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blm

(113,064 posts)
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 01:45 PM Apr 2014

Putin understood US politics. He knew attacking gays would get RW America cheering him, and

even praising him as a leader over that gay-friendly black guy Obama.

In his own country he used his attacks on gays to strengthen his support from church leaders there and used goons to attack gays on the street - highly PUBLICIZED attacks, especially here in the US. Bigots and homophobes are the same the world over. Putin became a RW superstar in the US by the start of the Olympic games.

I think Putin's plan for Ukraine had been in the works for much longer than media suggests. I believe he was calculated in his attacks on gays to specifically curry admiration with churches and RWers in his own country and in the US. The end of the Olympics triggered the beginning of his military actions to resurrect the USSR.

The GOP voter base have been useful idiots for Putin and his power grab.

I think today's GOP would repel and disgust Reagan at this point.

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Putin understood US politics. He knew attacking gays would get RW America cheering him, and (Original Post) blm Apr 2014 OP
Plausible. K & R riqster Apr 2014 #1
Russian propagandists spend a lot of time on Free Republic and TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #2
it was brought up to show what the right wing was saying JI7 Apr 2014 #4
Well, I don't know if the commenters who say such things believe it, but TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #6
i'm not surprised, it has been happening a lot JI7 Apr 2014 #8
Yep - I don't get why anyone thinks the timing is just coincidental. blm Apr 2014 #12
I think Putin is appealing to the Russian RW.... HooptieWagon Apr 2014 #3
didn't he write some piece in the nytimes ? and he certain does care how the world JI7 Apr 2014 #5
Yes, he did. Cha Apr 2014 #27
He's far more vain and calculating than you recognize. blm Apr 2014 #11
Some how I doubt Pooty gives a mink's furry ass what RWers in the US think. Behind the Aegis Apr 2014 #7
He likes that the RWers help to undermine Obama's power with congress in Washington. blm Apr 2014 #9
I doubt that Putin gives much of a fuck what anyone in the US thinks of him. Spider Jerusalem Apr 2014 #10
Oh he cares. What we think/would do was part of his Crimea calculus. He thought that stevenleser Apr 2014 #13
He cares about the actions of the government, not the opinions of the public. Spider Jerusalem Apr 2014 #17
The GOP congress keeps undermining Obama to keep him weak mainly to impress the RW base. blm Apr 2014 #19
Except how the RWers here influence a GOP congress intent on keeping Obama's presidency as weak as blm Apr 2014 #14
Repel and disgust Reagan? IDemo Apr 2014 #15
I get that - I was being narrow, specifically in regard to Putin's goal to reconstruct USSR blm Apr 2014 #25
I don't think he really cares RandoLoodie Apr 2014 #16
And Kerry killed a man with his bare hands in Vietnam to save his crew. Yeah, but Putin is so much blm Apr 2014 #26
He understands European right-wing politics, too. "Europe's Right wants closer ties with Russia" pampango Apr 2014 #18
Exactly - Putin's RW fan clubs are popping up all over the world. blm Apr 2014 #20
you're possibly right about Putin, but over-estimating Reagan yurbud Apr 2014 #21
I'm pretty clear-headed when it comes to Reagan. My point was that he'd be rolling to think GOP base blm Apr 2014 #22
that's more credible. thanks for clarification yurbud Apr 2014 #23
Similar to Russian support for Euro RW/Eurosceptics Bosonic Apr 2014 #24

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
2. Russian propagandists spend a lot of time on Free Republic and
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 03:23 PM
Apr 2014

other RW blogs talking about how the US military is weakened by homosexuals and can't fight anymore. They refer to the the US and Europe as "sodomites" and ruled by George Soros. The Soros talking point even came up here on DU a few weeks back.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
6. Well, I don't know if the commenters who say such things believe it, but
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 03:54 PM
Apr 2014

the opinions I mentioned come up a lot. I figured out that it was propagandists because some of the exact same talking points started showing up everywhere, all the time, across blogs and news sites of all political spectrums. All saying the same things, in the same wording. Edit to add: when it showed up on DU about "Soros" controlling events in Ukraine, another DUer called that poster on it as using a RW talking point.

blm

(113,064 posts)
12. Yep - I don't get why anyone thinks the timing is just coincidental.
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 01:25 PM
Apr 2014

Putin prepared for his invasion the same way Bush prepared for his candidacy and for his invasion. By strengthening his alliance with the religious fundamentalists and bigots.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
3. I think Putin is appealing to the Russian RW....
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 03:27 PM
Apr 2014

and probably doesn't give a flying fuck what either the U.S. RW or LW thinks.

JI7

(89,251 posts)
5. didn't he write some piece in the nytimes ? and he certain does care how the world
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 03:49 PM
Apr 2014

views him and he hates Obama.

blm

(113,064 posts)
11. He's far more vain and calculating than you recognize.
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 01:21 PM
Apr 2014

I don't believe in coincidences. If you do that is your right.

Behind the Aegis

(53,959 posts)
7. Some how I doubt Pooty gives a mink's furry ass what RWers in the US think.
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 03:56 PM
Apr 2014

He is very clear in his homophobia, despite his defender's claims.

blm

(113,064 posts)
9. He likes that the RWers help to undermine Obama's power with congress in Washington.
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 01:20 PM
Apr 2014

And he is way more vain about his influence over RW Americans than you think. His attacks on gays did NOT just 'happen' to coincide with increased media checking out preparations for Olympics.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
13. Oh he cares. What we think/would do was part of his Crimea calculus. He thought that
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 01:26 PM
Apr 2014

there would be some screaming for a few weeks but then things would go back to normal.

Now, whether OPs contention that his anti-gay policies took right wingers in the US into account, I am not sure about that. But Putin does think a lot about what the US thinks of him and Russian policies, just as we do the reverse with Russia, China, etc.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
17. He cares about the actions of the government, not the opinions of the public.
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 01:41 PM
Apr 2014

I say again, he doesn't care what anyone in the US thinks of him. (And he probably perceives Obama as being both weak and hamstrung by the Republicans in Congress.)

blm

(113,064 posts)
19. The GOP congress keeps undermining Obama to keep him weak mainly to impress the RW base.
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 03:14 PM
Apr 2014

It is all related, and Putin is not so stupid to NOT use it to his advantage. The RWingnuts reaction to all things Obama has been a political goldmine for Putin.

blm

(113,064 posts)
14. Except how the RWers here influence a GOP congress intent on keeping Obama's presidency as weak as
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 01:27 PM
Apr 2014

possible.

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
15. Repel and disgust Reagan?
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 01:28 PM
Apr 2014

Reagan and company chuckled at the specter of HIV when it first hit the US.

blm

(113,064 posts)
25. I get that - I was being narrow, specifically in regard to Putin's goal to reconstruct USSR
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 06:48 PM
Apr 2014

.

 

RandoLoodie

(133 posts)
16. I don't think he really cares
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 01:36 PM
Apr 2014

what America actually thinks.

A man who wrestles bears and eats shards of glass for breakfast (shirtless, naturally) probably wasn't put in this world to win popularity contests.

blm

(113,064 posts)
26. And Kerry killed a man with his bare hands in Vietnam to save his crew. Yeah, but Putin is so much
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 06:49 PM
Apr 2014

cooler when he takes his shirt off and makes the RWers swoon.

We get it.

Propaganda works.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
18. He understands European right-wing politics, too. "Europe's Right wants closer ties with Russia"
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 02:04 PM
Apr 2014
European Parliament elections are to be held at the end of May, and right-wing populist groups with parties in several states, are well positioned to profit in the coming ballot. They are being more and more open about their wish to act as an advocate for Moscow in Brussels, stresses the German newspaper. "I think we can be a good partner for Russia in the European Parliament," said Filip Dewinter, a senior member of the Flemish Vlaams Belang in Belgium. "And Russia sees us as a potential partner," he added.

And the Russian side has been no less supportive. "We hope that the results of the coming elections will give these people more power," said Sergey Markov, a conservative political scientist with close connections in the Kremlin. "We need to move forward to further develop this cooperation", he added, referring to the European right-wing parties.

A recently held conference in the European Parliament was the most serious attempt so far, by European right-wing parties to woo Russia. Called "EU-Russia: Deescalating the Crisis-Roadmap for Peace in Europe," the conference was organized by Fiorello Provera, senior member of Italy's right-wing Lega Nord and deputy chief of the European Parliament's Foreign Affairs Committee, together with David Lasar from Austria's Islamophobic Freedom Party.

According to Der Spiegel, many parallels could be drawn between the rhetoric of Russia's President Vladimir Putin and European right-wing parties. Skepticism in terms of immigration and constant concern about the threat posed by Islamist extremism make Putin a "natural ally for xenophobic right whose political bread and butter is their vociferous attacks on European immigration policy," Der Spiegel writes.

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/25089/53/

blm

(113,064 posts)
22. I'm pretty clear-headed when it comes to Reagan. My point was that he'd be rolling to think GOP base
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 05:19 PM
Apr 2014

was cheering Putin on while he reconstructs the USSR.

That is all. ; )

Bosonic

(3,746 posts)
24. Similar to Russian support for Euro RW/Eurosceptics
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 05:47 PM
Apr 2014

Which is an attempt to chip away at the EU powerblock.

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