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By Eugene Robinson
Its all over but the shouting: Obamacare is working.
All the naysaying in the world cant drown out mounting evidence that the Affordable Care Act, President Obamas signature domestic achievement, is a real success. Republican candidates running this fall on an anti-Obamacare platform will have to divert voters attention from the facts, which tell an increasingly positive story.
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All the apocalyptic end-of-freedom rhetoric that we continue to hear from the far right sounds increasingly ridiculous to moderate voters who have no strong party allegiance. But the GOPs activist base continues to respond with campaign donations and raring-to-go enthusiasm factors that can make the difference in a midterm election when moderate voters often stay home.
To do well in the fall, Democrats have to infuse their most loyal voters with similar enthusiasm. The success of Obamacare will help. Already, polls are showing upticks in support for embattled Democratic incumbent senators in Louisiana, Arkansas and Alaska. Democrats control their own destiny in November: If they can get their voters to the polls, theyll win.
In the long run, no matter what happens in the election, Im more convinced than ever that the Affordable Care Act will be seen as landmark legislation. With minimal immediate impact, the ACA does two tremendously important things...it shifts the incentive structure in the health-care industry in ways that promise to hold down rising costs. And second, it establishes the principle that health care should be considered a right, not a privilege.
Of course its not perfect. Its a thing of beauty anyway. We have liftoff. Its working.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/eugene-robinson-obamacares-victory-lap/2014/04/14/d3e802d4-c40e-11e3-b195-dd0c1174052c_story.html
CBO: Obamacare will have lower premiums, insure more, and cost government less than projected
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024820407
sheshe2
(83,786 posts)However there are those that refuse these benefits. Republican States refuse their constituents!
What the hell are they thinking! They lie and people die!
Damn them all to hell!
It is time to vote these bastards out. It is time for The People to have affordable healthcare. For once, just for once let them think of The people.
Death Panels Come To Life as Thousands Will Die In Obamacare Obstructing Red States
http://www.politicususa.com/2014/04/01/death-panels-life-thousands-die-obamacare-obstructing-red-states.html
REPORT: 27,000 Will Die Because Republican States Refuse To Expand Medicaid
The 25 GOP-led states that are refusing to expand Medicaid as part of the Affordable Care Act are not just turning down an estimated $42.6 billion in 2014 alone, theyre also missing a chance to save 27,000 lives according to a new study from the pro-expansion group Health Care for America Now (HCAN).
HCANs projection is based on a Harvard School of Public Health study published in 2012 in the New England Journal of Medicine that compared states that had expanded Medicaid to childless adults to those who hadnt:
The mortality rate in expansion states was 6.1 percent lower than in the neighboring expansion states. For every 500,000 adults gaining Medicaid benefits, 2,840 deaths would be prevented each year, the researchers found. Put another way, for every 176 people added to the Medicaid rolls, one life would be saved.
An estimated five million residents of states that havent expanded the program will find themselves in a coverage gap, where they will neither qualify for Medicaid nor be able to afford a policy in the insurance exchanges. Applying that 1-in-176 formula to five million uninsured, HCAN comes up with the 27,000 lives that may be lost.
http://www.nationalmemo.com/report-27000-will-die-because-republican-states-refuse-to-expand-medicaid/
Thanks ProSense, damn I am overwhelmed by these heartless bastards. I don't know what to say about them anymore. It's true I guess, they just want us to die.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)sheshe2
(83,786 posts)I hate what we are seeing in the red states...
They don't care, they just don't care.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Death Panels. What the GOP lied about in 2010 is coming 180 degrees back at them. But alas, corporate media will not report the facts on this. Social media and the old fashion way, word by mouth coupled with actual facts with real life witnesses.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)Why do you say one thing when the opposite is true.
I asked you in your other thread about Obama promising that rates would fall by $2500 for the typical family. He promised it repeatedly as did others. You didn't address that promise, or the conflict with the reality that rates are not falling but rising.
You link to your other thread promoting lower premiums under Obamacare, but the reality is that premiums are rising across the board, by large amounts in many instances. How do you reconcile that reality with your spin?
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"You say lower premiums, but premiums are rising, not falling. I asked you in your other thread about Obama promising that rates would fall by $2500 for the typical family. He promised it repeatedly as did others. You didn't address that promise, or the conflict with the reality that rates are not falling but rising.
You link to your other thread promoting lower premiums under Obamacare, but the reality is that premiums are rising across the board, by large amounts in many instances. How do you reconcile that reality with your spin?"
...title of the OP provide any clues: "New York exceeds Obamacare enrollment expectations by 60 percent, premiums halved"
I posted this in the other thread about the CBO report that shows premiums will be lower than expected (which evidently isn't good enough for you and the red herring question you're keep asking.)
Health care costs grow every year. When growth is at the slowest pace in 50 years. That's a significant savings.
Still, even with that fact, premiums are lower than the status quo.
Most families/people are saving a lot more than $2,500 a year (the average subsidy is about $4,000). Premiums were nearly $12,000 per year for an individual plan. Millions of people are paying less than $100 per month. Million are paying nothing.
STUDY: Average Obamacare Plans Are Cheaper Than Employer-Sponsored Ones
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024415004
http://money.cnn.com/2013/07/17/news/economy/obamacare-health-insurance-new-york/
In fact, Obamacare isn't just lowering premiums, it's boosting incomes.
Obamacare boosting household income and spending
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024606074
Go ahead and complain about the links.
Miguel Guate
(25 posts)You argue that there will be a dramatic decrease. CBO says there will be a small increase.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)Miguel Guate
(25 posts)It's easy.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)I thought they were still decreasing a bit.
Bryant
Miguel Guate
(25 posts)That premiums will increase modestly in 2015.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"One can support Obamacare while not falsely stating premiums are decreasing"
...also be obtuse, unwilling to acknowledge that premiums have gone down, and that subsidies are saving people thousands of dollars.
Welcome to DU.
Miguel Guate
(25 posts)Link please. Unless you are referring to cherry-picked stats about some people, instead of talking about the average for everyone's premiums.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Are you saying that the CBO said premiums have gone down relative to last year?"
...I saying that premiums are lower than they would be without Obamacare, and that people are saving thousands of dollars on average.
I know it really burns some people that the opposite of collapse and failure is happening, that the law is working, keeping premiums down and benefiting millions of people.
Does that upset you?
RandoLoodie
(133 posts)Is that a monthly or annual cost?
For what person/family/number of people?
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Is that a monthly or annual cost?
For what person/family/number of people?
...indicates "individual." The article states monthly.
The cost of a "silver" plan -- which covers at least 70% of medical costs, on average -- will drop to as little as $359 a month for a single adult Manhattan resident, for instance, according to a rate sheet released Wednesday by state officials. Currently, the cheapest plan a city resident can buy on the individual market is $1,001.
- more -
http://money.cnn.com/2013/07/17/news/economy/obamacare-health-insurance-new-york/
New York exceeds Obamacare enrollment expectations by 60 percent, premiums halved
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024822354
RandoLoodie
(133 posts)Is the price of the policy tied to geographic location in addition to your AGI?
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"What annual income gets you a $359 a month silver plan? Is the price of the policy tied to geographic location in addition to your AGI?"
...read the articles. Most of your questions are answered.
RandoLoodie
(133 posts)regarding the post you made.
Why won't you answer them?
They are simple questions.
I'm assuming since you took the time to post the articles, you must be able to shoot off some quick answers for those of us who are posting and working at the same time and don't have the time and leisure to read the article.
Please answer the questions.
**on edit: I scanned the article and it doesn't answer my specific questions. Do you have an answer or an opinion?
**edit 2: if you're going to data dump without backing it up with your opinion or analysis, you get very close to propagandizing rather than being an honest interlocutor.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)regarding the post you made.
Why won't you answer them?
They are simple questions.
I'm assuming since you took the time to post the articles, you must be able to shoot off some quick answers for those of us who are posting and working at the same time and don't have the time and leisure to read the article.
Please answer the questions.
..I forgot to say welcome to DU. Enjoy the articles. I'm not interested in what you're doing. You could have read the articles in the time it took to post three comments.
RandoLoodie
(133 posts)Data dumper.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Four comments. I also forgot to say, enjoy your stay. LOL!
RandoLoodie
(133 posts)why you will not or cannot answer the questions.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Still trying to figure out why you will not or cannot answer the questions."
...reading is fundamental. Enjoy.
RandoLoodie
(133 posts)Your silence speaks volumes.
It would be simple enough for you to answer very simple questions.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Your silence speaks volumes. "
Does it make you uncomfortable while you're a work?
RandoLoodie
(133 posts)no, it's just curious to me.
I just know now to treat your posts like advertising.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Transparent? No, not you.
RandoLoodie
(133 posts)RAH RAH RAH SIS BOOM BAH
GO TEAM!
ProSense
(116,464 posts)RandoLoodie
(133 posts)contribute something.
Anyone can read a newspaper.
I'll keep my eye on you.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)I see the problem, the Internet is not a "newspaper." Apparently, you're having trouble reading information at the sites.
"I'll keep my eye on you."
Seriously, enjoy your stay. LOL!
RandoLoodie
(133 posts)"Seriously, enjoy your stay."
That's the best you can come up with?
"Seriously, enjoy your stay."
Wow.
LOL.
**on edit - LOL.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)They are getting more services for less, and many have not been getting the level of care now afforded them, and getting more health issues taken care of and faster than before.
There is an increase of people going to the doctors, because they are able to afford it, and the volume is taking care of the providers as well. People are feeling more freedom to get care and improve their health which benefits all of us as they become more able to stay independent, take care of family members or work. More are healthy enough to do volunteer work that they were unable to do before.
The primary legacy of the ACA that strikes at the for profit model is that there are no denials for pre existing conditions. This is a game changer that is not being credited. People are now expecting more than they ever did, and getting it. This is going to become second nature now, the recognition that illness is not a moral defect or something to be punished by high rates. I think people should look at what they are being offered, and make use of it.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"They are paying more because they are signing up for better coverage than they had before. There is true competition now, and the ball is in the buyer's corner, not the seller with the sharecropper plans with all control in the hands of the powerful half of the contract, not the worker. "
Good point. Even in the small business market, there will be some decreases and increases, the latter specifically related to increase in coverage.
oasis
(49,389 posts)Brigid
(17,621 posts)It is *not* over but the shouting. Millions living in red states that refused to accept Medicaid expansion are still left out.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"It is *not* over but the shouting. Millions living in red states that refused to accept Medicaid expansion are still left out."
...a reference to the law working and the fact that it's here to stay. Republicans blocking access to millions is a measure of their evilness. The law works, and Republicans need to get out of the way and allow it to save lives.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)subject matter? You're not really commenting on what Mr. Robinson actually wrote.
Brigid
(17,621 posts)Don't expect those of us who have been left out to be silent. "We should do better, and perhaps someday we will?" Really?
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)Brigid
(17,621 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)pick up the shattered pieces and move on with my life, such as it is.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)Now it's ALL over.
Now that that's settled, how about a nice game of ping-pong?
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)But it's been silent of late. No apologies. No retractions. Just...silence.
I'm happy to read that ObamaCare is working as President Obama has always said it would. Now, of course, you're hearing the obligatory, "Weeeell, we really don't know if it's working yet. Only time will tell".
Some people really do enjoy being pessimists.