RW logic: Kids should NOT be taught by parents and law enforcement to scream, punch, kick at adult

[blm]

strangers who approach them too closely, because if the kid tries to fight them off then the adult stranger will have the right to kill the kid in self defense.

I guess RWers will now be teaching their children to quietly accept whatever an adult stranger has in mind whenever they are approached by one.

They never think about logic in their eagerness to excuse what Zimmmerman did.

[Snake Alchemist]

1. I think you should be able to hit anyone within 20 feet of you if they look suspicious. nt

[blm]

4. How close did Zimmerman get when he approached the kid? Evidently within arm's length - too close

for ANY kid to be comfortable.

You are grasping because you know you have no logical comeback.

[Snake Alchemist]

5. 150 feet.

Since we are making things up.

[blm]

9. YOU are the one making things up - I asked a logical question that you couldn't answer logically.

So you've resorted to talking nonsense.

[Snake Alchemist]

10. I don't think "logic" means what you think it does. nt

[blm]

12. Kids are taught to scream, kick, punch when adult stranger approaches them. Yes or No?

Zimmerman was somehow OUT of his car when he claims he was assaulted?

How did he get that close to the kid holding a phone who assaulted him?

Did the kid force Zimmerman to get out of his car and follow him just so he could turn around and assault him?

There is NO LOGIC to any claim that Zimmerman was acting in self-defense, especially since kids are TAUGHT from an early age and it is re-inforced throughout their teens that they are to fight any attempt by an adult to get close enough to them to grab them.

[Snake Alchemist]

14. Why did T's parents let him out so late? Shouldn't he have been in bed?

I like how a 17 yo has now become a 5 yo.

[blm]

15. Kids taught to fight back and it's re-inforced in their teens by parents AND law enforcement who

conduct protection classes at the schools. You prefer that a 17yo NOT protect themself as taught when approached by an adult stranger?

Gee, Snake, where do YOU draw the line? You have to pretend that the kid holding the phone approached and assaulted the hulking adult. You'd think Mr Wannabe policeman would have said "Don't come near me or I'll shoot" at the skinny kid who was chasing him and assaulting him.

Some reach you need to have there, Snake. I've seen a whole pack of social media moonies are out and about trying to make the exact same case as you. None have shown an ounce of logic in their claims.

[Snake Alchemist]

16. Please contact the media to let them know what happened.

You could be an invaluable resource.

[blm]

23. Keep telling yourself whatever you need to stay standing in that position, Snake...

it really has nothing to do with me and everything to do with the logic you need to avoid to maintain your position. Dishonesty only begs for scrutiny and exposure.

[Snake Alchemist]

24. I know that for some it doesn't matter what the evidence says in either direction. nt

[blm]

25. If Zimmerman had a logical reason for approaching an unarmed kid it has not been stated

I don't SEE that there is a logical reason based on anything out there so far. My questions for the RWersclaiming that Zimmerman was assaulted remain unanswered.

HOW did a skinny kid talkig on a phone and with NO weapon force a hulking adult WITH a weapon out of his car?

If Zimmerman approached the kid, then at what point does the RW accept that the teen was doing as he'd been taught...to scream, punch and kick the person he felt had come too close to him?

[Snake Alchemist]

26. Does it matter if it was logical?

No one has the right to assault you if you merely approach them and ask a question. Imagine if this was a woman in Z's place and tell me what the reaction would be.

For all we know, Z grabbed T by the wrist though so we'll have to wait until all the evidence is released.

[blm]

27. You omit that Zimmerman had been following him with his car for some time first. When he got out of

his car he was approaching a young person as a hulking adult. If he got close enough to the kid for the kid to throw a punch than that kid was doing EXACTLY as he'd been taught to do throughout his young life.

The kid had NO record of ever hitting or assaulting anyone did he? You think he'd choose a large man who had been following him with his car and who he said on the phone that he was uncomfortable about it as the first person he planned to assault?

You really have some reach there, Snake. All to absolve the shooter of an unarmed kid. You'd have to believe the phone records were manufactured to excuse what Zimmerman did. But - I'm pretty sure you know Zimmerman shot the kid unfairly but your 'side' is invested in the imagery you need to keep yourself deluded about your country.

[Snake Alchemist]

28. Has about as much relevance as being suspended for mj instead of tardies. Zero. nt

[blm]

31. You're completely reaching to defend the indefensible and you have no logic behind your position.

Not unlike the tough corner the RW will often paint themselves into, time and time again just to pretend to themselves that they aren't just assholes.

[Snake Alchemist]

32. If you say so. Remember when Z was white and lived in a wealthy gated community? nt

[blm]

36. and don't forget the kid was out VERY, VERY late, right? According to......you.

.

[Snake Alchemist]

39. Yes, 5 year old's should be home eating dinner at that time.

You may want to read the entire post.

[Snake Alchemist]

42. Whatever you say.

Facts on either side seem to have little bearing.

[Zalatix]

41. blm's facts are precise. Where are your facts?

If someone follows your kid in a car and then gets out to confront them, do you expect the kid to let himself get assaulted? I think not.

[Snake Alchemist]

44. If someone observes me and then asks what I am doing, that does not give me the right to hit them.

If Z's account is accurate. For all I or anyone knows, Z grabbed him first, but I'll wait to hear more.

[Zalatix]

48. Well then for all you know Z should have gotten his ass kicked.

[Snake Alchemist]

49. No argument there. nt

[CatWoman]

18. jesus christ on a pogo stick

who the fuck goes to bed at 7 p.m.?

you're one sick puppy.....

[Snake Alchemist]

19. A 5 yo? nt

[CatWoman]

21. or better yet

a 5 year old Duke Lacrosse player

[Snake Alchemist]

22. Would have to be a prodigy. nt

[Uncle Joe]

30. Didn't you read the police report on your own link?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=473423

"Getting out of a car does not entitle you to hit anyone. Please read the police report before

making comments."

http://sanfordfl.gov/investigation/trayvon_martin.html

"Trayvon Martin Investigation"

http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/Twin%20Lakes%20Shooting%20Initial%20Report.pdf

Trayon was shot and killed between 5:17 and 5:30pm, that's hardly late for a 17 year old even if that 17 year old is/was much closer to 16 than 18, date of birth being 2/5.

[Zalatix]

43. Out after 5PM?!!! What a miscreant!

Who knew that an evil brown kid would dare be out that late in the darkest of dark hours????

[CatWoman]

17. like a 20 foot neon sign, blm

it just screams at you......

[blm]

20. no kidding....for some time now

.

[Ikonoklast]

37. From day one.

Matter of time.

[blm]

38. Stuff like this is flypaper

.

[Snake Alchemist]

45. Yes, my posts on "Girl wih the Dragon Tattoo" are well documented.

[Xyzse]

2. Oh come on

You know that only applies when you're a minority. Otherwise, feel free.

[Dawson Leery]

3. For the right wing, there is not bottom as to how low they will go

to discredit minorities and protect the right wing laws supporting gun ownership.

[Snake Alchemist]

6. Same thing happened with Duke Lacrosse. They muddied the waters until justice was subverted. nt

[blm]

11. Not the same thing, though, is it? Funny how you are reaching so far to excuse Zimmerman when all

that needs doing is for his defense attorney to explain how it all happened so it can be examined through the LOGIC PRISM that you apparently find uncomfortable.

I would merely BET that the defense attorney will be somewhat uncomfortable himself in that pursuit.

[Snake Alchemist]

29. I am not the one reaching. Just waiting for all the evidence to come out. Unlike some.

Z may be guilty as sin, but I'm willing to consider all the evidence before I start piling on. Especially when it's this emotionally charged.

[blm]

33. You've tried to shoot down logical questions and positions in order to assert counter claims.

So, please let's not pretend that you are merely 'waiting' as you've reached pretty far already to latch onto the kid 'assaulted' the shooter position.

[Snake Alchemist]

34. Let's not pretend that you know what happened either.

[blm]

35. I just said the truth about ANY situation like that. You did not. Kid did exactly as taught by

parents and law enforcement. Zimmerman did exactly what he was told by law enforcement NOT to do that night.

No honest parent would claim otherwise.

[Snake Alchemist]

40. If you listen closely to the audio recordings you can hear him yelling "Stranger-Danger!" nt

[Ian David]

7. Also, never yell, "Bad touch!" or "Stranger Danger!" Just lay back and enjoy it. n/t

[butterfly77]

8. So,with their logic

if a pedophile approaches a kid,or pretends to be law enforcement. The child should let them have their way.

[blm]

13. Yep - they just don't take the time to think their positions through, and

if they did they wouldn't have 99% of their positions, would they?

[JVS]

46. Scream and run. Punching and kicking is something that a child will not do effectively and will...

increase their level of danger. Never try to fight off a grown up, run and seek a grown up you know and trust.

[Snake Alchemist]

47. Good advice. nt

[blm]

50. Yes, but if they're already close to grab you kids are supposed to kick out and keep up a commotion

to attract attention.