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babylonsister

(171,079 posts)
Sat Apr 12, 2014, 01:18 PM Apr 2014

Former Enhanced Interrogator is Haunted

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2014/4/12/13127/0630

Former Enhanced Interrogator is Haunted

by BooMan
Sat Apr 12th, 2014 at 01:01:27 PM EST


Eric Fair was an Arabic linguist in the U.S. Army from 1995 to 2000 and then, in 2004, he worked as a contract interrogator in Iraq. He remains haunted by what he did there.

In April 2004 I was stationed at a detention facility in Fallujah. Inside the detention facility was an office. Inside the office was a small chair made of plywood and two-by-fours. The chair was two feet tall. The rear legs were taller than the front legs. The seat and chair back leaned forward. Plastic zip ties were used to force a detainee into a crouched position from which he could not recover. It caused muscle failure of the quads, hamstrings and calves. It was torture.

The detainees in Fallujah were the hardest set of men I’ve ever come upon. Many killed with a sickening enthusiasm. They often butchered what remained of their victims. It is easy to argue that they deserved far worse than what we delivered.

Still, those tactics stained my soul in an irrevocable way, maybe justifiably so. But as members of our government and its agencies continue to defend our use of torture, and as the American people continue to ignore their obligation to uncover this sordid chapter, the stain isn’t mine alone.

Jose Rodriguez Jr., the former head of the CIA’s National Clandestine Service, insists that those who suggest we question more gently have never felt the burden of protecting innocent lives. I’ve felt that burden. And when the time came, I did not question gently.

I’m dealing with my own burdens now. My marriage is struggling. My effectiveness as a parent is deteriorating. My son is suffering. I am no longer the person I once was. I try to repent. I work to confess. I hope for atonement.

As a country, we need to know what happened. We need to confess. We need to be specific. We need to open the book.

Not much to add, other that I agree with everything that Mr. Fair had to say.
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Former Enhanced Interrogator is Haunted (Original Post) babylonsister Apr 2014 OP
We cant put this "behind us". "As a country, we need to know what happened. We need to confess. rhett o rick Apr 2014 #1
Chile and South Africa provide good examples RainDog Apr 2014 #4
How do we create an online archive that the PTB can't edit. I have seen it happen in rhett o rick Apr 2014 #7
anyone can create a site if you can pay to host it somewhere RainDog Apr 2014 #8
I am thinking you are missing my point. My fault. It's my opinion that whatever rhett o rick Apr 2014 #9
they can't shut down all the information out there RainDog Apr 2014 #10
I truly hope you are correct, but "they" have such resources that I think they can eventually mold rhett o rick Apr 2014 #14
K & R !!! WillyT Apr 2014 #2
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #3
And because of what Freddy N. said, it causes me some turmoil. If one believes Freddy then rhett o rick Apr 2014 #15
Strapping someone to an uncomfortable chair is torture? JJChambers Apr 2014 #5
Why don't you try it and get back to us. hobbit709 Apr 2014 #6
YES Boreal Apr 2014 #11
I'm just sayin' JJChambers Apr 2014 #12
those first two things Boreal Apr 2014 #13
But what is your point? There is always something worse. That doesnt diminish that it rhett o rick Apr 2014 #17
Torture is torture... Ohio Joe Apr 2014 #20
If you have something to say, please do so with more than a question. Your question rhett o rick Apr 2014 #16
May we send the war criminals to the Hague now? WhiteTara Apr 2014 #18
Better late than never, I guess Tom Ripley Apr 2014 #19
kick Liberal_in_LA Apr 2014 #21
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
1. We cant put this "behind us". "As a country, we need to know what happened. We need to confess.
Sat Apr 12, 2014, 02:12 PM
Apr 2014

We need to be specific. We need to open the book."

President Obama is a good man, I hope he understands that this must be recognized, discussed and dealt with. My fear is that he will pardon the key players as a means of putting this "behind us". I believe trying to suppress our collective guilt will bring about a national psychosis.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
4. Chile and South Africa provide good examples
Sat Apr 12, 2014, 03:56 PM
Apr 2014

Chile has created online archives to document the assassination of leftists by the Kissinger-supported Pinochet - who was considered the pet of Milton Friedman as an example of his economic ideas.

South Africa granted "amnesty" for crimes against humanity for those who participated in the Apartheid regime - killing citizens, etc. IN RETURN for their public testimony about their actions - which included naming those who gave them orders.

And, of course, Cheney was all-in for apartheid, while calling Mandela a terrorist.

We need the same thing here.

It's obvious the elite power structure will protect Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc. with crimes against humanity - so, instead, let us create a public, online accessible archive to document their crimes so that conservatives cannot engage in the "rehabilitation" of monsters who made the U.S. a criminal state.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
7. How do we create an online archive that the PTB can't edit. I have seen it happen in
Sat Apr 12, 2014, 07:53 PM
Apr 2014

Wikipedia. The rich have people whose business is to see that their employer's wiki is "clean". And they have more resources to "fix" entries than we do to try to keep them accurate. The wealthy control history.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
8. anyone can create a site if you can pay to host it somewhere
Sat Apr 12, 2014, 08:44 PM
Apr 2014

The National Security Archives, btw, is a great organization that has written books based on FOIA documents - which they also host online.

Paul Thompson, who used to be here, did a great site to keep track of news articles, etc. around 9.11. Someone published a book, later, based upon this work. I don't know if it's still in print.

Libraries have all sorts of archives - some materials are online, some have descriptions and you have to physically copy (or ask someone to do it for you, for a fee, at an archive - whether it's a presidential library or university one that houses the papers of particular people.

you can create annotated bibliographies that keep track of books according to the subject they address (the annotation part means, beyond listing a title, author, pub, isbn, etc. you also includes a couple of sentences of summary about the title.

Those other places did these things as govts. (SAf) or orgs that had govt. approval. (Chile, afaik).

But any information that is available to the public can be used for an archive, as long as it's attributed (source, whether it's a book or website, etc.)

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
9. I am thinking you are missing my point. My fault. It's my opinion that whatever
Sat Apr 12, 2014, 08:49 PM
Apr 2014

attempts the 99% make to preserve history as we see it, can be bought and changed by the 1%.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
10. they can't shut down all the information out there
Sat Apr 12, 2014, 08:56 PM
Apr 2014

the problem with our society so often is that the truth is only revealed after the principles involved are dead.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
14. I truly hope you are correct, but "they" have such resources that I think they can eventually mold
Sat Apr 12, 2014, 09:33 PM
Apr 2014

history to their benefit.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
3. Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster.
Sat Apr 12, 2014, 03:36 PM
Apr 2014
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you. Friedrich Nietzsche
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
15. And because of what Freddy N. said, it causes me some turmoil. If one believes Freddy then
Sat Apr 12, 2014, 09:37 PM
Apr 2014

what does one do? Mahatma Gandhi had an answer, I just dont know if I am strong enough.

 

Boreal

(725 posts)
11. YES
Sat Apr 12, 2014, 08:58 PM
Apr 2014
The chair was two feet tall. The rear legs were taller than the front legs. The seat and chair back leaned forward. Plastic zip ties were used to force a detainee into a crouched position from which he could not recover. It caused muscle failure of the quads, hamstrings and calves. It was torture.
 

JJChambers

(1,115 posts)
12. I'm just sayin'
Sat Apr 12, 2014, 09:01 PM
Apr 2014

If I had to pick between bamboo chutes under the finger nails, a car battery clamped to the testicles, or an uncomfortable chair, I would pick the chair. I'm not saying it's right. I'm just sayin'.

 

Boreal

(725 posts)
13. those first two things
Sat Apr 12, 2014, 09:24 PM
Apr 2014

you mentioned are well known torture "techniques". While I don't know, I'd bet the US was trying to skirt around what is understood to be torture and create new methods which might be *iffy* (in their minds, anyway).

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
17. But what is your point? There is always something worse. That doesnt diminish that it
Sat Apr 12, 2014, 09:40 PM
Apr 2014

still is torture.

Ohio Joe

(21,761 posts)
20. Torture is torture...
Sat Apr 12, 2014, 11:12 PM
Apr 2014

If it's the few seconds of bamboo... Or the few minutes of the car battery... Or the hours and hours in the chair... It is all torture.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
16. If you have something to say, please do so with more than a question. Your question
Sat Apr 12, 2014, 09:39 PM
Apr 2014

by itself is absurd.

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