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If Zimmerman walks, would blacks in FL be justified in considering themselves threatened by his mere (Original Post) Skraxx Mar 2012 OP
Yes. After all, they're just standing their ground. muntrv Mar 2012 #1
Nothing less than life without parole will be acceptable BanTheGOP Mar 2012 #22
So what you are saying is that we should replace our system of justice ... spin Mar 2012 #30
I guess you work in Orlando? MrBig Mar 2012 #36
Yes. That's why he's been hiding. Lil Missy Mar 2012 #2
If I was Trayvon's parent guitar man Mar 2012 #3
Personally, I would think so. PDJane Mar 2012 #4
I don't know, but I wonder ... tledford Mar 2012 #5
Zimmerman is Hispanic. dkf Mar 2012 #6
Zimmerman is a white hispanic n/t Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 #8
Bet he never claimed it before this incident. nt nanabugg Mar 2012 #33
After this incident, I wouldn't blame black Floridians for arming themselves mainer Mar 2012 #9
That's a very foolish statement. n/t greytdemocrat Mar 2012 #24
How so? He has proven one should indeed have a reasonable fear for ones life. /nt Dragonfli Mar 2012 #27
Would that include the white and hispanic citizens who arm themselves in fear of razorman Apr 2012 #37
It appears to me the one's clinging to their guns and SYG laws are the ones to fear Dragonfli Apr 2012 #38
So what if they did??? greytdemocrat Mar 2012 #23
I think people who believe carrying firearms around in public is their fundamental right libertypirate Mar 2012 #28
I can't help but think such people are slaves to either fear or hatred, why else Dragonfli Mar 2012 #31
I don't personally know any black people who are that cowardly slackmaster Mar 2012 #7
Thats ok, I know lots of gun nuts that are Skraxx Mar 2012 #12
You don't actually believe getting a gun for self-defense is cowardly. 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #34
No, I don't slackmaster Mar 2012 #35
So he's already guilty no matter what happens? nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #10
Is that what I said? Skraxx Mar 2012 #11
You seem to say that walking is a bad thing before we have a thorough investigation. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #13
May I suggest you reread it, because you obviously did a poor job comprehending on yr first attempt Skraxx Mar 2012 #14
Right back at ya. Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #15
Please point to the declarative statement in my OP Skraxx Mar 2012 #16
Please point out where I have made a declarative statement. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #18
You declared that I seem to say something I never came close to saying Skraxx Mar 2012 #19
I thought the use of seem was pretty non-declarative. Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #20
You thought wrong Skraxx Mar 2012 #21
Then I apologize. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #29
Not just young Black men - everyone. REP Mar 2012 #17
No. But They Should Deserve That ProfessorGAC Mar 2012 #25
Indeed Skraxx Mar 2012 #32
He has proven they would have a reasonable fear for their lives allowing self defensive murder. Dragonfli Mar 2012 #26
 

BanTheGOP

(1,068 posts)
22. Nothing less than life without parole will be acceptable
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 08:32 PM
Mar 2012

And though I don't agree with the death penalty, if ANY case would qualify, this would be the one. Besides, the NBP has a Dead or Alive bounty on him.

spin

(17,493 posts)
30. So what you are saying is that we should replace our system of justice ...
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 09:47 PM
Mar 2012

with trail by the media.

That would save a lot of money but the results might be unsatisfactory.

I have serious questions about Zimmerman's actions but I believe he deserves a fair investigation of the incident and possibly his chance to face a jury. My main question is why did Zimmerman ignore the instructions of the dispatcher and choose to confront Martin. I feel that he probably lost the right to claim self defense at that point as from what I have read, he initiated the confrontation. In fact, Martin might have been able to claim self defense if he would have killed Zimmerman and survived. If I would have been followed by a stranger who was not a cop as I was walking and he left his vehicle and confronted me in an aggressive manner and possibly flashed or drew a handgun, I would have damn good reason to fear for my life.

However, I would like to hear Zimmerman's side of the story and have a chance to review all the evidence before making a decision on his guilt or innocence.

I seriously hope that you don't agree with the bounty placed on Zimmerman. If some member of the black community succeeds in killing Zimmerman before or even after the investigation is complete, what would happen to the level of racial tensions in our nation? In recent years we have made some progress on this front and Zimmerman's murder might cancel out all the good that has been accomplished.





MrBig

(640 posts)
36. I guess you work in Orlando?
Tue Mar 27, 2012, 12:29 AM
Mar 2012

You must be privy to all the facts of the case to make such bold conclusions in knowing what punishment must be handed out.

Also, the "I don't support the death penalty but..." line really doesn't hold water. You realize that a lot of cold blooded murders have even worse facts than this case, right?

People need to stop pretending these kind of events don't happen on a regular basis. Unfortunately, this is not an uncommon scenario - only unique in who is involved.

tledford

(917 posts)
5. I don't know, but I wonder ...
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 07:54 PM
Mar 2012

... what the reaction of the white community in FL would be if every eligible black Floridian applied for a concealed carry permit?


mainer

(12,022 posts)
9. After this incident, I wouldn't blame black Floridians for arming themselves
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 08:02 PM
Mar 2012

because every neighborhood watch guy is now a threat to them.

razorman

(1,644 posts)
37. Would that include the white and hispanic citizens who arm themselves in fear of
Mon Apr 23, 2012, 09:26 PM
Apr 2012

the angry and fearful African-Americans?

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
38. It appears to me the one's clinging to their guns and SYG laws are the ones to fear
Mon Apr 23, 2012, 09:46 PM
Apr 2012

Not those that are the target of it, nice straw contraption tho, impressive even.

greytdemocrat

(3,299 posts)
23. So what if they did???
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 08:50 PM
Mar 2012

I have a CCW and I personally think anyone who wants one, and meets the requirements, should get one.

libertypirate

(2,677 posts)
28. I think people who believe carrying firearms around in public is their fundamental right
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 09:23 PM
Mar 2012

deserve to shoot themselves in the foot before they hurt innocent people.



Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
31. I can't help but think such people are slaves to either fear or hatred, why else
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 09:52 PM
Mar 2012

would it be so important to own and keep with you a tool designed specifically to kill other people?

Too afraid to face other people without the means to kill them. Or.
So much in hate of other people, won't face them without the ability to kill or maim them.

Is our society insane, or merely some in it that need so badly to have the means to kill or maim others within easy reach at all times?

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
35. No, I don't
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 11:22 PM
Mar 2012

But I know that it carries moral and legal responsibilities, and that using one even for justifiable reasons can put a person at great risk.

I don't carry one, BTW.

Skraxx

(2,977 posts)
19. You declared that I seem to say something I never came close to saying
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 08:26 PM
Mar 2012

Or do you not recall declaring "You seem to say....".

Or did you mean to phrase that as a question?

 

Snake Alchemist

(3,318 posts)
20. I thought the use of seem was pretty non-declarative.
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 08:30 PM
Mar 2012

"The magician seems to pass through walls" does not indicate that he does so.

ProfessorGAC

(65,060 posts)
25. No. But They Should Deserve That
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 08:53 PM
Mar 2012

If the justice system lets him float, we have to accept it. But, that doesn't mean he shouldn't be a pariah and he shouldn't have to look over his shoulder every day.

That's karma.
GAC

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
26. He has proven they would have a reasonable fear for their lives allowing self defensive murder.
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 09:08 PM
Mar 2012

Good for the goose and all.

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