Zimmerman friend Joe "he said goon not coon" Oliver: ‘People proudly call themselves coonasses’

[Amerigo Vespucci]

Zimmerman friend: ‘People proudly call themselves coonasses’

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/03/27/zimmerman-friend-people-proudly-call-themselves-coonasses/



A friend of a Florida neighborhood watch leader who gunned down an unarmed teen last month says that people shouldn’t judge his pal for using a racial epithet because in some parts of the U.S., “people proudly call themselves coonasses.”

After reviewing a 911 call George Zimmerman made before killing Trayvon Martin, many believe they hear the shooter calling the 17-year-old a “fucking coon.”

On Monday, MSNBC host Chris Matthews asked longtime Zimmerman friend Joe Oliver if he was surprised that he would have used this kind of language.

“To me, it’s a matter of interpretation of whether he saying ‘coon’ or ‘goon,’” Oliver replied. “There are a lot of parts of this country where people proudly call themselves coonasses. In Louisiana, in particular.”

[CBGLuthier]

1. This isn't about what people call themselves. It is about what people call each other.

It really doesn't even matter if the word IS goon or punk. Zimmerman is someone who makes value judgements about people he doesn't even fucking know based upon their appearance.

[Warpy]

5. Hammer, meet nail

Once he exited his vehicle, Zimmerman became one more racist punk with a gun who was spoiling for a fight with someone he considered a racial and social inferior.

Whatever happens to him, he should never be allowed near a firearm for the rest of his rotten life.

[Taverner]

13. Actually, it's about what people do to each other.

As in, kill them

[Ikonoklast]

2. He thinks he's helping.

What a good friend.

Hope I never have one like that.

[FarPoint]

3. He's not actually a friend of Zimmerman....

He is a flunky CNN weekend reporter from the late 90's. My guess is he is being paid off to spew the misinformation and create resonable doubt and sympathy for the murderer; Zimmerman.

Here is another thread...read thu it for yoursef....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002475516

[MADem]

6. I thought he was Zimmerman's wife's mother's friend's friend...or something like that.

Six degrees of separation.

I don't know anyone who uses "goon" as a term of endearment or as any term these days --wasn't there, years ago, a movie called The Goonies? And "goon" was a synonym for "thug" in pre-WW2 gangster films...but I haven't seen anyone use it who is under, say, eighty, in that context.

And I don't know anyone who calls themselves, proudly or otherwise "coon asses." That guy needs to get a grip on himself.

[Ghost in the Machine]

25. "but I haven't seen anyone use it who is under, say, eighty, in that context"

Really? I use it quite often to refer to the flunkies and wannabe's of some of the socalled "gangs" around here... as in "don't send your punkass little goon squad to handle your business, grow some balls and come to me face to face like a man".

I also have several friends in Louisiana who proudly call themselves "coonasses"...

Just sayin'...

Peace,
Ghost

[MADem]

29. Well, I haven't heard any of those terms in that way.

I can't imagine anyone proudly calling themselves coonasses, either.

In any event, goon or coon was not a term of endearment--and that's what this nitwit tried to insist it was.

Yeah, like Zimmerman is hunting this kid like Big Game, and saying "Come hither, my sweet little coon/goon" is a likely scenario.

Whatever he said to the dispatcher about the kid, is wasn't meant as praiseworthy or positive. He was insulting the kid.

[Saphire]

59. I am a proud coonass, and we would never

say "coon". That IS a racial term.

[EOTE]

32. He's right in one regard.

In Louisiana (pretty much exclusively), you'll find a number of people refer to themselves as "coon asses", always seemed offensive to me and I don't really know the origin of the term. However, Florida is NOT Louisiana and there's no way in hell that Zimmerman was using "coon" as anything other than a smear on someone he didn't even know. These assholes are stretching badly.

[GreydeeThos]

42. Trudy Lyrics

Artist: The Charlie Daniels Band
Song: Trudy

...

Then I took off a running like a motorcycle
Heard the bullets whining and sirens wail
But it took half the cops in Dallas County
Just to put one coon-ass boy in jail

So call up Trudy on the telephone
Send her a letter in the mail
Tell her I'm hung up in Dallas
And they won't let me outta this jail

...

[MADem]

46. And I'm sure that was Zimmerman's context....NOT. nt

[Blue_Tires]

21. But he is media savvy and can play the useful role of the "black friend"

I'm pretty sure Taafe's hysterical race-baiting interviews only put fuel on the fire, and didn't go over well with Zimmerman's defense team

[Enrique]

7. lol

i'm picturing Zimmerman in his motel room watching his friend on TV and saying to himself, "coonasses, wtf is he talking about?"

[Cali_Democrat]

8. LOL

[Mumble]

4. People have called me an @sshole

I haven't started a fight with any of them and shot and killed anyone. Zimmerman has the law behind him and he will get off scott free. The only thing that matters here is identifying the one who first STARTED the fight. That is the guilty party. Name calling is not the issue. If you are stupid enough to start a fight with someone who has a gun you pay the consequences.

[CatWoman]

11. please stop mumbling and speak up

it's hard to make out what you're saying

[Mumble]

18. I talk softly..

..and carry a big stick or gun. And always stand my ground.

[SpencerShay]

24. So, "stand your ground."

Trayvon Martin had the right to stand his ground, too. And, people have their right to stand their ground against you, too.

[CatWoman]

28. and I can certainly understand people calling you an asshole

I can stand my ground, too.

[arthritisR_US]

26. I'm going to have my ears checked out Cat,

I couldn't hear a damn thing that guy was saying

[SpencerShay]

22. What?

"Name calling is not the issue. If you are stupid enough to start a fight with someone who has a gun you pay the consequences."

How stupid.


George Zimmerman started the fight. It's George Zimmerman's fault, for being STUPID enough to judge somebody because of their appearence, following them, after being told not to, and then shooting an unarmed person to death, and then whining about the blowback, later. And, even if Trayvon Martin did start the fight (which I doubt), that was no reason to shoot him in the chest.

[arcane1]

31. "he's running"... "are you following him?"..."we don't need you to do that"

the 911 tapes make it clear that Zimmerman left his car to go after Martin as he was running away.

Martin was 1,00000% in his rights to defend himself against that.


Nice try though

[noiretextatique]

33. you cannot profile, stalk and confront someone, and then claim self-defense

it defies logical. by definition, zimmerman was the aggressor, and it does not matter who threw the first punch.

[Mumble]

38. Let's just hang Zimmerman tomorrow.

We don't need to have a trial and learn all the facts. Many of the self professed experts in law who have responded to my post are absolutely sure Zimmerman is guilty. The biggest issue here is that stupid stand your ground law and all it's loopholes. I don't know what happened until all the facts are in and then we may never know for sure the sequence of events.

[noiretextatique]

40. we will never know "the facts"

because the other person who knew exactly what happened is dead. i never said anything about lynching him, and yeah...a fng trial would be great. he needs to be arrested before there can be a trial.

[noiretextatique]

50. you are a liar...show me one gansta picture

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a boy is DEAD, you heartless motherfucker. if his parents sue the coward who killed him, and the city...more power to them. how dare you suggest they are out for money and not for justice for their son, you twisted, racist asshole. the murderer is still free, of course they are outraged, in addition to being broken-hearted.

[CatWoman]

53. Wish I could rec your post

he/she/it is a real pos, er, piece of work.

[noiretextatique]

54. POS is accurate

and a racist asshole. these people are truly SICK. i always said: racism makes you crazy, and boy are they ever proving me right.

[spanone]

51. whatever.

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[noiretextatique]

52. i hope others alerted

on this idiot.

[CatWoman]

55. I did

[Blue_Tires]

57. So Trayvon's mother is just in this for a big payday? That's the meme you're told to spread?

Trayvon had it coming to him??

jesus...fucking...christ...

you all are are beyond the pale...

[Blue_Tires]

56. so racial profiling has nothing to do with this?

uh, there is a law against what Zimmerman was doing...(stalking, harassment, intimidation)

[Life Long Dem]

9. Whats the scoop on this guy?

Is he going for a commentator position on some news show or what?

[guitar man]

10. What a dumbass

"Coon" and "coon ass" are two TOTALLY different things. One is a racial epithet, the other is a term that people of all colors from Louisiana use to describe themselves. It's like "Okies" or "Hoosiers" etc. etc.

This guy is a real dipshit

[Blue_Tires]

12. Of course, no one related to the case is from Louisiana, so what's the point?

[Aerows]

17. Exactly

Being from New Orleans, I know exactly the difference between someone calling themselves a coon ass and calling someone a coon, and one is a cajun, and the other is a pejorative for a black person.

He's not fooling anyone.

For those who say that term is not in use, it is incorrect. That term has never gone out of vernacular in the South.

[Cali_Democrat]

14. So he's backtracking and saying Zimmerman might have in fact said "coon"

Hate crime....murder.

[Warren DeMontague]

15. Nah. He was mad that NASA bombed the moon.

Moon! I clearly heard him say "Moon"!

[abelenkpe]

16. LOL

Yeah right. I listen to audio recordings everyday analyzing them frame by frame for lip sync. Personally think it was pretty clear. Zimmerman said Coon. His apologist friend is just making a sad pathetic fool of himself.

[pacalo]

20. Those two terms have different, distinct meanings. Where I live, a "coon@ss" is a slur

that refers to born & raised Cajuns. They speak with a heavy "Cajun French" accent handed down from one generation to the next. Perhaps Florida has its own meaning of the word?

Aside from that, Joe Oliver is full of baloney. If Zimmerman was angry enough to continue following Trayvon despite the 911 dispatcher's advice not to, then it's highly unlikely that he was muttering a term of endearment while he was huffing & puffing to catch up with Trayvon.

[Aerows]

23. Coonass is a cajun.

Period.

"Coon" is either a raccoon, or a pejorative for a black person in the South. End of discussion. I've lived in the South all of my life, and I lived in Florida. This explanation is so ridiculous on its face, I'm surprised anyone could offer it without falling out of their chair with laughter at spinning such a web of bullshit.

This episode is bad enough without people testing our intelligence with such nonsense.

[pacalo]

30. That's what I thought, so thanks for confirming it, Aerows.

For the life of me, I don't understand how people could have the gall to lie so blatantly to a nationwide tv audience. What a fool.


Thanks, Aerows.

[Aerows]

35. I don't either

How they could lie with a straight face is beyond me. I couldn't stomach cooking up such a crock and delivering it.

It makes me ill, and frankly, insulted that they think anyone with a brain would believe such a pile of horse manure.

[arcane1]

27. Zimmerman "friend aka hired talking head" Joe Oliver

How stupid does someone have to be in order to believe this idiot? What he says makes no sense! Was Zimmerman calling himself a "fucking goon" just before chasing Martin down? That's what we are supposed to believe???

[LiberalFighter]

49. There are people willing to sell their soul to the devil.

This guy is one of them. Like a Clarence Thomas.

[gratuitous]

34. "They're not booing you, sir"

They're saying "Booo-urns! Boooo-urns!"

In any event, you don't call someone else names unless you know them, and depending on the name, you have to know them very, VERY well. I can't imagine calling any of my black acquaintances a "coon" under any circumstances unless I was shopping around for a beatdown. Joe Oliver should probably keep silence and be thought a fool, because the more he talks, the less dispute there is on the subject.

[WillyT]

36. Amerigo !!! - Did You See These ???

Link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002475516

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[WillyT]

41. Here's One More !!!

Link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002480333

[Amerigo Vespucci]

43. Holy FUCK! I remember this guy CLEARLY!

I remember the name "Joe Oliver," too...I just wasn't making the connection. Thanks for posting!

:kick:

[WillyT]

45. Anytime !!!

[noiretextatique]

37. he deserves a worst person nomination

it was goon, which was a tear of endearment that racists often use when stalking young black men

[HooptieWagon]

39. Oliver is a real tool.

The more he spins, the less credible he sounds. Coonass is a cajun, Ive not heard that term used oitside of the upper Gilf Coast. Coon is used all ovdr the south, being either a short form of raccoon, or a perjurative for a black... although its use as a perjurative is a lttle archaic. Goon is used in the old gangster movies, also as reference to a desigmated fighter on a hocky team. Dont think either are used much any more. Oli ers spin is laughable.

[Cirque du So-What]

48. It is an archaic racial epithet

and he's too young to have heard from his peers. More likely, he's learned it from older racists - perhaps someone in his own family.

[Thrill]

44. This guy is a complete dumbass

No more needs to be said

[provis99]

58. ONLY in Louisiana are people called coonasses.

calling people coonasses in florida is as stupid as calling them Hoosiers.