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An internal skirmish over intelligence does little to help the American people come to terms to the torture done in their names by their government
New reporting by the New York Times' Mark Mazzetti on Saturday, however, offers the fullest picture so far about how the senate investigators stumbled upon a previously unknown internal CIA review of the torture program and how in the aftermath of that discoverywhich the CIA considered 'unauthorized'it set up a way to place the investigators themselves under surveillance.
Explosive charges surfaced earlier this week that President Obama, in fact, knew that the CIA had put the Senate investigators under watch but did nothing to stop it.
According to Mazzetti:
At the center of the dispute is the classified internal C.I.A. review of the detention and interrogation program, a review that Democratic senators believe buttresses the conclusion in the intelligence committees 6,300-page report that the program yielded little valuable intelligence.
The story of how the internal review became the focal point of an escalating fight is based on interviews with more than a dozen current and former government officials on both sides of the battle. Most of them declined to be identified because of the continuing investigations.
The story of how the internal review became the focal point of an escalating fight is based on interviews with more than a dozen current and former government officials on both sides of the battle. Most of them declined to be identified because of the continuing investigations.
On the specifics of the Senate investigation and the memos reviewed, he explains:
Some people who have read the review memos said that parts of them were particularly scorching in their analysis of extreme interrogation methods like waterboarding, which the memos described as providing little intelligence of any value. The committee investigators set to work, spending hours each day in the windowless basement of a nondescript building that advertised itself as a C.I.A. office by the cluster of marked C.I.A. police cars guarding the front.
The room designated for the staff, called the electronic reading room, was a spartan office with tables and computers set against the walls and a large conference table in the middle.
Early in the investigation, thousands of files were loaded into the database, and the committee staff members pored over the material.
According to a recent court filing in a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit, the C.I.A. created a network share drive segregated from the main agency network, a provision intended to allow the committee to work in private.
The room designated for the staff, called the electronic reading room, was a spartan office with tables and computers set against the walls and a large conference table in the middle.
Early in the investigation, thousands of files were loaded into the database, and the committee staff members pored over the material.
According to a recent court filing in a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit, the C.I.A. created a network share drive segregated from the main agency network, a provision intended to allow the committee to work in private.
Somewhere along the line, the investigators found something, however, they did not know existed: an internal reivew, now being called the "Panetta Review" because it was ordered by then CIA Chief Leon Panetta, appointed by Obama.
It is unclear how or when committee investigators obtained parts of the Panetta review. One official said that they had penetrated a firewall inside the C.I.A. computer system that had been set up to separate the committees work area from other agency digital files, but exactly what happened will not be known until the Justice Department completes its inquiry.
Several officials said that the C.I.A. never intended to give the internal memos to the Senate, partly under the justification that they were draft documents intended for the C.I.A. director and therefore protected under executive privilege authorities.
Several officials said that the C.I.A. never intended to give the internal memos to the Senate, partly under the justification that they were draft documents intended for the C.I.A. director and therefore protected under executive privilege authorities.
With the DOJ now investigating claims of misbehavior or breach of boundaries on both sides, the possible outcomes remain unclear.
One thing, however, worth noting that both the CIA and the Senate Intelligence Committee members agree on when it comes to how the U.S. government used torture and prolonged detention without charge as formal policy: the public has no right to know.
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As CIA Fights w/ Senate Panel Over Torture, Public Left in Dark (Original Post)
KoKo
Mar 2014
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Octafish
(55,745 posts)1. Wouldn't it be great if, like, We the People were, you know, trusted?
I mean, most people are criminals, obviously, going by what our Betters in Government have uncovered, sexting and everything, but some of us could be, promoted to positions of low-level authority. Whaddyasay, Big Brother?
Rex
(65,616 posts)4. The CIA has every right to be paranoid.
Never know when they will have to pull another Bay of Pigs. Someone might suggest shutting them down again.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)5. Let's compare. On the one side...
Pentagon. State Department. FBI. CIA. NSA. NRO and all the rest of the Intelligence Community.
vs.
Sen. Udall and you don't think he's not thinking about Don Siegelman or Ted Westhusing?
Rex
(65,616 posts)6. Any politician worth his or her salt should be terrified at what happen to Siegelman
cuz it could happen to THEM too! Use to just happen to us little people. As for Ted...always makes me go back to Tillman's murder.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)3. Kick...this is a Constitutional Power Struggle...Will Congress Cave?