Ukraine leader Turchynov warns of far-right threat

[newthinking]

Now that Right Sector is threatening their previous allies they are sending out a warning. That in itself, that it wasn't a serious concern as long as only Ethnic Russians were to get hurt; further proof of the truth of this overthrow, it was indeed heavily owned by nationalists that do not really care that they disinfranchise much of the country.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26784236


If folks don't get it yet...
The neo-cons are back (yes really, THEM!)and like with Iraq they are feeding us disinformation.
This was classic neo-con including PNAC members... They are back in in force and still in places of power.

Neocons and the Ukraine Coup
http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/22090-neocons-and-the-ukraine-coup

How Cold War-Hungry Neocons Stage Managed RT Anchor Liz Wahl’s Resignation
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/how_cold_war-hungry_neocons_stage_managed_liz_wahls_resignation_20140319

The new Ukrainian government is right wing which was one reason they were willing to ally to neo-nazi's (until they were themselves threatened):

Vitali Klitschko was the only truly moderate leader, and he was shunned and not allowed a post in the government.

Ukraine Transition Government: Neo-Nazis in Control of Armed Forces, National Security, Economy, Justice and Education
http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraine-transition-government-neo-nazis-in-control-of-armed-forces-national-security-economy-justice-and-education/5371539

As Far-Right Groups Infiltrate Kiev’s Institutions, the Student Movement Pushes Back
http://www.thenation.com/article/178662/far-right-groups-infiltrate-kievs-institutions-student-movement-pushes-back

Must be an eye opener for all those people who belittled ethnic Russian "concerns" . As it turned out indeed there was a serious threat.

Here is a nice little video of adorable young neo-nazi's shouting "hang all Russians" (and they don't mean just the ones in the country called Russia) and using ethnic slurs. The speaker tells them basically that they will be considered "Russians" if they don't jump (and probably beaten).

I hope that the scales are falling off folk's eyes.

[RandySF]

1. They ARE a right wing threat.

[Igel]

2. You're misgeneralizing.

There were a lot more in the "movement" than just extreme RWers. They were simply the violent ones that got the attention of the media in the West. Not a majority.

And among the supporters of the Euromaidan and Automaidan not even a large minority.

Some DUers have allies in their claims though--the extreme RWers in Ukraine. They want to see themselves as owning the revolution. Just like Tamarrud in Egypt, if they own it they can continue to agitate, to continue to push the conversation. Just like Tamarrud in Egypt, they lost the podium when they won. They were useful in a consortium, in a collective. That moment is gone. What united all the groups has vanished.

A greater force for unity is Crimea. What happened there, what's allegedly just across the borders near Chernyhivska oblast' an Luhansk unites a lot of people. The extreme RW doesn't seem to be overly concerned about this as they agitate. The interim government seems to have more support now than it did.

You have to look not at language but also at ethnicity. Many ethnic Ukrainians are L1 speakers of Russian. In some cases that makes them pro-Russian, when they side with language; in other cases, they're pro-Ukrainian, when they side with heritage.

What's left is the fringes. The nationalists that really can't bear to be around lesser folk. Every society has them--they'd rather fight than live in peace with those that they view as race enemies or ideological foes, even if it means making up crap and living in a kind of alternate reality. So the extreme RW Ukrainians (who are often anti-capitalist nationalist "popular socialists" in a way that is pretty much pre-Nazi) are fairly marginalized in most of Ukraine. The extreme RW Russians, who are quasi-Stalinist in many ways are also reasonably marginalized in most of Ukraine. It's hard to protest against them because you don't want to betray your group, but also because you don't want to have your nose broken. Both are going to be problems.

It'll be far easier to deal with the Ukrainian far right. The "National Idea" folk and "popular socialists" can be dealt with because nobody much cares about them. The problem are going to be those that a lot of fringers in the US wind up justifying--the Russian nationalists in Ukraine. To leave them be will be an extreme error; to do anything to thwart them will be taken as ethnic cleansing and evidence that all Ukrainians are Banderist Nazi thugs, falling back on a leftist trope in the US that anybody not sufficiently socialist is a fascist and a Stalin-era fiction that all evil comes from the nasty fascist invaders. Overly binary thinking that still sticks around and should, by now, have faded into the mists of time.