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Origin of Humans (Original Post) Playinghardball Mar 2014 OP
For the origin of Tea Party conservatives Zambero Mar 2014 #1
... SammyWinstonJack Mar 2014 #32
That is a good one nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #2
I'm ok pipoman Mar 2014 #3
Yep, if we ignore it wasn't orthogenic HereSince1628 Mar 2014 #4
Not all Christians Terra Alta Mar 2014 #5
Thank you get the red out Mar 2014 #27
haven't seen worldwide numbers (would like to if you have them) but false in the US whatthehey Mar 2014 #30
God created all life through the process of evolution. Damansarajaya Mar 2014 #31
That's not fair. A lot of Christians accept the scientific fact of evolution. Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #6
Then why believe the rest of the bible? nt Logical Mar 2014 #8
Look, you are totally asking the wrong person that question. Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #9
I'm a Christian for the most part and view the bible as metaphor Boom Sound 416 Mar 2014 #13
What I think... cui bono Mar 2014 #7
Really? Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #11
First of all, there's something called a "joke" that most likely also evolved over time. cui bono Mar 2014 #12
and the joke'd be more funny if there wasn't a neverending stream of "humanity sucks" misanthropy Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #15
This sort of thinking RainDog Mar 2014 #18
*** Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #19
... RainDog Mar 2014 #20
Nice! Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #22
My only regret is that I can't rec this post. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #23
I totally agree with you but, still, it was just a joke, and kinda funny. Vattel Mar 2014 #24
+ Everything seveneyes Mar 2014 #25
It's not "what they think happened". Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #10
There *is* evidence of the crap from the bible. Kablooie Mar 2014 #17
didn't the graphic in the OP state "What actually happened"? n/t whopis01 Mar 2014 #29
You forgot the ancient alien theory. The one where they messed with Neanderthal DNA ... spin Mar 2014 #14
you should change "christians" to "creationists" . JI7 Mar 2014 #16
Whatever happened it was one giant MISTAKE! MoonRiver Mar 2014 #21
The problem is that dammed OT. ananda Mar 2014 #26
One of these is not like the others rock Mar 2014 #28

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
1. For the origin of Tea Party conservatives
Sun Mar 23, 2014, 10:27 PM
Mar 2014

Take what actually happened and run the evolutionary steps in reverse. Then reduce the IQ of the ape by half.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
4. Yep, if we ignore it wasn't orthogenic
Sun Mar 23, 2014, 10:40 PM
Mar 2014

and that what is represented is but a long discarded caricature.

Still, a clever thought, in a populist way, if what actually happened can be represented by what actually didn't happen

Terra Alta

(5,158 posts)
5. Not all Christians
Sun Mar 23, 2014, 10:52 PM
Mar 2014

Just creationists, who are a minority of Christians worldwide.

I'm a Christian, and I accept evolution as fact.

get the red out

(13,466 posts)
27. Thank you
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 08:36 AM
Mar 2014

My Dad was a devout Christian and loved science and accepted evolution. I grew up not seeing this as a big deal. Now it is presented as a completely black or white issue with all "stupid" Christians lumped into the creationist "side" vs the "smart" atheists on the science "side". Humans are actually more complex.

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
30. haven't seen worldwide numbers (would like to if you have them) but false in the US
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 02:56 PM
Mar 2014

46% of the US accepts creationism by "God".

http://www.thenation.com/article/168385/whats-matter-creationism

78% of the US is Christian and 95% of religious Americans are Christians.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/survey-christians-make-up-95-percent-of-u-s-religious-population-65621/

The only way to posit that this does not mean a majority of Christians are creationists is to pretend that about 7% of the population (46-(78/2)) thinks that a god in whom they do not believe created humans in their current form.

In reality even if you assume, absurdly, that ALL US Muslims and Jews are creationists (2.8%) and throw in another 1% for minority religions such as Jains and Hindus too, that still means at least 42/78 or 54% of Christians, at an absolute minimum, believe humans were created by God as is.

And that doesn't even include those who believe in a God-guided evolution.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
6. That's not fair. A lot of Christians accept the scientific fact of evolution.
Sun Mar 23, 2014, 11:00 PM
Mar 2014

I say that as someone who is NOT a Christian, however, the Creationists are only one subset.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
9. Look, you are totally asking the wrong person that question.
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 12:22 AM
Mar 2014


My only point is, there are plenty of Christians- a self-applied label- who reconcile acceptance of the fact of evolution with their religious faith. I don't believe in anything remotely resembling a monotheistic western faith, so I can't answer to "how".

I do know that the Bible contradicts itself in a number of places, AND it contains a whole ton of stuff that, if people took it completely literally, would probably get them in a lot of trouble in most modern societies... so I'd wager there's already a good amount of picking and choosing going on, for most believers.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
11. Really?
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 12:27 AM
Mar 2014

Because honestly, life 10,000 years ago was nasty, painful, brutish and short. I doubt too many hunter-gatherers wouldn't jump at the chance- if they understood it- to trade places with your or my existence, today.

And frankly I find the whole "Man is terrible, we're awful, we fuck up everything, we suck" mindset to be nothing more than- guess what?- warmed over and repackaged religous guilt and "original sin" nonsense. Yes, the universe was perfect before Eve and Adam ate the apple humans advanced to their current state and sin modern civilization entered the world.

Yes there are problems and yes we have huge challenges, but we are also the most interesting thing to happen to the planet in a long time. And unlike the Dinosaurs, we now possess the means to potentially stop a Chixiclub-size event, which would cause more damage in an instant than industrial civilization has caused in 100 years. In fact, one could argue that the planet's biosphere evolved us potentially as a self-defense mechanism. Just a thought.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
12. First of all, there's something called a "joke" that most likely also evolved over time.
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 01:12 AM
Mar 2014

Secondly, I'm the last person you should be accusing of "warmed over and repackaged religous guilt and "original sin" nonsense".

Sheesh.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
15. and the joke'd be more funny if there wasn't a neverending stream of "humanity sucks" misanthropy
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 01:48 AM
Mar 2014

we're doomed, the universe would be better off without us, yadda yadda yaddda etc...

maybe you've missed it- I haven't. However, here's a good example: I could have predicted with mathematical certainty that, last week, when a professional end-timer started flogging a NASA-funded study that asked the theoretical question "could our civilization collapse", within 72 hours it would be trumpeted all over the internet- particularly, here- as "NASA SAYS CIVILIZATION TO COLLAPSE WITHIN A DECADE!!! See we told you!!!111"

The so-called "Moon Bombing"--- how dare we disturb the moon's 'ecosystem'! Same shit.



The idea that everything in nature is natural except what we do as modern industrialized civilization.


Anyway, these original sin, apocalyptic type scripts are so heavily programmed into our western mode of thinking, most people don't realize they're doing it... but the basic elements are usually the same; one central omnipresent evil, a prior state of grace or perfection, an original sin or "fall", a grand battle between the forces of good and the singular source of evil or oppression, etc.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
18. This sort of thinking
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 03:18 AM
Mar 2014

...is why I'm happy to know you here on DU.

Outside the dominant paradigm, buddy.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
22. Nice!
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 07:00 AM
Mar 2014

I'm a little late to the party as usual, but--- good stuff. I've been liking Jack White, he's got a good sound.

 

Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
10. It's not "what they think happened".
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 12:25 AM
Mar 2014

It is what has actually happened. There is evidence for it.

The crap from the bible? Absolutely no evidence for it whatsoever.

spin

(17,493 posts)
14. You forgot the ancient alien theory. The one where they messed with Neanderthal DNA ...
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 01:33 AM
Mar 2014

and modern man was the result.

ananda

(28,864 posts)
26. The problem is that dammed OT.
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 07:55 AM
Mar 2014

I really don't see why the OT should be that much a part of
Christianity anyway.

It was never written as a "Christian" text, and it's got all
kinds of problems and contradictions. When people take
it literally as a Christian text, we get all kinds of horrors,
particularly the current war against women that just seems
to be gaining steam and perniciousness every damm day.

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