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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Sun Mar 23, 2014, 06:53 AM Mar 2014

14 Disturbing Stats About Racial Inequality in American Public Schools

http://www.thenation.com/blog/178958/14-disturbing-stats-about-racial-inequality-american-public-schools



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The Education Department released four papers with the data, analyzing inequality in school discipline, early learning, college readiness and teacher equity (pdfs). Here’s a breakdown of some of the key findings, taken straight from those papers. During the 2011–12 school year:

Black students accounted for 18 percent of the country’s pre-K enrollment, but made up 48 percent of preschoolers with multiple out-of-school suspensions.

Black students were expelled at three times the rate of white students.

American Indian and Native-Alaskan students represented less than 1 percent of students, but 3 percent of expulsions.

Black girls were suspended at higher rates than all other girls and most boys.

American Indian and Native-Alaskan girls were suspended at higher rates than white boys or girls.
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14 Disturbing Stats About Racial Inequality in American Public Schools (Original Post) xchrom Mar 2014 OP
well, according to some folks in another thread on this subject noiretextatique Mar 2014 #1
"They" are very predictable etherealtruth Mar 2014 #8
I would be interested in a study of this that included socio economic controls joeglow3 Mar 2014 #9
You name it, it's been done. Igel Mar 2014 #10
Just curious, what thread are you referring to? Nt. Lunacee_2013 Mar 2014 #11
Kick, kick, kick!!! Heidi Mar 2014 #2
bon jour, mon Cher! it's Sunday and i'm feeling Very Spiritual xchrom Mar 2014 #3
Well, aren't you a vision! Heidi Mar 2014 #4
k/r marmar Mar 2014 #5
K&R Solly Mack Mar 2014 #6
Some better solutions can always be found. ananda Mar 2014 #7
Suspension/expulsion is clearly not the best answer *for the child suspended or expelled*. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2014 #14
the prison pipeline G_j Mar 2014 #12
For the Solution dlconsultantgroup Mar 2014 #13

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
1. well, according to some folks in another thread on this subject
Sun Mar 23, 2014, 10:11 AM
Mar 2014

it's just a bunch of low-income black kids who don't act right and most certainly not institutional racism because their are only a few racist teachers and administrators

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
8. "They" are very predictable
Sun Mar 23, 2014, 10:57 AM
Mar 2014

"They" claim racism (sexism/ homophobia) exists but THIS (whatever this is) isn't an example of it. It is always attributable to some other factor (usually a negative factor they attribute to the particular group being discriminated against).

Igel

(35,374 posts)
10. You name it, it's been done.
Sun Mar 23, 2014, 02:18 PM
Mar 2014

This result is 40 or more years old. It's been a recurring topic.

Control for SES of students. Control for race and SES of students. Control for school funding. Control for income alone. Control for neighborhood. Control for immigration status of parents.

Control for race of teacher. Control for SES and race of teacher.

Control for race of administrator. Control for SES and race of administrator.

Control for institutional policies. School make up by melanin levels or thickness of wallet of parents or school board. Look at community composition by ethnicity and SES.

Run the study in 1970. 1975. 1980. 1985. 1990. 1995. 2000. 2005. 2013.

Run the study in NYC. Boston. San Francisco. Seattle. Or in Little Rock. Dallas. Phoenix. Boise.

Similar results. Try to find solutions? Good luck if you can't find causal explanations and their distribution. That hasn't stopped people.

Run programs and institute new policies. Most work. While the study goes on, while the teachers are monitored, while the students are monitored, while everybody feels special and the parents are involved up to their navels. A couple of years later, it's back to the same thing--not just in terms of discipline, but in terms of what researchers who look at videotapes of how students act in the behavior count incidents of disrespect, absymal behavior, things that can be termed aggression.

How much data-dredging goes on. Oh, a heck of a lot.

Some studies are outrageously advocatorial. They find a bias in how teachers respond to black kids, but the bias they cite applies to 5-15% of the instances. The study's cited, but if you look at it and knock out the 5-15% number from their data, "adjusting" the data to account for racism effects, there's still a serious difference in student behavior. The only ones that don't have that problem assume that there is no difference, so any explanation that explains part of the variance, however weak, must be happening. These aren't studies; they're defenses and best ignored.

Some offensive results have come out of it. If your parents are immigrants and you're black (as opposed to "African-American&quot you really do tend to be different in behavior, graduation rates, scholarship, GPA, college attendance. This fits with the following bit of info.

Black, Asian, Latino, or white, male or female, teachers and administrators all give African-American ("AA&quot kids more harsh discipline on average than Latino, white, or Asian kids. The relative ranking is the same pretty much across the board. Boys get more harsh discipline than girls. "More harsh discipline" means how often a kid gets ISS or OSS, ASD or a parent conference. It's not saying that for any given kid the discipline will be harsher. (I know how to form the comparative. "More" is quantitative, not qualitative.) The numbers vary a bit but the trend is pretty much the same. Even the studies that do find racism still find this to be true. So teachers from poor black families are only a little less racist than teachers from middle-class white families. That sort of sucks for advocacy-based papers.

In other words, it's not just the reaction by teachers and administrators. Perhaps it's the cultural norms of the classroom at issue. Perhaps it's the cultural norms of the students. Most likely it's both.

I've seen race-based cultural reasons advanced, seldom "blaming the victim" and saying "the teacher and administrator must accommodate "cultural differences" in child-rearing, group norms for culture and expectations of behavior, identity formation, linguistic norms, etc., etc. This handles a lot of the data, but doesn't help the problem.

I've seen SES-based reasons advanced. Some confuse race and SES, with some of the race-based reasons being true for whites with a specific SES. Some look at parent education.

It's a mess to disentangle.

Heidi

(58,237 posts)
4. Well, aren't you a vision!
Sun Mar 23, 2014, 10:24 AM
Mar 2014

As lovely as always and you get bonus points for not having lipstick on your teeth, dah-link!

ananda

(28,887 posts)
7. Some better solutions can always be found.
Sun Mar 23, 2014, 10:45 AM
Mar 2014

Mentoring, tutoring, counseling, and so on would work far better.

I've taught all kinds of students over the years. It's true that Black
students act out far more than white students, and that Hispanic
students are way more passive aggressive and gang oriented.

But suspension is not the answer. They're just kids for godssakes.
They act out and do stupid things because they can't do school
and don't want to deal with the shame of low performance.

They need a lot of attention and guidance, that's all.
One program that helps is credit recovery on compupter programs
like Gradpoint, with a tutor or two present for help with any aspect
of the subject they're working on.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
14. Suspension/expulsion is clearly not the best answer *for the child suspended or expelled*.
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 04:25 PM
Mar 2014

But the flip side is that keeping disruptive children in class isn't good for the others.

There's no way to give all children the best possible education; you have to decide how to balance the interests of different children.

And I'm not sure there's an easy right answer to that one.

13. For the Solution
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 03:35 PM
Mar 2014

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