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kpete

(71,997 posts)
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 05:43 PM Apr 2014

PAUL RYAN LETS THE CAT OUT OF THE BAG - By Charles P. Pierce

Finally ... finally someone speaking on behalf of the beleaguered insurance industry.



PAUL RYAN LETS THE CAT OUT OF THE BAG
By Charles P. Pierce on April 4, 2014


Paul Ryan, the zombie-eyed granny starver from Wisconsin and First Runner-Up in our most recent Vice Presidential Pageant, apparently will set the kitty free from the burlap during an upcoming interview with Al Hunt on the Bloomberg teevee channel.

The former GOP vice presidential nominee was asked on Bloomberg's "Political Capital with Al Hunt" about whether Republicans would keep provisions like requiring coverage for pre-existing conditions, keeping kids on their parents' insurance until they are 26 years old and barring insurance companies from having different rates for those whose jobs include physical labor. The first two provisions are among the most popular parts of Obamacare, which as a whole is not popular. But Ryan says such provisions would also drive up the cost of insurance too much. "If you look at these kinds of reforms, where they've been tried before - say the state of Kentucky, for example - you basically make it impossible to underwrite insurance," Ryan said, according to an advance transcript. "You dramatically crank up the cost. And you make it hard for people to get affordable health care."


He really doesn't know what he's talking about. He hasn't had to live in the real world away from the government trough for 10 minutes since he entered high school. Biggest fake in American politics.

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/paul-ryan-obamacare-repeal-040414


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updated to add this graph:

http://www.offthechartsblog.org/ryan-budget-gets-69-percent-of-its-cuts-from-low-income-programs/
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PAUL RYAN LETS THE CAT OUT OF THE BAG - By Charles P. Pierce (Original Post) kpete Apr 2014 OP
Democrats must run with this. Dawson Leery Apr 2014 #1
The DNC needs to do some soul-searching and decided that they're really against this FiveGoodMen Apr 2014 #2
Lyin' Ryan wants to eliminate the most popular provisions of the act. Dawson Leery Apr 2014 #3
Just to be clear, by 'against this' I meant against Ryan's bullshit FiveGoodMen Apr 2014 #7
Please, that's Lyin' "ayn" ryan!! Bortman33 Apr 2014 #15
Hillary Clinton would respectfully disagree with you tularetom Apr 2014 #17
Yeah, I know. FiveGoodMen Apr 2014 #20
Well said, and not an exaggeration. Raksha Apr 2014 #29
This Paul Ryan? Run this ad again malaise Apr 2014 #4
But, but, but, whine whine whine... Obama is in bed with the Insurance co.. whine whine Cha Apr 2014 #5
This post is about Paul Ryan HangOnKids Apr 2014 #10
I know right. bravenak Apr 2014 #30
It's been done ad nauseum since 2010.. that's why I Cha Apr 2014 #32
It's the way some people cope with not getting everything they want out of life. bravenak Apr 2014 #33
Too True Cha Apr 2014 #34
He stinks coljam Apr 2014 #6
and his neck is brown... RoccoR5955 Apr 2014 #12
DC politicos should take the silver spoons out of their mouths before talking. (D) and (R) alike! blkmusclmachine Apr 2014 #8
"...you basically make it impossible to underwrite insurance..." Snarkoleptic Apr 2014 #9
Excellent responses!! lastlib Apr 2014 #26
So . . . People purchasing insurance makes it expensive? quaker bill Apr 2014 #11
No people using their insurance makes it expensive (I.E. reduces profits) Johonny Apr 2014 #14
of course it could be made really cheap quaker bill Apr 2014 #24
When you must have sacrifical goats (poor/low-income) to keep a system going-you are a failure Stargazer99 Apr 2014 #13
Lyin' Ryan has no idea what he's talking about!! He makes me want to believe in hell... hue Apr 2014 #16
So that somewhere in it there is a small circle with his name on it??? quaker bill Apr 2014 #25
(yeah--with a VERY. HOT. FIRE.!) lastlib Apr 2014 #27
I wonder...how much money Ryan is getting from the nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #18
here ya go..... antigop Apr 2014 #19
Thanks. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #28
Pathetic Paul is the "best and brightest" Republican. JEFF9K Apr 2014 #21
Great post. chieftain Apr 2014 #22
He can no longer receive communion! chuckstevens Apr 2014 #23
I think the Pope should excommunicate him... tokenlib Apr 2014 #31
+1 n/t Beartracks Apr 2014 #36
That graph: OBVIOUSLY if poor people have a problem getting axed by Ryan's budget... Beartracks Apr 2014 #35
Deserves a rec for the "zombie-eyed granny starver" line alone. SunSeeker Apr 2014 #37

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
2. The DNC needs to do some soul-searching and decided that they're really against this
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 05:54 PM
Apr 2014

At this point in America's history, bipartisanship is treason.

Raksha

(7,167 posts)
29. Well said, and not an exaggeration.
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 09:22 PM
Apr 2014

"At this point in America's history, bipartisanship is treason."

Cha

(297,323 posts)
5. But, but, but, whine whine whine... Obama is in bed with the Insurance co.. whine whine
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 05:59 PM
Apr 2014

fucking ignorant whine.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
33. It's the way some people cope with not getting everything they want out of life.
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 04:07 AM
Apr 2014

Blaming a good, kind man.
Hey, Cha!

 

coljam

(188 posts)
6. He stinks
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 06:05 PM
Apr 2014

This guy is so full of shit his eyes are brown Come on Wisc.flush the toilet on this guy.

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
8. DC politicos should take the silver spoons out of their mouths before talking. (D) and (R) alike!
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 06:16 PM
Apr 2014
The Senator from Exxon/Mobil Oil Co. ~>

Snarkoleptic

(5,997 posts)
9. "...you basically make it impossible to underwrite insurance..."
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 06:46 PM
Apr 2014

Ryan is blind to the reality that this is a great idea!
No more underwriting for the purpose of slicing and dicing the risk pool in order to select only those who are likely to be profitable.

The big question to ask Ryan and the rest of this crowd is "What value do for-profit health insurance companies add to our healthcare delivery system?"
>>Mr Ryan, I'll give you a hint...the answer is "NONE"! The thought of a company making a profit getting between you and your healthcare is repugnant.

When I ask my conservative friends and coworkers "What value do for-profit health insurance companies add to our healthcare delivery system?", many will concede that it's a bizarre and twisted perversion, but some will fire back something like "Health insurers do a great job of using the free market to spread the risk".

My retort is typically-
1) Medicare has a 3% expense ratio whereas for-profits are (post-Obamacare) at 15 or 20%, depending on the size of their risk pool.
2) A for-profit corporation slicing and dicing the risk pool is a perverse and inhumane practice that stands in the way of a pursuit of life, liberty and happiness.



lastlib

(23,251 posts)
26. Excellent responses!!
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 09:01 PM
Apr 2014

They go to the heart of our health-care crisis!

When right-wingers tell me that crap about "we have the best health-care system in the world," I reply, "Yes--for the insurance companies!" For everyone else in the chain, it sucks--when they complain about rationing health-care, I tell them that NOBODY does it more or better than the fucking insurance companies. Then I tell them about my sister, who suffering from terminal cancer, was dumped by her health insurance company because she had used up her lifetime allotment of treatment. (And of course, no other insurers would cover her because of a pre-existing condition, and besides terminal cancer is a bad risk.) She died in the process of declaring bankruptcy so she could get Medicaid.

Lousy rat bastards. The insurance companies, AND the politicians (Ryan, for one) they own, and who prostitute for them.

Johonny

(20,854 posts)
14. No people using their insurance makes it expensive (I.E. reduces profits)
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 07:26 PM
Apr 2014

hence they need stop giving 26 year olds coverage on their parents plan and eliminate pre-existing conditions. The only people that can have insurance are healthy people or else it makes the cost to the insurance company unmanageable. Unmanageable means their profits go slightly down.

Of course even this can be complete bullshit depending on the coverage pool. More healthy people with insurance raises profits and might not effect pay outs. Republicans aren't good at business the media just pretends they are.

quaker bill

(8,224 posts)
24. of course it could be made really cheap
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 08:59 PM
Apr 2014

by having it not cover anything. Think how affordable it could be.

Stargazer99

(2,585 posts)
13. When you must have sacrifical goats (poor/low-income) to keep a system going-you are a failure
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 07:20 PM
Apr 2014

The least powerful must suffer so the powerful/wealthy/well-to-do have medical coverage-that is evil

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
18. I wonder...how much money Ryan is getting from the
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 07:55 PM
Apr 2014

Insurance Corporations? (Something to entertain myself with later on)

chieftain

(3,222 posts)
22. Great post.
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 08:37 PM
Apr 2014

I love Charles Pierce and I especially loved this quote:
"He really doesn't know what he's talking about... Biggest fake in American politics."

Only in a country where the news media is as complicit/ignorant/lazy as in the US could this pompous, self-identified intellectual be taken seriously.

 

chuckstevens

(1,201 posts)
23. He can no longer receive communion!
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 08:38 PM
Apr 2014

Hey, if the Cardinals went this route with John Kerry in 2004 over the abortion issue, maybe Pope Francis should state that Paul Ryan is just as immoral.



Beartracks

(12,816 posts)
35. That graph: OBVIOUSLY if poor people have a problem getting axed by Ryan's budget...
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 03:29 PM
Apr 2014

... then they should stop being poor. Duh.







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SunSeeker

(51,574 posts)
37. Deserves a rec for the "zombie-eyed granny starver" line alone.
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 05:11 PM
Apr 2014

Pierce hits it out of the park, again.

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