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(8,964 posts)Take what actually happened and run the evolutionary steps in reverse. Then reduce the IQ of the ape by half.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)pipoman
(16,038 posts)right up to "what actually happened"....
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)and that what is represented is but a long discarded caricature.
Still, a clever thought, in a populist way, if what actually happened can be represented by what actually didn't happen
Terra Alta
(5,158 posts)Just creationists, who are a minority of Christians worldwide.
I'm a Christian, and I accept evolution as fact.
get the red out
(13,466 posts)My Dad was a devout Christian and loved science and accepted evolution. I grew up not seeing this as a big deal. Now it is presented as a completely black or white issue with all "stupid" Christians lumped into the creationist "side" vs the "smart" atheists on the science "side". Humans are actually more complex.
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)46% of the US accepts creationism by "God".
http://www.thenation.com/article/168385/whats-matter-creationism
78% of the US is Christian and 95% of religious Americans are Christians.
http://www.christianpost.com/news/survey-christians-make-up-95-percent-of-u-s-religious-population-65621/
The only way to posit that this does not mean a majority of Christians are creationists is to pretend that about 7% of the population (46-(78/2)) thinks that a god in whom they do not believe created humans in their current form.
In reality even if you assume, absurdly, that ALL US Muslims and Jews are creationists (2.8%) and throw in another 1% for minority religions such as Jains and Hindus too, that still means at least 42/78 or 54% of Christians, at an absolute minimum, believe humans were created by God as is.
And that doesn't even include those who believe in a God-guided evolution.
Damansarajaya
(625 posts)Long story short, problem solved.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I say that as someone who is NOT a Christian, however, the Creationists are only one subset.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)My only point is, there are plenty of Christians- a self-applied label- who reconcile acceptance of the fact of evolution with their religious faith. I don't believe in anything remotely resembling a monotheistic western faith, so I can't answer to "how".
I do know that the Bible contradicts itself in a number of places, AND it contains a whole ton of stuff that, if people took it completely literally, would probably get them in a lot of trouble in most modern societies... so I'd wager there's already a good amount of picking and choosing going on, for most believers.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Because honestly, life 10,000 years ago was nasty, painful, brutish and short. I doubt too many hunter-gatherers wouldn't jump at the chance- if they understood it- to trade places with your or my existence, today.
And frankly I find the whole "Man is terrible, we're awful, we fuck up everything, we suck" mindset to be nothing more than- guess what?- warmed over and repackaged religous guilt and "original sin" nonsense. Yes, the universe was perfect before Eve and Adam ate the apple humans advanced to their current state and sin modern civilization entered the world.
Yes there are problems and yes we have huge challenges, but we are also the most interesting thing to happen to the planet in a long time. And unlike the Dinosaurs, we now possess the means to potentially stop a Chixiclub-size event, which would cause more damage in an instant than industrial civilization has caused in 100 years. In fact, one could argue that the planet's biosphere evolved us potentially as a self-defense mechanism. Just a thought.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Secondly, I'm the last person you should be accusing of "warmed over and repackaged religous guilt and "original sin" nonsense".
Sheesh.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)we're doomed, the universe would be better off without us, yadda yadda yaddda etc...
maybe you've missed it- I haven't. However, here's a good example: I could have predicted with mathematical certainty that, last week, when a professional end-timer started flogging a NASA-funded study that asked the theoretical question "could our civilization collapse", within 72 hours it would be trumpeted all over the internet- particularly, here- as "NASA SAYS CIVILIZATION TO COLLAPSE WITHIN A DECADE!!! See we told you!!!111"
The so-called "Moon Bombing"--- how dare we disturb the moon's 'ecosystem'! Same shit.
The idea that everything in nature is natural except what we do as modern industrialized civilization.
Anyway, these original sin, apocalyptic type scripts are so heavily programmed into our western mode of thinking, most people don't realize they're doing it... but the basic elements are usually the same; one central omnipresent evil, a prior state of grace or perfection, an original sin or "fall", a grand battle between the forces of good and the singular source of evil or oppression, etc.
RainDog
(28,784 posts)...is why I'm happy to know you here on DU.
Outside the dominant paradigm, buddy.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)RainDog
(28,784 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I'm a little late to the party as usual, but--- good stuff. I've been liking Jack White, he's got a good sound.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)seveneyes
(4,631 posts)Exactly. Well put. Precisely. And a bunch of other good words...
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)It is what has actually happened. There is evidence for it.
The crap from the bible? Absolutely no evidence for it whatsoever.
Kablooie
(18,634 posts)It's the bible.
whopis01
(3,514 posts)spin
(17,493 posts)and modern man was the result.
JI7
(89,250 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Humans are the worst thing that has ever hit this planet.
ananda
(28,864 posts)I really don't see why the OT should be that much a part of
Christianity anyway.
It was never written as a "Christian" text, and it's got all
kinds of problems and contradictions. When people take
it literally as a Christian text, we get all kinds of horrors,
particularly the current war against women that just seems
to be gaining steam and perniciousness every damm day.