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Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 04:33 PM Mar 2012

Wait! What?! "On average, 24 horses die each week at racetracks across America..."

Mangled horses, maimed jockeys: racing’s dangers
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On average, 24 horses die each week at racetracks across America. Many are inexpensive horses racing with little regulatory protection in pursuit of bigger and bigger prizes. These deaths often go unexamined, the bodies shipped to rendering plants and landfills rather than to pathologists who might have discovered why the horses broke down.

In 2008, after a Kentucky Derby horse, Eight Belles, broke two ankles on national television and was euthanized, Congress extracted promises from the racing industry to make its sport safer. While safety measures like bans on anabolic steroids have been enacted, assessing their impact has been difficult because many tracks do not keep accurate accident figures or will not release them.

But an investigation by The New York Times has found that industry practices continue to put animal and rider at risk. A computer analysis of data from more than 150,000 races, along with injury reports, drug test results and interviews, shows an industry still mired in a culture of drugs and lax regulation and a fatal breakdown rate that remains far worse than in most of the world.

Martin’s injury occurred in a state with the worst safety record for racetracks, a place where most trainers who illegally pump sore horses full of painkillers to mask injury — and then race them — are neither fined nor suspended and owners of those drugged horses usually keep their winnings.
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Much more:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/25/us/death-and-disarray-at-americas-racetracks.html?_r=1&exprod=myyahoo

This is just WRONG. The horses are run full of drugs, no necropsies are required, and nobody enforces any rules that are there. Without necropsies, they can't definitively determine wht all the causes are. The jockeys are in danger too.

This is animal cruelty. Racing is stressful anyway, but with these methods, it's pure torture.





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Wait! What?! "On average, 24 horses die each week at racetracks across America..." (Original Post) Are_grits_groceries Mar 2012 OP
How many horses participate in the sport? That matters % wise. Logical Mar 2012 #1
Then look at this: Are_grits_groceries Mar 2012 #2
How many die in auto accidents? Eliminate the car? chelsea0011 Mar 2012 #3
cars serve a useful purpose. niyad Mar 2012 #4
Do you think horse racing serves a useful purpose? Racecar driving? Skydiving? Logical Mar 2012 #6
where in the world would you get that idea from my question? niyad Mar 2012 #8
You brought up the useful purpose. I just added some. Logical Mar 2012 #9
Perhaps a biased source which is overstating the impact, BUT... FrodosPet Mar 2012 #13
Are you seriously suggesting that horses should be running no matter Are_grits_groceries Mar 2012 #5
Comparing machines to living breathing arthritisR_US Mar 2012 #7
If the distinction only falls along the lines of animal vs. machine, then chelsea0011 Mar 2012 #14
That's correct and I am opposed to arthritisR_US Mar 2012 #16
If 24 people a week were dying from some unknown problem with their cars every week XemaSab Mar 2012 #26
US horse racing has one of the worst records in the world for the horses magical thyme Mar 2012 #10
It's almost as bad on the show pony side. Check out gingering a horse some time to see how fucked CBGLuthier Mar 2012 #11
It is horrible. Del Mar Track had 7 horses shot in one season, a couple of years ago. Liberty Belle Mar 2012 #12
The normal method deaniac21 Mar 2012 #22
They do not shoot horses with guns at the track. Justpat Mar 2012 #23
The HBO Series "LUCK" was just cancelled because three horses died in K Gardner Mar 2012 #15
In France they are on the menu deaniac21 Mar 2012 #17
They may be on the menu in the U.S. soon. Horse slaughter ban was lifted a couple K Gardner Mar 2012 #18
Why shouldn't horses be on the menu here? Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #25
Oh god.. I think I am going to be ill. Texasgal Mar 2012 #19
The jockeys don't fare much better than the horses tjwash Mar 2012 #20
I was horrified by this story jsmirman Mar 2012 #21
Sounds just as vile as dogfighting ecstatic Mar 2012 #24

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
2. Then look at this:
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 04:44 PM
Mar 2012

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The analysis showed that during those three years the rate of incidents for horses in the United States was 5.2 per 1,000 starts.

By contrast, Woodbine Racetrack in Toronto, which year after year has one of the lowest breakdown rates in North America, had an incident rate of only 1.4, according to the Times analysis. “One of the differences here is medication is not as permissive as it is in the U.S.,” said Jamie Martin, executive vice president of racing at Woodbine.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/25/us/death-and-disarray-at-americas-racetracks.html?_r=1&exprod=myyahoo







FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
13. Perhaps a biased source which is overstating the impact, BUT...
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 11:15 PM
Mar 2012

...it's a start into the economic impact of horse racing.

http://www.horsecouncil.org/national-economic-impact-us-horse-industry

* There are 9.2 million horses in the United States.

* 4.6 million Americans are involved in the industry as horse owners, service providers, employees and volunteers. Tens of millions more participate as spectators.

* 2 million people own horses.

* The horse industry has a direct economic effect on the U.S.of $39 billion annually.

* The industry has a $102 billion impact on the U.S.economy when the multiplier effect of spending by industry suppliers and employees is taken into account. Including off-site spending of spectators would result in an even higher figure.

* The industry directly provides 460,000 full-time equivalent (FTE) jobs.

* Spending by suppliers and employees generates additional jobs for a total employment impact of 1.4 million FTE jobs.

* The horse industry pays $1.9 billion in taxes to all levels of government.

* Approximately 34% of horse owners have a household income of less than $50,000 and 28% have an annual income of over $100,000. 46% of horse owners have an income of between $25,000 to $75,000.

* Over 70% of horse owners live in communities of 50,000 or less.

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On the bright side, many people in the industry care very deeply about their animals. And a domesticated horse is going to have a much longer and healthier existence than a wild horse, who is subject to no shelter, predators, and untreated illnesses and injuries.

On the dark side are people who are in it ONLY for the money, and yes, running horses can and do get hurt, whether on a track or in a field.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
5. Are you seriously suggesting that horses should be running no matter
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 04:51 PM
Mar 2012

what health they are in?

From the article:

But many prior ailments are indeed serious. The Times obtained hundreds of necropsy reports on racehorses that died racing in Pennsylvania and found problems that included “severe degenerative joint disease,” “severe chronic osteoarthritis” and pneumonia with “severe, extensive” lung inflammation. One horse had 50 stomach ulcers. Another had just one eye. Pathologists also found metal screws in two horses that had broken bones from previous accidents.


You seriously believe that horses with these conditions should be racing and there should be no oversight?


Because I don't!




arthritisR_US

(7,291 posts)
7. Comparing machines to living breathing
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 05:01 PM
Mar 2012

animals is not a valid comparison, IMO. Machines don't bleed or feel pain, horses do. When safety issues arise with vehicles, recalls are issued. Mandatory six point restraints are in all vehicles, air bags employed and I could go on. I just don't think the comparison was valid

chelsea0011

(10,115 posts)
14. If the distinction only falls along the lines of animal vs. machine, then
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 11:10 AM
Mar 2012

any animal that used for any sporting/recreation/food should be eliminated because they are all certainly injured and killed all the time.

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
26. If 24 people a week were dying from some unknown problem with their cars every week
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 06:05 PM
Mar 2012

would you say that the auto industry should carry on as usual and not investigate?

So why are you ok with 24 dead horses and an equal number of potentially at-risk jockeys every week?

Don't you think that this is worthy of investigation?

I would think that much as all people who drive should be in favor of making cars safer, all horse racing fans should be in favor of making racing safer for the horses and the jockeys.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
10. US horse racing has one of the worst records in the world for the horses
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 05:13 PM
Mar 2012

The track surfaces are harder, so more concussion.
Especially at the smaller tracks, the horses are over-raced, weekly instead of every few weeks.
Racing used to be seasonal, so horses got winters off in the north and summers off in the south, giving them time to recuperate. Now they are trucked around to race year round.
Constantly training or racing, without downtime to recuperate from minor strains.

And for every horse that dies as a direct result of a race, many, many more are made permanently unsound and end up at the slaughterhouse. Rescuers can only take on so many "pasture ornaments" before they run out of space and money.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
11. It's almost as bad on the show pony side. Check out gingering a horse some time to see how fucked
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 06:21 PM
Mar 2012

people can be.

Liberty Belle

(9,535 posts)
12. It is horrible. Del Mar Track had 7 horses shot in one season, a couple of years ago.
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 10:41 PM
Mar 2012

Lots of theories as to why - drugged horses (with drugs not showing up in tests), a change in the type of turf, among others. I was there at a party hosted by a publisher I worked for at the time when one of those horrific injuries occurred, heard the horse whinnying in pain and then the gunshot as they put it down.

It is a cruel support and since that happened I have refused to go to the track, even when invited free as a guest to special events there, and I tell the organizers why.

Justpat

(3,567 posts)
23. They do not shoot horses with guns at the track.
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 05:21 PM
Mar 2012

Any horse with a catastrophic injury is euthanized with barbituates by a licensed state veterinarian.

K Gardner

(14,933 posts)
15. The HBO Series "LUCK" was just cancelled because three horses died in
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 11:28 AM
Mar 2012

filming before the first season was over.

It was a horrible show. Senseless deaths.

K Gardner

(14,933 posts)
18. They may be on the menu in the U.S. soon. Horse slaughter ban was lifted a couple
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 12:06 PM
Mar 2012

months ago and state legislatures are already lobbying for horse slaughter plants to be opened in their states.

Google "Slaughterhouse Sue" and "Frank Nicely"

ecstatic

(32,729 posts)
24. Sounds just as vile as dogfighting
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 05:22 PM
Mar 2012

Maybe even worse... although, I'm sure there won't be any arrests anytime soon!

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