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Breaking news: Dominique Strauss-Kahn charged over alleged links to prostitution ring in France (Original Post) malaise Mar 2012 OP
Not surprised. JDPriestly Mar 2012 #1
But his replacement is favored to win malaise Mar 2012 #4
Having seen him with Michelle Obama, I would not be surprised JDPriestly Mar 2012 #8
Good points malaise Mar 2012 #9
accused of rape, sexual assault of french journalist, buying women is not mere dalliances seabeyond Mar 2012 #10
to us, in our culture. JDPriestly Mar 2012 #14
rape and assault, is rape and assault. now, other countries men and officials may ignore it better seabeyond Mar 2012 #16
True, but the law is dependent on the culture of the country of the law. JDPriestly Mar 2012 #17
no. i do not have to "respect" the allowance of rape. really?????? seabeyond Mar 2012 #18
Yes, but we can speak out while showing respect for JDPriestly Mar 2012 #19
you dont show respect calling rape dalliances. you show respect to all of humanity calling it seabeyond Mar 2012 #20
Oh noes! trof Mar 2012 #2
The DSK apologists need to get back to work again. DCBob Mar 2012 #3
I think it is vastly different to see a willing prostitute dsc Mar 2012 #11
good. maybe somewhere along the way, he will actually pay for his actions. nt seabeyond Mar 2012 #5
Good, I hope that rapist POS rots in prison. Odin2005 Mar 2012 #6
Good. joshcryer Mar 2012 #7
Good, he deserves it. Beacool Mar 2012 #12
If he sought refuge in the U.S., became a Republican, and agreed to wear a diaper aint_no_life_nowhere Mar 2012 #13
I am not surprised, and think it quite possible he has used prostitutes. That said, I believe that HiPointDem Mar 2012 #15

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
1. Not surprised.
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 07:36 PM
Mar 2012

The only thing cynical about it is the timing -- right before the French election in, I think, May. Strauss-Kahn probably would have won had issues about his allegedly lecherous sex life not been publicized.

French women are waking up. We shall see whether they become fully roused from their sleep and change French men. I wouldn't count on it.

Remember, Sarkozy left his wife for a model just a few years ago and while serving as President of France.

And Mitterand is alleged to have hired his mistress as a member of his cabinet.

I don't know what is true and what is false, but I do recall that Sarkozy left his wife to marry a model just a few years ago. You may recall that Sarkozy and his then wife came to the US to visit Bush. Ms. Sarkozy did not join the Bushes for an American meal, maybe hot dogs or something like that. We all thought she didn't like American food.

Soon after that the separation of the Sarkozys was announced. And not long after that Sarkozy married his present wife. I don't know if I remember this correctly.

Please correct my facts.

Ah!! the French. Not very American, you have to admit that.

Woops! I forgot about Gingrich, Edwards, etc.

There is, of course, quite a difference between having an affair and organizing a prostitution ring, but . . . . . people would not organize prostitution rings unless there was a market for prostitutes. Which there certainly is. Think about the DC Madam and Vitter.

malaise

(269,004 posts)
4. But his replacement is favored to win
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 08:07 PM
Mar 2012
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/26/dominique-strauss-kahn-charged-prostitution-ring
<snip>
A French judge has charged the former head of the International Monetary Fund Dominique Strauss-Kahn over his alleged links with a prostitution ring.

Investigators want to establish if Strauss-Kahn knew the girls he has admitted having sex with during "libertine" parties in various cities including Paris and Washington, were paid. Strauss-Kahn, 62, has denied having any such knowledge and denied any wrongdoing.

He was "mis en examen", the French equivalent of being charged, after being held in police custody and quizzed for two days in February over an alleged high-class prostitution ring centre on the luxury Carlton Hotel in the northern city of Lille. The charges carry a maximum 20 year jail term.

The orgies, at which Strauss-Kahn – or DSK as he is known – has admitted having sex with a number of women, were allegedly organised by high-ranking police officers and business contacts from Lille with whom he had links.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
8. Having seen him with Michelle Obama, I would not be surprised
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 10:22 PM
Mar 2012

to learn that he thinks he is more attractive and desirable than he is so he might be capable of any illusion about women he meets. Still, how many older French men might treasure the same illusion.

The political timing of these charges is suspicious. Is it a crime to be a foolish old lecher? Is Sarkozy any better?

Politicians tend to have big, big egos and very poor judgment sometimes. And the politicians of the liberal or left persuasion seem to get caught in their dalliances more often than the ones on the right.

DSK appears to be a man of a different generation who has not caught up with the times.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
10. accused of rape, sexual assault of french journalist, buying women is not mere dalliances
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 10:35 PM
Mar 2012

that is offensive

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
14. to us, in our culture.
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 02:06 AM
Mar 2012

But our culture is not the only one. People in other countries see a lot of things differently than we do.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
16. rape and assault, is rape and assault. now, other countries men and officials may ignore it better
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 07:23 AM
Mar 2012

than our country, but it is still... rape and assault. not a dalliance

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
17. True, but the law is dependent on the culture of the country of the law.
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 04:03 PM
Mar 2012

We have to respect the rights of other countries to govern themselves and that includes deciding on their own laws.

I suspect that is why they are going after Strauss-Kahn for a role in a prostitution ring -- because they want very much to embarrass and punish him -- partly for his behavior but also for his political stances -- and this is how they can do it under their law.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
18. no. i do not have to "respect" the allowance of rape. really??????
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 05:10 PM
Mar 2012

when you haev a patriarchal society like the french, that we lord about their sexual progressiveness and we learn that really it is only about repression of women, it is something for ALL women to speak out about. not respect

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
19. Yes, but we can speak out while showing respect for
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 05:45 PM
Mar 2012

people and their customs. An explanation as to why you disagree with the culture of another country is helpful.

A person who is from a different culture and holding on to the ways of that culture will "feel" intuitively that his or her culture is right because things have always been that way. That does not make it right, but, if we believe that change should occur, we have to persuade people that the reasons to change are more compelling than the reasons to continue old ways, old customs.

The abolitionists were able to persuade many people that slavery was wrong because they showed that African-Americans were humans. The Civil Rights movement worked the same way. People had to ask for their rights and had to give good reasons for deserving them.

The problem in changing attitudes towards women, marriage, equal rights, etc. is to show that old ways actually harm people. It is very hard to persuade those who profit of benefit from old ideas and ways that it is not only in the general interest but in their own interest to change. It is hard to persuade people that the old ways are actually hurting, say families or children or women.

Outrage doesn't get very far. It just gets a defensive reaction. Patient conviction is the best way to achieve change.

As an older person, I remember how women were treated in the workplace years ago. You may have seen in the old movies a room full of typists. The men, the company directors, were all sequestered in their separate offices. That's the way it was. We've really come a long way. Do we still have a way to go? Yes. But we have to work at it patiently. Fortunately, my grown daughters have never known the reality I knew in my youth. They can't even imagine a world like the one I grew up in. So change comes -- slowly but surely.

There is no point in outrage. There is much to be achieved by persistently but respectfully pointing to the problems. The problem in France is very old attitudes. It's up to the French to change them.

And I would like to point out that in our culture, we accept divorce and remarriage as though it was just a matter of changing towels.

As long as there is a court-ordered divorce, we don't consider the damage done to children, families, our society. Personally, I think we should try to lower our own divorce rate before we criticize other cultures in which they handle problems differently.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
20. you dont show respect calling rape dalliances. you show respect to all of humanity calling it
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 06:15 PM
Mar 2012

what it is.

a WAR.... is what addressed slavery. protests, and yelling out is what addressed civil rights. they didnt kindly ask if they could be treated as human. you dont think the women have kindly asked not to be raped.

outrage doesnt getting you far? really? please dont rape me. it isnt nice.... 2012 and the good old boys of france just dont get it yet?

i continually listen to you make light of rape. suck it up. dalliance. misunderstood. when will you side with the women being forcably fucked, i have got to wonder.

and really, i like you and i mean that respectfully.... and yes, that bluntly.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
11. I think it is vastly different to see a willing prostitute
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 10:36 PM
Mar 2012

and to assault a hotel maid. I still have no idea if he did or didn't assault the maid. As to the prostitution it looks rather like he did that.

Beacool

(30,249 posts)
12. Good, he deserves it.
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 10:42 PM
Mar 2012

My brother is an economist in Europe and said that no one was really surprised when the hotel maid in NY accused him of sexual assault. The guy is known for thinking that all women are his for the taking.

What goes around, comes around.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
13. If he sought refuge in the U.S., became a Republican, and agreed to wear a diaper
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 10:43 PM
Mar 2012

he'd get standing ovations from fellow Republicans and be treated like a paragon of virtue by conservatives (although I'm not seriously suggesting he could obtain asylum here).

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
15. I am not surprised, and think it quite possible he has used prostitutes. That said, I believe that
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 02:21 AM
Mar 2012

he is also being targeted politically.

Plenty of politicians use prostitutes. Probably more than in the general population.

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