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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsEven ethical politicians have to lie to conduct foreign policy.
(A thought inspired by, but not specifically about, Michelle Obama's visit to China - I haven't actually been following her visit closely, so I don't know if this is directly relevant to it, but it's an example of the kind of situation where it sometimes is):
One of the many ways in which being a (governing) politician must be weird is the knowledge that, if you don't lie through your teeth, or at least massively obfuscate your views, large numbers of innocent people will suffer and possibly die.
There are a significant number of states which 1) are appallingly repressive, 2) America seriously insulting would cause massive problems, and 3) telling the truth would be a serious insult.
Which means that you're in a practically unique situation where honesty is seriously unethical, and dishonesty is ethical.
I much prefer being able to say what I think :-s
Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)... Which is my fancy way of saying that I agree with your OP.
enlightenment
(8,830 posts)is expedient - not ethical. A repressive nation will not change its treatment of its people because a foreign politician criticizes what they see (if you believe they would, please share your examples, because I'm not coming up with one).
Given that truth would not cause knock-on harm to the people of the repressive nation, there is no ethical reason to lie. Only one of political expediency that maintains the status quo between the nations.
Like you, I am not referring to Michelle Obama's holiday in China (I haven't been paying attention to it, either); only responding to your position.
OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)rational, objective, and unemotional a course. The contingent elements of
personality, prejudice, and subjective preference, and of all the weaknesses
of intellect and will which flesh is heir to, are bound to deflect foreign
policies from their rational course. Especially where foreign policy is conducted
under the conditions of democratic control, the need to marshal
popular emotions to the support of foreign policy cannot fail to impair the
rationality of foreign policy itself. Yet a theory of foreign policy which
aims at rationality must for the time being, as it were, abstract from these
irrational elements and seek to paint a picture of foreign policy which
presents the rational essence to be found in experience, without the contingent
deviations from rationality which are also found in experience.
Deviations from rationality which are not the result of the personal
whim or the personal psychopathology of the policy maker may appear
contingent only from the vantage point of rationality, but may themselves
be elements in a coherent system of irrationality. The conduct of the
Indochina War by the United States suggests that possibility. It is a question
worth looking into whether modern psychology and psychiatry have
provided us with 'the conceptual tools which would enable us to construct,
as it were, a counter-theory of irrational politics, a kind of pathology of
international politics.
The experience of the Indochina War suggests five factors such a theory
might encompass: the imposition upon the empirical world of a simplistic
and a priori picture of the world derived from folklore and ideological
assumption, that is, the replacement of experience with superstition; the
refusal to correct this picture of the world in the light of experience; the
persistence in a foreign policy derived from the misperception of reality
and the use of intelligence for the purpose not of adapting policy to reality
but of reinterpreting reality to fit policy; the egotism of the policy makers
widening the gap between perception and policy, on the one hand, and
reality, on the other; finally, the urge to close the gap at least subjectively
by action, any kind of action, that creates the illusion of mastery over a
recalcitrant reality. According to the Wall Slreet Journal of April 3, 1970,
"the desire to 'do something' pervades top levels of Government and may
overpower other'common sense' advice that insists the U.S. ability to
shape events is negligible. The yen for action could lead to bold policy as
therapy."
Morgenthau, H. (1948). Politics among nations: The struggle for power and peace (pp. 7, 8). New York: Knopf
First Speaker
(4,858 posts)OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)Last edited Sat Mar 22, 2014, 11:41 AM - Edit history (2)
I'm just going off a scanned PDF I received when I was studying international relations. Apparently, it's part of another work. I searched for the Morgenthau chapters online, and what I found matches my PDF in some parts, yet differs in others (in particular, the section you cite.)
http://internationalstudies.edublogs.org/files/2010/09/A-Realist-Theory-of-International-Politics.pdf
Edit to add: at the top of the page it reads, "The Theory and Practice of International Politics."