Here it is. Treyvon likely jumped Zimmerman, as he exited and pursued him.

[WingDinger]

And, the claim will be, Zimmerman, was retreating to his car. that he wanted no part of any hostility, after stalking Treyvon. That he was at that time, justified in using lethal force. Here's the rub. If a guy was stalking you, got out to pursue on foot, and was headed back to his car the first sign you will beat his stalker ass, what pray tell, would you expect for him to retrieve? A WEAPON. DUH. When Zimmerman strove for his vehicle, Treyvon thought this his life. As would I. Would you allow such an individual to reach their car and HEAT?

Likely, Zimmerman was an inept mall cop. Cept he packs heat. States where packing heat is status quo, are paranoid, and ill considering the ramifications. And the far right, will justify anything, to keep the heat off of firearm willy nilly.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

1. Huh? nt

[WingDinger]

5. If Treyvon exited his vehicle, pursued treyvon, was caught unawares by Treyvon

and judging Zimmerman to mean him harm, started to beat Zimmerman's ass. Then, he tried to get to his vehicle. Thus, the right wing thinks this proof, that Zimmerman just wanted to get along. That now, no matter what the original stalking scenario, Zimmerman is justified in blowing a hole thru Treyvon. That Treyvon is some kind of tough. On a detention tear. That Treyvon, in pursuing Zimmerman towards his car, is the capital offense.

I am saying, that any fool, that exited his vehicle, after following me, and stalking me on foot, will get incapacitated fast. And if he tries to head for his car in any wild fashion, as I deck him, will be judged as a dash for a weapon. AND THAT IS RATIONAL.

Zimmerman is a dumbass who feels powerless, so he seeks vengeance. The right will make any story to stop all scrutiny of weapon ownership.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

7. Errr.. was Zimmerman being pursued by the murdered child?

NOT.

End of story. Nothing else need be discussed.

[WingDinger]

13. You and we all had better be ready to discuss it.

What if it turns out bad, for justice? If treyvon deservedly caught this stalker? If that is true, the defense changes, and must.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

14. What is it that worries you about this whole thing? Perhaps you need to explain your concern here.

What exactly worries you? Explain.

[WingDinger]

16. That we be caught flat footed by the investigation. That we have to backpeddle, for not looking ahea

ahead. This case is big, changing status quo big. and the right will sieze any chance, to save cowboy weapon states from any restrictions.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

17. I think you need to relax, watch some TV for a while, a sit-com, a funny movie

Stop worrying so much. If this murderer had a broken nose, the attorney would NOT be saying, "I believed my client had a broken nose." The atty is full of shit, but desperately trying to defend his murderer of a client.

[WingDinger]

19. Sorry, I have read the most horrendous descriptions of Treyvon as thug, street tough, those type etc

by freeper types.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

22. That might be your problem - you take freeper lies seriously. Don't!

The one thing freepers do best is lie.

[Th1onein]

24. But we need not discuss something that is not a FACT!

You are making no sense, or you have not read the story in any depth at all. This hypothetical situation you pose did NOT happen, give the facts that we DO know. So why even pose it?

[slackmaster]

2. Call me crazy, but I'd be running AWAY from someone who I thought was getting a weapon

[WingDinger]

9. If you have his person stopped, there will be no weapon, would be your hope.

[alcibiades_mystery]

3. Dumb post

Stop drinking.

[WingDinger]

6. NO. I am addressing the likely truth of an investigation. Given the available evidence.

This is how it is looking.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

8. It's looking that way to you. nt

[WingDinger]

10. If there is any merit to Zimmerman having head wounds, and a broken nose, then yes absolutely.

All I am saying is, be ready for complications. And even if Treyvon beat down the guy that stalked him by vehicle, then was pursued on foot, he was just as justified as anyone. Zimmerman, in doing his mall cop routine, MUST submit to all culpability for his actions. Those initiated by him, and all proceeding.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

11. Apparently his atty says he "believes" his client's nose was broken - last I checked...

either a nose was broken, or it wasn't. There was no faith or belief involved in a broken nose.

[JDPriestly]

27. Let's say that Zimmerman followed Trayvon, Trayvon ran away (as Zimmerman stated

in his call to 911). Zimmerman, after all, was bigger than Trayvon, and Trayvon as far as we know at this point, had no record of getting into fights. Zimmerman obeyed the request of the officer on 911 and headed for his truck. Somehow Trayvon who was running away from Zimmerman decided to turn and start a fight with Zimmerman.

Is that believable to you? It certainly isn't to me based on the facts I know. We shall see what a jury thinks.

I just don't think a small guy whose first instinct was to run (according to Zimmerman at the scene) would suddenly change his mind and pick a fight with a big guy. Being a small person, that makes utterly no sense to me. As for who was on top and who was on the bottom in the struggle, the only thing that really matters is that one had a gun, put his finger on the trigger and pulled it. One ended up dead; the other did not.

But, there may be facts we do not now know, so a jury will have to decide this. I can't believe that the police did not arrest and charge Zimmerman.

A jury might decide that Zimmerman's murder of Trayvon was justifiable homicide, but it is doubtful based on what I heard on the 911 calls.

Also, a lot will depend on what evidence is admitted at trial. That will be a big issue here.

[alcibiades_mystery]

12. Pfffft

You're speculating wildly while drinking. It doesn't lead to anything worthwhile.

[Ruby the Liberal]

20. Didn't agree at first, but yep.

Think you may have nailed this one.

[WingDinger]

23. Watched the eyewitness, and feel much calmer now, thanks. Dumb post is SO twenty minutes ago.

But much of what I thought is still correct.

[Ruby the Liberal]

4. Paul Blart, Mall Cop?

Seriously - check out this eyewitness interview: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002467865#post1

Lady's unit is in a U-shape with units across from her and to her right. No automobile access. The argument/fight took place at the end of the U (where a car could be), but Trayvon was killed in her back yard - which is pedestrian access only. OP has the images of the location, this link is to the eyewitness account.

Things just get worse for Mr. Killerman by the minute.

[WingDinger]

15. I dont have enough info to surmise on locations. Just that there was known physical contact.

[Ruby the Liberal]

18. Well, you could try the provided linkage

Or just run with your 'info'.

Whatever floats that boat.

[RBInMaine]

21. Zimmerman was well out of his vehicle and the confrontation was behind the apartments. So,

Zimmerman can't argue that. He FOLLOWED Trayvon on foot as Trayvon was walking back to his father's apartment and was within a hundred yards of it. Zimmerman is an egomaniacal cop wannabe who wanted to catch a burglar and make a name for himself. Didn't work out that way did it.

[BootinUp]

25. Well...I thought Trayvons girl friend indicated he was talking to her by phone when

Zimmerman approached him, doesn't seem at all that Trayvon initiated the confrontation or the physical attack. More like Zimmerman tried to manhandle him, Trayvon resisted, and Zimmerman was carrying the gun on him and used it.

[JDPriestly]

26. Well, a trial will clear up the confusion won't it?

That's why Zimmerman needs to be charged with an appropriate degree of homicide, the prosecutor needs to bring the evidence supporting conviction, and the jury needs to decide what really happened. That's our system.