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That doesn't sound like racism alone - that sounds like corrupt cops trying to hide their involvement in a crime and using implied racism as a red herring AFTER the murder was exposed.
And all those burglaries?
Try this on for size: a Frank Taffe / George Zimmerman / Sanford Police Burglary Ring.
There have been other police burglary rings. There's the infamous Chicago North Side police burglary ring:
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http://gangresearch.net/GangResearch/Chicago/history/sumcontxt.htm
Read HipChick's thread about Frank Taffe's background:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=464806
Poor Trayvon may have been at the wrong place at the wrong time and George THOUGHT Trayvon saw things he didn't.
I hope the FBI is at least exploring this possibility.
On Edit:
I accept Solomon's objections to the tone of my original post and I added the "alone" qualifier. But I will stand by my gut feeling that racism alone doesn't fully explain the Sanford Police's actions. I sense desparation.
jehop61
(1,735 posts)that Zimmerman's father is a retired judge in the area and his mother was a translator for the courts. Does anyone have more info on that? If true, that explains the reason for the coverup as much as racism does. One back scratching the other and the "good ole boys" network.
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)No Zimmerman drug tests
No Zimmerman powder tests
No Zimmerman charges
They tried to tamper with witness statements
Zimmerman keeps the gun
Kind of sticking your neck WAY out there for a favor.
EFerrari
(163,986 posts)when a black victim has been attacked? Have you seen the tape of the cop's son attacking the black homeless man? It's short and vicious. That was under the last chief.
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)but if this were JUST rascism, I would expect that a least a cursory investigation would have been done to keep up appearances. That's how the other SYG cases I've heard of were handled.
But hiding the corpse for three days while you get your story straight. Sending the perp home with his gun and no tests? Can you point to where THAT was done before?
EFerrari
(163,986 posts)It took a month for the chief's son to be forced to turn himself in.
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Also Monday morning, acting chief Capt. Jerry Hargrett said at a public meeting that the officer's son, Justin Collison, 21, should have been arrested a month ago, the night he is accused of punching the homeless man.Sanford police questioned Collison and put him in the back of a patrol car but did not handcuff or arrest him.
A video shot by a witness Dec. 4 shows Collison attacking Sherman Ware outside a downtown bar and then walking away and punching another man.
The Police Department began an internal investigation last week after the video, uploaded to YouTube, was featured in the local news.
http://www.wsbt.com/news/crime/os-sanford-police-homeless-attack-20110103,0,4316304.story
Your guess is a good one. There is SOMETHING going on in that department.
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)When I read HipChick's post, I initially thought it crossed the line, but the more I thought about it, the more sense it made.
As I said, I hope the FBI is exploring police corruption as well as a hate crime.
BTW: Have you seen this?
http://www.policymic.com/articles/5824/a-closer-look-at-sanford-police-and-chief-bill-lee-in-trayvon-martin-case/latest_articles
EFerrari
(163,986 posts)And that means, looking at all three cases. On the other hand, that's asking the blind to lead the lame.
Ecumenist
(6,086 posts)America, Junk. They don't even pretend. Do you realise how often that has happened to people of color in this country...Really? ain't nothing new about this. You're giving them far too much credit. This is why it's so horrible and why many black communities has learned not to trust the police at all.
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)But I'm having a hard time thinking even Bill Lee would try to hide a murder with only racism as a motive. This smacks of desperation. Arrogance and racism would be to twist the law in the racist's favor.
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)[div class='excerpt']The next morning, when he woke up, Tracy realized that Trayvon had not returned home. "I started making calls, and I reached my nephew," Martin says. "He said he hadn't seen Trayvon. Then I really started getting worried. So I called the Sheriff's department to file a missing persons report. I let them know it hadn't been 24 hours, but it was unusual for Trayvon not to return home."
Three police cars soon pulled up and a detective asked Tracy for a recent picture of his son. "I had one on my phone, so I showed it to him," Tracy says, his voice tightening. "He told me he was going to show me a photo and ask if it was my son. He pulled out a photo of Trayvon's dead body. And the nightmare began."
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)SANFORD, Florida (Isabelle Zehnder reporting) The Sanford Police Department's handling of the shooting death of Trayvon Martin is under intense scrutiny, and many say rightfully so.
There appear to be many glaring errors on the part of the police department including, his parents say, the fact that police failed to identify their son more quickly.
Trayvon was reported missing by his mother, yet his body was left in the morgue for three days classified as John Doe, ABC News reports. This report conflicts with an interview PEOPLE did with Trayvon's father, Tracy Martin - see below.
According to the ABC News article, the family said officers didnt bother to ask neighbors if they recognized Trayvon, who had been staying with his father who lives in the neighborhood where he was shot.
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http://www.examiner.com/unsolved-cases-in-national/trayvon-martin-morgue-3-days-as-john-doe-after-mom-reported-him-missing
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)"It is unclear why ABC News reported that Trayvon's body was left in the morgue for three days, classified as "John Doe."
The ABC News article doesn't mention Martin's mother as reporting him missing, either.
I tend to believe his actual father, not an unattributed statement (that doesn't actually say what the article claims.)
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)I'm saying it's still in dispute.
Why do you find it necessary to insult? Do you think that helps?
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)The headline is a bit more strident than the body. And it is examiner.com, so I tend to squint at them a bit harder than an actual news source.
And more than one paper has said that Tracy was Trayvon's mother (which is where I expect the examiner 'writer' got the 'mother' from).
eta: Tracy is Trayvon's father in case it wasn't clear.
Life Long Dem
(8,582 posts)But she was persistent and after trying to contact the police twice, three days later the cops contact her and take her story in detail. And then they still ignored what she had to say.
Interview with witness of Sanford teen shooting death
http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/interview-with-witness-of-sanford-teen-shooting/vGYPW/
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)Think traffic court. Not sure he had many strings to pull (or not very hard.)
Ecumenist
(6,086 posts)history and ethnicity. You see, I am a black woman and half my family comes from the deep South. My mother;s side comes from Oklahoma and Texas. I grew up being taught and warned by the elders in my family based on their experiences and then learning from my own. My GGrandfather was Irish, (the local bigots call him"the white N*gger) and his wife was black as a moonlesss night, a gorgeous woman with high cheekbones, epicanthal folds, -she literally looked like an asian woman carved from ebony and kinky hair to midcalf. My Greatpa Will was grundgingly respected and on warm civil terms with many of the local government-ie, the mayor, the sheriff etc.
In about 1910/1911, the local Night Riders, (KKK), decided that my GGrandparents had too much and they were going to put them in their place. My grandfather was wealthy by the standard of the day, whether that standard was black, white, blue or polyester and that would never do for the neighborhood idiots. He had a Rice Mill and hundreds of acres as well as thousands of head of Longhorns and god know how many other chickens, pigs, etc. My family caught wind of their impending visit and planned to wait for their "visit" with shotguns loaded with rock salt in the huge oaks leading up to the property. The Klowns showed up and my GGrandfather and his 6 sons started target practice on their rearends. They didn't want to kill them, if they could avoid it, because of the very good chacne that a lynching party would show up. They just wanted to left alone.
The KKK hadn't expected that reaction and hightailed it out of their as fast as their horses, mules, camels, tricycles and whatever else they were riding would carry them. The next morning, Greatpa went into town to talk to the sheriff and whomever else he could regarding the previous night's events. When they got into town, imagine my grandfather's anger and disgust when he saw alot of the white men that he "THOUGHT" he could trust limping and/or bandaged with slings, including the mayor, the Sheriff and his deputies, a couple of the pastors..In fact, he said that he didn't see ONE WHITE MAN IN THAT TINY TOWN that didn't have some evidence of being on his property that night before. the most galling thing is that he spoke with and shared a glass or two with some of these men on the regular.
No, We as people of color understand that sometimes, NOT ALWAYS and much less often nowadays, the people who protect those who have a lighter, more European complexion and although they take an oath to do the same for all members of the community, WE know and are raised to understand that many times, we are considered suspicious because we wear a skin that puts us at risk of committing crime.
In the early 80's, my family and I moved up to a suburb in Sacramento county and were in the process of moving into OUR newly completed home. While we were unloading boxes, a car turned onto the court and drove VERY slowly past. Made us a bit nervuos at first because we were from LA. Because it was a Court, it was EXTREMELY obvious when the car drove off the court went down the block and drove back. It turned out to be an older white woman and she was giving us the stink eye, while writing down the licence plate number. about an hour later, the local sheriff stopped by to ask what we were doing there..WTF??!! My parents explained that we were moving into OUR HOME.
Oh no, although there are countless instances of police corruption for crime's sake, there innumerable instances of being illegally black in America. It's not anecdotal, imaginary or conspiratorial...IT'S A FACT.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)Solomon
(12,319 posts)It never ends Even when there's a videotape and now audiotapes full of fucking coons and a kid screaming for a good 30 to 40 seconds, its not racism. Nope.
This whole fucking country is just broken.
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)If I left the impression that there's not racism running throughout the story, I apologize.
EFerrari
(163,986 posts)Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)First, Stanford is a central Florida crime hot spot (consistent with the burlary ring notion):
(Note: Higher means more crime)
Sanford: 559.1
Midway: 29.7
Lake Mary: 123.6
Winter Springs: 109.0
Oviedo: 169.1
Longwood: 324.0
Casselberry: 397.2
Altamonte Springs: 277.0
Orange City: 729.7
http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Sanford-Florida.html#ixzz1q9xbjNOH
And then there's this:
Sanford Police said they've solved more than a dozen burglaries from the past two years with one arrest.
As WFTV's Mary Nguyen reports, police used DNA to link a homeless man to most of the crimes.
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He is accused of stealing at least $4,000 worth of property from the church alone. Investigators said they believe he sold the items at pawn shops.
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Investigators said they believe Cauthen kept leaving blood samples behind because he was always breaking windows and cutting himself.
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http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/police-homeless-man-culprit-14-sanford-burglaries/nHQg8/
How Convienient
More on the accused:
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Investigators say Cauthen is suspected of stealing $4,000.00 worth of property from a Sanford church in the Georgetown area. Most of the items have been found and returned to the church. Police also say Cauthen is suspected of stealing at least $10,000.00 worth of property not including damages to vehicles and homes caused during the burglaries.
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http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/seminole_news/013112-homeless-man-charged-with-burglaries#ixzz1qA3Gq1go
Crimes pinned on a homeless black man who left DNA evidence at every crime scene. I'd never have guessed that.
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)and who is charged with Accessory After the Fact to Murder?
To quote Rowan Atkinson, It's a Race: