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Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 09:47 AM Apr 2014

Sutter County Sikh Told He Can’t Serve On Jury With Ceremonial Knife

Sutter County Sikh Told He Can’t Serve On Jury With Ceremonial Knife

YUBA CITY (CBS13) — A Sikh man wants to serve on a Sutter County jury, but the court will not let him because of the ceremonial weapon he carries.

Next week, Gursant Singh is scheduled for jury duty. He says he’ll be arriving with other members of his community, asking for the chance to serve on a jury.

“I feel very strongly that as a citizen of the United States that I should be able to serve as a juror,” he said.

Despite the fact he’s ready, he may never be allowed in the courthouse.

“They’ve put me in a position,” he said. “Either I violate my code of conduct with my religion, or I break the law.”

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2014/04/23/sutter-county-sikh-told-he-cant-serve-on-jury-with-ceremonial-knife/
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Sutter County Sikh Told He Can’t Serve On Jury With Ceremonial Knife (Original Post) Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 OP
How can I become a Sikh? tularetom Apr 2014 #1
Sikh and ye shall find. Orrex Apr 2014 #2
Guru ought to be spanked by Skittles for that!! nt msanthrope Apr 2014 #7
Feh. Skittles loves me. Orrex Apr 2014 #8
Interesting situation Orrex Apr 2014 #3
No it's not - No weapons in the courtroom... lame54 Apr 2014 #23
Pretty sure Second Amendmentnuts won't be backing this 'A-rab' up. nt onehandle Apr 2014 #4
Sikhs are not Arabs hack89 Apr 2014 #6
Why not just use a rubber replica? seveneyes Apr 2014 #5
Tell him to replace this with an AR15 or an M16 malaise Apr 2014 #9
I doubt he's allowed to fly on a plane with that thing. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #10
He may elect to not fly. However, jury duty is a legal requirement. nt Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #11
There is a really good reason for this ruling. nilesobek Apr 2014 #12
I would imagine the same argument could be made for his head-wrap. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #13
I don't know about that but I get your point nilesobek Apr 2014 #15
The typical Kirpan is tiny - not much more dangerous than a nail file. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2014 #22
A Sikh I worked with once showed me his kirpan. SwankyXomb Apr 2014 #27
We are governed by law, not your religion (at least not yet). Sheldon Cooper Apr 2014 #14
" I would say this to anyone claiming that their religion,whatever it is, should trump the law." Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #17
When did he say that? Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2014 #21
. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #24
my religion makes me carry around a ceremonial 30lb sledge hammer snooper2 Apr 2014 #16
I am a fellow "hammerer", hello brother! nt Logical Apr 2014 #26
He has no greater right to carry a knife than anyone else cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #18
His religion is too outdated Spirochete Apr 2014 #19
IIRC, Sikhs take exception to it being called a knife, don't they? Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2014 #20
I'd have to google it, myself. However, assuming you remember correctly Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #25

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
1. How can I become a Sikh?
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 09:53 AM
Apr 2014

From 2001 to 2007 I was called for jury duty every year. I never had to serve but I did have to go and sit there for a whole day each time until they decided they didn't need me.

lame54

(35,293 posts)
23. No it's not - No weapons in the courtroom...
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 04:46 PM
Apr 2014

If he can't undunderstand that
I wouldn't want him deciding my fate

hack89

(39,171 posts)
6. Sikhs are not Arabs
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 10:08 AM
Apr 2014

secondly, the RW loves Sikhs because they are socially conservative and are not Muslim . They are "good" foreigners.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
5. Why not just use a rubber replica?
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 09:59 AM
Apr 2014

While I see no reason to even bring a knife to jury duty, if it's just a symbolic issue then use an inert symbol.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
10. I doubt he's allowed to fly on a plane with that thing.
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 10:59 AM
Apr 2014

A plastic or rubber replica would seem to make sense.

nilesobek

(1,423 posts)
12. There is a really good reason for this ruling.
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 02:31 PM
Apr 2014

The knife could intimidate people in court or in the deliberating chambers. I can see it now, " I felt compelled to give this verdict because the dude with the knife had that particular point of view."

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
13. I would imagine the same argument could be made for his head-wrap.
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 02:38 PM
Apr 2014

You know how some people lose their minds over "scary looking foreigners."

nilesobek

(1,423 posts)
15. I don't know about that but I get your point
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 02:40 PM
Apr 2014

about people freaking out over foreigners. A head wrap is not made of sharp, cold steel.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
22. The typical Kirpan is tiny - not much more dangerous than a nail file.
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 03:01 PM
Apr 2014

Obviously, I don't know how big this guy's was, though.

SwankyXomb

(2,030 posts)
27. A Sikh I worked with once showed me his kirpan.
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 06:01 PM
Apr 2014

Thing was so dull it couldn't cut hot butter, or some of the liquefied RepubliDem brains that seem to be infesting DU these days.

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
14. We are governed by law, not your religion (at least not yet).
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 02:38 PM
Apr 2014

So put your knife down and go to the courthouse. And I would say this to anyone claiming that their religion,whatever it is, should trump the law.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
17. " I would say this to anyone claiming that their religion,whatever it is, should trump the law."
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 02:42 PM
Apr 2014

Is that what you would say to Rev. King?

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
21. When did he say that?
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 02:59 PM
Apr 2014

If he said in as many words that his religion should trump the law then he was wrong, I think.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
18. He has no greater right to carry a knife than anyone else
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 02:42 PM
Apr 2014

You don't gain extra rights from choice of religion.

The right he has is that the government cannot adopt a no-knife policy for the purpose of hassling Sikhs.

I am quite confident that this no-knife policy was adopted for reasons other than sticking it to those Sikhs.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
20. IIRC, Sikhs take exception to it being called a knife, don't they?
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 02:58 PM
Apr 2014

I think I've seen Sikhs writing that the Kirpan should be called a sword, not a knife.

I may be misremembering, though, or that may just have been one sikh with a bee in his bonnet about it. Can anyone else confirm or deny?

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
25. I'd have to google it, myself. However, assuming you remember correctly
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 05:13 PM
Apr 2014

the reporter and editor did a sloppy write-up.

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