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LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 03:50 PM Apr 2014

Phyllis Schlafly: Women Who Want To Find Husbands Don't Mind Pay Gap



Seriously, when will the GOP realize that dumbass shit said like this is the reason why women are leaving their party. Who wants to vote for idiots who think it is ok for a woman who does an equal job as a man deserves to make less money.



Conservative Activist: Women Who Want To Find Husbands Don't Mind Pay Gap
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/phyllis-schlafly-gender-pay-gap

Conservative activist Phyllis Schlafly wrote an op-ed Tuesday in favor of the gender wage gap -- her reasoning being that women prefer to be paid less so that they may marry higher-earning men.

Writing in the Christian Post, Schlafly, the president of Eagle Forum, argued that the "reasons for women voluntarily choosing lower pay are now beyond dispute among those who have looked at the facts." The reasons she lays out are familiar, including that women tend to pick a college major that pays less in the labor market or opt for reduced work hours.

From the op-ed:


While women prefer to HAVE a higher-earning partner, men generally prefer to BE the higher-earning partner in a relationship. This simple but profound difference between the sexes has powerful consequences for the so-called pay gap.

Suppose the pay gap between men and women were magically eliminated. If that happened, simple arithmetic suggests that half of women would be unable to find what they regard as a suitable mate.

Obviously, I'm not saying women won't date or marry a lower-earning men, only that they probably prefer not to. If a higher-earning man is not available, many women are more likely not to marry at all.


So there you have it - the only way to find a husband is to make less money than them.

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Phyllis Schlafly: Women Who Want To Find Husbands Don't Mind Pay Gap (Original Post) LynneSin Apr 2014 OP
I though her old ass was deceased bigdarryl Apr 2014 #1
Seriously - I remember how Bill the Cat had a crush on her LynneSin Apr 2014 #2
Jeanne Kirkpatrick was the babe beloved pscot Apr 2014 #11
Despicable woman, the world won't miss her hatred when she is gone. nt Mnemosyne Apr 2014 #3
well, I didn't wanna say that BUT I do think she needs to be placed in a home somewhere... CTyankee Apr 2014 #19
So, popular media . . . gratuitous Apr 2014 #4
stupid asshole RainDog Apr 2014 #5
How much is she worth? closeupready Apr 2014 #6
People have been programmed over the years to believe this crap. Frustratedlady Apr 2014 #7
Phyllis Schlafly: Ewww... MineralMan Apr 2014 #8
Ditto! Ewww! Double Ewww! lunatica Apr 2014 #16
Welcome to 1935! sinkingfeeling Apr 2014 #9
So basically she is saying wallet size -does- matter The Straight Story Apr 2014 #10
Yes because in her world we women are all money-grubbing gold diggers LynneSin Apr 2014 #21
Love??? pffft... LadyHawkAZ Apr 2014 #34
Oh my shenmue Apr 2014 #12
KKKlown. nt onehandle Apr 2014 #13
I don't know one warrior1 Apr 2014 #14
She didn't mention same-job wages Miguel Guate Apr 2014 #15
So she's just talking overall that we women should be doing lesser jobs at lesser salaries LynneSin Apr 2014 #23
Phyllis Schafly is the GOP's way of saying misogynist things without getting in trouble. chrisa Apr 2014 #17
Well... GoCubsGo Apr 2014 #18
One of her sons founded "conservapedia" RainDog Apr 2014 #20
67% of Americans say the man should be the primary breadwinner of a family davidn3600 Apr 2014 #22
That's thanks to Faux News, the GOP and Phyllis Schafly pounding the fact... LynneSin Apr 2014 #24
Thankfully I have some good friends that defy those stats. tammywammy Apr 2014 #25
"Support his family financially" is different from "be the primary breadwinner" DireStrike Apr 2014 #27
True, it depends on the interpretation of the question, but... davidn3600 Apr 2014 #28
She's still alive and spitting poison? Warpy Apr 2014 #26
I think she's around 89 Freddie Apr 2014 #29
That song can apply to so many odious public figures (even though it was written about Thatcher). nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #33
Apparently. Warren DeMontague Apr 2014 #31
PHUCK OFF PHYLLIS Skittles Apr 2014 #30
Can we please, please send her to the old folks' home already??? nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #32
early alzheimer's demigoddess Apr 2014 #35
Dear Phyllis, shut the f--- up already. 47of74 Apr 2014 #36

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
19. well, I didn't wanna say that BUT I do think she needs to be placed in a home somewhere...
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 04:44 PM
Apr 2014

her thinking is so 1950s it isn't even funny any more.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
4. So, popular media . . .
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 04:01 PM
Apr 2014

Are you going to be asking Republican candidates whether they agree with Mrs. Schlafly and her nitwit assertions? Yes? No? Maybe so? Or just probably not?

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
5. stupid asshole
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 04:04 PM
Apr 2014

the next thing you know, she'll say nuclear weapons are a gift from god...

...in "Women are the Best Warmakers" by Raymond Coffey in The Day [New London, Connecticut (8 July 1982)

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
6. How much is she worth?
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 04:06 PM
Apr 2014

Uh-huh. And we all know how she made HER money.

Disingenuousness, thy name is Phyllis Schlafly.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
7. People have been programmed over the years to believe this crap.
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 04:07 PM
Apr 2014

When women started going to work out of the home, people threw up their hands that it would cause divorce. Then, stop raising prices so she can stay home. Sheesh!

Granted, people began buying more...a second car, another TV, redecorated the house more often, etc., but the corporations loved it. They had the best of both worlds...a workforce of women that was cheaper than men and an expanded market.

Now, they blame women for wanting what is long overdue?

Give me a break.



lunatica

(53,410 posts)
16. Ditto! Ewww! Double Ewww!
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 04:29 PM
Apr 2014

To this day I always picture her meeting her husband at the front door with nothing but a cute little apron and a drink. It's made parts of my brain rot through and through. Or maybe that's the bleach...

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
10. So basically she is saying wallet size -does- matter
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 04:12 PM
Apr 2014
"Obviously, I'm not saying women won't date or marry a lower-earning men, only that they probably prefer not to. If a higher-earning man is not available, many women are more likely not to marry at all."

There go my dreams of finding a sugar momma.

LadyHawkAZ

(6,199 posts)
34. Love??? pffft...
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 07:36 PM
Apr 2014

Marriage is for makin' babies!!! All women want babies!

If us gosh darned modern uppity gals would just stop being so uppity and let our daddies arrange matters like Gawd intended, we wouldn't have these silly little problems in the first place!

 

Miguel Guate

(25 posts)
15. She didn't mention same-job wages
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 04:25 PM
Apr 2014

You said she believes women deserve less pay when performing the same job as men.
But the TPM article quotes her as staying women choose different jobs which pay less. I think the lady is wrong, but you should delete the same - job part.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
23. So she's just talking overall that we women should be doing lesser jobs at lesser salaries
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 05:55 PM
Apr 2014

And that the pay gap where women make 77 cents to the dollar of what men make is there to help us women to find husbands.

Why would I altar the article - it's accurate. And anything I said (not in the grey block area) I stand by.

chrisa

(4,524 posts)
17. Phyllis Schafly is the GOP's way of saying misogynist things without getting in trouble.
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 04:35 PM
Apr 2014

"See! A woman said it! It's okay!"

GoCubsGo

(32,086 posts)
18. Well...
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 04:40 PM
Apr 2014

My mom made significantly more than my dad did. They were both fine with that pay gap. In fact, Dad was able to retire early because of it. (Mom has a doctorate. Dad has a HS diploma. He had no problem helping put her through college and grad school, either.)

I didn't realize that nasty, old battle axe was still alive...

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
22. 67% of Americans say the man should be the primary breadwinner of a family
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 05:55 PM
Apr 2014

The traditional gender roles are still here, alive and well, whether we want to admit it or not.

Even so, the public hasn’t entirely discarded the traditional male breadwinner template for marriage. Some 67% of survey respondents say that in order to be ready for marriage, it’s very important for a man to be able to support his family financially; just 33% say the same about a woman.
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2010/11/18/the-decline-of-marriage-and-rise-of-new-families/


Statistics also show as a wife makes more money in relation to her husband, the divorce rate increases. Some of this is perhaps women who are simply in bad relationships now have the financial freedom to get out. However, that's not the whole picture since this trend exists in all income brackets from the poor to the super rich. So there is something else going on here. The social pressures men feel to be the "provider" and breadwinner can cause animosity in the marriage if he's not living up to that role especially if communication between the couple is failing. Some studies suggest men in that situation will see higher rates of depression and feelings of failing and inadequacy. And then this can take its toll on the relationship.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
24. That's thanks to Faux News, the GOP and Phyllis Schafly pounding the fact...
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 06:01 PM
Apr 2014

that somehow Men should be the breadwinners and women don't/shouldn't earn as much.

These people need to stop this antiquated way of thinking.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
25. Thankfully I have some good friends that defy those stats.
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 06:14 PM
Apr 2014

Of course, two couples don't redefine the stats. They each have very high earning women in the couple, at least double what the men make (and this includes my brother). Each have been married a very long time too, and seem (because no one really know what goes on in a home) to have very loving solid relationships.

DireStrike

(6,452 posts)
27. "Support his family financially" is different from "be the primary breadwinner"
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 06:27 PM
Apr 2014

I don't see in the article which wording was used in the actual question.

I would say yes to the first question, and no to the second. "Support" sounds to me more like providing some non-majority, but still not trivial amount.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
28. True, it depends on the interpretation of the question, but...
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 06:48 PM
Apr 2014

...I think it's asking pretty clearly who's job should it be to support the family....2/3rds say it's much more important for the man to be financially secure before marriage. In other words, it's still the man's job to provide the financial safety net. Men should make more than their wife. Etc, etc, etc... That's the social pressures that men typically feel.

I mean men who make less than their wife may even be mocked by peers. I remember back in 2004, some in the GOP was making fun of John Kerry because his wife has a higher net worth.

Freddie

(9,267 posts)
29. I think she's around 89
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 06:48 PM
Apr 2014

I wonder if they found an equally horrid anonymous person to ghost-write her column.
Can't think of any public figure I loathe more. Personally responsible for the loss of the ERA with her unisex-bathrooms garbage. In the words of one of my favorite artists, Elvis Costello:

"And when they finally put you in the ground
I'll stand on your grave and tramp the dirt down."

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
33. That song can apply to so many odious public figures (even though it was written about Thatcher).
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 07:26 PM
Apr 2014

Grave-dancing isn't my favorite activity, but it can certainly be cathartic.

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