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Why is the mainstream media ignoring Neo-Nazis in Ukraine (Original Post) bigdarryl Mar 2014 OP
Because it isn't the overall story of what is going on there? Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #1
^^This^^ mr_hat Mar 2014 #2
Why would an organic Ukrainian movement welcome the IMF? arcane1 Mar 2014 #3
Thank you. nt EmilyAnne Mar 2014 #5
Well that's not what the BBC news is reporting bigdarryl Mar 2014 #10
+ several million joeybee12 Mar 2014 #13
Because it interferes with the flag waving and Putin/Bogeyman show. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #4
You got it right. go west young man Mar 2014 #7
Yep ... Putin is the "nazi," here. 1000words Mar 2014 #8
Yeah ignoring sharp_stick Mar 2014 #6
Because it is a red herring and a silly lens to try to view the real story through cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #9
Amen! LiberalEsto Mar 2014 #16
They haven't been ignoring Neo-Nazis in the Ukraine..... AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #11
presumably because most Americans want their issues clear cut and unambiguous.... mike_c Mar 2014 #12
Because that doesn't support the drumbeat for doc03 Mar 2014 #14
Pretty much for the same reason the BBC and NHK ignore the neo-Nazis in the U.S. LanternWaste Mar 2014 #15

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
1. Because it isn't the overall story of what is going on there?
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 04:23 PM
Mar 2014

Yes, there are neo-Nazis and ultranationalists in Ukraine.

Just like many places.

No, the recent change in power was not orchestrated by neo-Nazis, ultranationalists, the CIA, western Neo-cons, etc.

It was an organic Ukrainian movement spanning all ideologies, religious groups, linguistic groups, etc.

The "neo-Nazi/neo-con" coup is a false narrative being peddled by bored Westerners who feel as though the actual narrative isn't titillating enough.

 

go west young man

(4,856 posts)
7. You got it right.
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 04:33 PM
Mar 2014

This is their new campaign ad. It's bloody scary...like something from Hitlers Third Reich.

The fact the US media is ignoring this speaks volumes. These are the thugs who led all the violent protests. The reason they were successful so fast is because they are so violent.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
9. Because it is a red herring and a silly lens to try to view the real story through
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 04:34 PM
Mar 2014

A lot of "useful idiots" fell for Russian pumped propaganda about the truly unexceptional fact that part of opposition to Russian domination of Ukraine is Ukrainian ultra-nationalists.

Well, duh. It is a type of propaganda that is very insulting to the reader because it presumes the reader is so dumb as to "pick sides" based on extraneous emotionally loaded junk.

That factoid doesn't have any meaning because the overall story is not a story about neo-nazis taking over Ukraine and brave Russia trying to stop them, and nobody was basing their argument against Russia bullying Ukraine on the proposition that there was no ultra-nationalist party in Ukraine.

The neo-nazi types are a minority portion of the total opposition to Russian dominance of Ukraine, and the fact that some Ukrainians opposed to Russian dominance of Ukraine are assholes is the non-story of the year.

If Mexico tried to seize Arizona a lot of opposition to the move would come from tea-party types. It's true.

Which says nothing at all about the equity of hypothetical Mexican dominance of Arizona.

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
16. Amen!
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 06:05 PM
Mar 2014

And you have to wonder how many of those types in the Ukrainian opposition actually were hired and paid by Russia to dress and act like neofascist agitators. I wonder how Russian media got such clear images of these so-called neofascists.

Since Russia deliberately sent "unmarked" troops without insignias or badges into Ukraine to take over Crimea, I'm sure they would be capable of hiring fake neofascists.

This is the same kind of thing the FBI used to infiltrate the movement opposed to the Vietnam War; it's not a new tactic.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
11. They haven't been ignoring Neo-Nazis in the Ukraine.....
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 04:35 PM
Mar 2014

they HAVE, however, *actually* ignored the neo-fascist problems in Russia quite easily.....hmm.....I wonder why.....

mike_c

(36,281 posts)
12. presumably because most Americans want their issues clear cut and unambiguous....
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 04:36 PM
Mar 2014

Even if that means making them simplistic. Hell, PARTICULARLY if that means making them simplistic.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
15. Pretty much for the same reason the BBC and NHK ignore the neo-Nazis in the U.S.
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 04:47 PM
Mar 2014

Pretty much for the same reason the BBC and NHK ignore the neo-Nazis in the U.S.n when they report about U.S. politics-- loud, but small in number, ineffectual, and marginalized to the point of being an embarrassment to the country and the body politic... at best, a footnote to a story, but more often than not, irrelevant to the story.


Though I imagine there are (and will be) idiots who maintain that the "neo-Nazis" are indicative of the Ukrainian government as a whole, the U.S. government as a whole... or even both.


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