Guns don't, knives don't--ANGER kills people!

[librechik]

all public school children children should be required to take anger management classes of an appropriate learning level every day they are in class. Just like reading and math. Private schools should be encouraged to do likewise.

Adult anger management groups should be free and open in every municipality, like firehouses.

Since we have to have guns, could we please have fewer messed up angry people around us?

[malaise]

1. But an angry man with a gun will kill way more

particularly if it has one of those magazines with lots of bullets

[librechik]

7. Of course, and I am for legislation advancing strong regulation of all that

if we can ever get it. Which I doubt.

I think we have to start earlier, and with a different approach, since we will be surrounded by guns (and knives) for all the foreseeable future.

[Autumn]

2. Very good point.

[Beaverhausen]

3. yes- 2 year olds need anger management

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014774264

[librechik]

8. we should try to get them as early as possible. Once a generation of parents have learned

they will pass it along to their kids.

[Go Vols]

28. My parents taught me how to act,

it was the schools job to provide "book learning".But it seems that over the last 30 years alot of parents are to busy/don't care, and pass little to their kids that is positive,and the schools don't do much better.

[librechik]

30. yeah, I know

I actually homeschooled my kids, so this is a fictional imaginary public school system that actually works, that in my fantasy would have some psychological therapy element, in the same we schools include Hygiene classes. For the public health.

Actually Cognitive Therapy for example, there's nothing personal about it. it's just a regimen you learn so your brain doesn't turn to shit.

But it would never happen anymore than we can afford to go around and seize people's weapons.

I'm just trying to have a discussion about another stupid strategy that apparently will never work. Cuz it's too painful if I don't at least try.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

4. Actually guns and knives do kill people.

At least at last check I thought they did.

[librechik]

10. duh--I was being somewhat facetious, obviously.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

5. No, guns kill people.

To be precise, they kill a bit over 30,000 Americans every year, or about one American in 10,000 every year.

[librechik]

12. uh huh, see post #7 n/t

[HERVEPA]

6. Bull. Anger plus availabily of guns kills.

Anger plus availability of knives kills far fewer.
Anger plus no weapon very seldom kills.
Why don't you just take your crap back to the gungeon.

[librechik]

16. obviously, availability of guns is horrific. But do you think we could lessen their impact a little

I f we educated our children how to respond to provocation on such a wide scale that virtually no one would even think to grab a gun in anger?

I don't think we can remove guns from the US.

But I think education about dealing with others could in time have a gigantic effect if we took it seriously.

[HERVEPA]

27. Who would be doing this education you propose?

The good parents already do it.
The bad parents won't.
The schools won't help much if the home contradicts the school by its behavior.

[librechik]

29. Truth is it will be difficult--I guess I'm talking about my fantasy that will never happen

like others have a fantasy that we could have sensible gun reform laws and that would help . And even others fantasy that if we have sensible gun reform laws that means that OBAMA and the UN ail come and get our guns, now that they know where they are.

No, it'll never happen because nobody gives a flying fuck about education in this country, and it shows.

I'm just saying, in a fantasy world where we had a decent public education system and effective mental health care, They might have an anger management element in the curriculum, and that would be a positive thing.

I think there would be fewer deaths from anger and conflict domestically.

[librechik]

17. BTW, I was respectful to you.

I would appreciate the same.

[chrisa]

9. Guns demonstrably do kill people - firearm accidents

There's no anger involved in those cases.

[librechik]

13. But we could seriously cut the number of gun deaths if we cut the number

of ANGRY assholes. With guns and knives, duh.

[chrisa]

23. I don't think that would help.

If you're concerned about gun deaths, why not have free gun safety programs and effective gun control?

Your premise that gun deaths are an issue with anger is flawed. That's only one part of the problem.

[librechik]

25. As have said many times in this thread, of course I am in favor of gun control

the more severe and restrictive the better. I even advocate for liability insurance for all gun owners.

But the other part, the education needs to be expanded to include how to handle your anger so that it doesn't wind up in a gunfight.

Of course there would be gun deaths from accidents and so on. But I believe far less. Maybe not. Maybe there is no hope.

But the two remedies you mentioned, realistically, we'll never get those nationwide.

[Lizzie Poppet]

34. Sure it's only part of the problem, but not a trivial part, I'd say.

No single factor dominates the causes of violent crime, no single solution will solve it.

[Boom Sound 416]

11. Pharmaceutical Companies will love that!

[librechik]

14. yes, and so will psychiatrists and counselors.

What's wrong with that again?

[LanternWaste]

19. So would parents, family and friends...

So would parents, family and friends of the troubled youth...

[Boom Sound 416]

21. Because

Child anger management issues are so easy to diagnose and treat.

NYC has 1000000 kids alone.

[librechik]

26. You don't need to even know what the child's issues are. Anger management education

is pretty standard for all humans. And we manage to pay for sports arenas for high school kids, perhaps a bit better money management is called for as well.

Either way--I'm not gonna get it. And we're gonna go on killing each other and wring our hands helplessly.

[Lizzie Poppet]

15. Good point...and there's so much to be angry about.

Living in a frantically-paced, inequitable, collapsing society drives folks around the bend. The need to address this with effective anger management education is enormous.

[bowens43]

18. guns do kill people, regularly and efficiently, despite the rantins of the gun fetishists.

[librechik]

20. yes of course, so let's try to think outside the box

we obviously can't stop guns from killing people.

Is there a way we can stop people from wanting to kill people quite so much?

Maybe if we taught our children how to deal better with anger and conflict, we could make a small dent in the number of deaths.

It would take a long time, but I believe that is an additional strategy we could advance, in addition to forwarding sane regulation efforts.

[Iggo]

22. I'm angry all day and no one ever dies from it.

[librechik]

24. There's nothing wrong with anger. As long as you know how to control it

instead of letting it fester and explode. We know how to teach people to control their anger. We just need to do it a lot more. IMO.

[Lizzie Poppet]

33. Likewise.

And I own several firearms, too.

Golly, I must be doing something wrong.

[GeorgeGist]

31. Anti-social behavior kills people.

Yet, the rich find it quite rewarding.

[librechik]

32. bingo--that is why Anger Management etc. will never be an element of our curriculum, like Hygiene

because the rich wish to normalize sociopathic behavior so that war they do seem okay, and the common folk are too beleaguered to stop them.