in wet grass and you're not going to look that clean.

bayareaboy

(793 posts)
52. even worse is when you're a gardener and have to fight ...
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 09:35 PM
Mar 2012

15 years as a landscape gardener in Berkeley Ca. I have been jumped on three times and I am still trying to figure that out. But it does leave lots of stains and lacerations on body parts.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
53. Welcome to DU!
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 09:59 PM
Mar 2012

Who attacks a gardener - I mean I never took much with me to work. Use pepper spray, it's a vegetable.

bayareaboy

(793 posts)
67. Berkeley is pretty bizarre to work in!
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 10:20 AM
Mar 2012

I worked for a while at Peoples Park, and lots of folks kind of made it their homes. It seemed as though whatever happened in the community was about twice that in frequency and intensity in the Parks.

I like being here at DU. It is OK, kind of like Berkeley without contact!

bayareaboy

(793 posts)
85. I have kaiser
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 01:46 AM
Mar 2012

Hope that will work. last time I was over, I had to go to a clinic, it was nice but no drinks with parasols though.
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
29. With how much noses and heads bleed
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 08:33 PM
Mar 2012

It would have to be quite the downpour.



Trust me on this, the rain just makes it quite messy. In fact, a drunk, bleeding from the head in the midst of rain...just ask a close friend who is a field medic...suffice it to say keeping your uniform more or less clean can be tricky.

If he was injured in a scuffle I will eat my shoe.

Hot damn, can we say police coverup? Motive, that's what I need now.

Mariana

(14,857 posts)
57. Some people need to lose their freedom, too.
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 12:10 AM
Mar 2012

If this is anywhere near as dirty as it appears to be, some people need to be in prison.

karmkay

(104 posts)
77. no blood
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 05:37 PM
Mar 2012

some talking head said that the quality of the video is too poor to show the blood. Does poor quality video fix a broken nose too??

Rhiannon12866

(205,405 posts)
33. Agree that this is HUGH! And Rev Sharpton had another bombshell
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 08:37 PM
Mar 2012

Interviewed the mother of a 13-year-old witness who recounted her conversaton with the lead investigator, said he told her that it was not "self-defense."

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
43. Oh. The police lied
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 08:45 PM
Mar 2012

That's a shock.

Someone get smelling salts out for me and the rest of the 30 million people that aren't all that shocked.

I do declare.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
84. I think I fainted at the mention of it
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 09:24 PM
Mar 2012

Police lying to incriminate people.

*falls down in shock*

Move over before I bust my nose and no blood appears.

I'm too tough to have blood appear when I am brutally attacked, punched in the face, and my clothing isn't disheveled.

I'm a bad ass neighborhood watch "captain", and I am the law, you ingrate. I protect your neighborhood by preemptively shooting people I don't recognize!

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
45. I have to add
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 08:55 PM
Mar 2012

Where is the broken bleeding nose? Zimmerman was defending himself after all, and bleeding all over himself..

Wait what? He's not bleeding all over himself and his nose looks to be untouched?

Oh, we must have gotten misinformation in the beginning.

Oh wait. You can get punched in the nose and NOT have it bleed, according to ProgressiveProfessor our resident vampire.

CanonRay

(14,101 posts)
65. I've had my nose broken twice
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 08:45 AM
Mar 2012

and let me tell you, you bleed about a quart. No way you can keep if off your shirt and hands. The broken nose is pure bullshit, and I don't see any abraisions on his head either. Nor are his clothes even mussed up, let alone torn. There was no fucking fight. This appears to be cold blooded murder.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
61. Thanx for that cleaned up version, without the ABC Logo!
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 01:50 AM
Mar 2012

Don't know why they'd release something as "exclusive" breaking news and then plaster their advertisement right across the middle of the video.

Finally, we can clearly see...nothing, whatsover...no blood, no grass stains or mud, no bruising, no beating.

I do see a bunch of dumb-acting cops, tho.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
51. COVER UP by Sanford PD!
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 09:26 PM
Mar 2012

Police department conspiracy to cover up the facts in this case.

They knew Zimmerman had no injuries, no broken nose and yet said nothing as the right wing hate machine made up lie after lie about the poor murderer Zimmerman defending himself from "thug" Trayvon!

Those bastards are accessories to murder as far as I'm concerned!

babylonsister

(171,066 posts)
56. Totally busted. Proof. Zimmerman is a liar and should be in jail. Period. And PS,
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 11:54 PM
Mar 2012

I love you all for keeping with this and sniffing out the truth!

madokie

(51,076 posts)
64. The boy was murdered, plain and simple, now arrest the murderer already
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 06:35 AM
Mar 2012

and his helpers in covering this murder up.

Ganja Ninja

(15,953 posts)
68. No wounds on the head, no blood anywhere, no swelling on the face, nothing the fuck at all!
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 11:26 AM
Mar 2012

Zimmerman must be a fast healer.

honeylady

(157 posts)
71. There should be medical records
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 12:34 PM
Mar 2012

if he was actually injured. When are his lawyers going to release his medical records to clear his name instead of just making statements about what happened. The cover up is because his father is a judge. He may be a founding member of the "old boys club" in his district. What other reason can a clear thinking person come up with? And why would a "higher up" come to the station on the night of the murder?

I'm telling you, this is going to blow up so big and all the idiots on the right who are trying to belittle T.M. and those who express outrage are going to look pretty damn bad!

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
79. Plus he had Skittles!
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 05:55 PM
Mar 2012

Skittles!! Do you realize that a single Skittle dropped from the observation deck of the Empire State Building could kill a man? And he had an entire bag of them!

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
81. Maybe because he had no injuries on his hands?
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 07:09 PM
Mar 2012

Maybe they were trying to figure out how to fake hand injuries that would fool a post mortem and they realized it could not be done so they had to let the body go. Probably did drug tests on the body, too, while it was lying there. And finger printed and DNA'd it and searched the criminal data base. Anything to protect the judge's son.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
83. I wouldn't be surprised.
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 07:50 PM
Mar 2012

There's obviously a concerted effort to demonize this poor kid, so it would make sense that they would desperately try to find something in his background that they could use.

EmeraldCityGrl

(4,310 posts)
88. Just one point to consider...
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 02:25 AM
Mar 2012

after Officer Chris Serreno ( the cop that thought GZ was guilty as hell ) showed up at Tracy Martin's house to
identify Trayvon with a brutal picture, Trayvon remained in the morgue for a day or two longer.

Funeral homes will not always pick-up the body until they have been partially paid. Depending on
what they were requiring, the Martin family may not have had a that kind of money readily available.
It's a fucking crime what people are charged to bury their loved ones especially if they want a traditional
funeral. When you are burying your child you would sell a limb to make it as beautiful a service as possible.

Just say'in could account for the extra day or two.

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