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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIs it possible to get an abortion for a dog?
My brother (who has anger management issues) is getting grief from a lady whose poodle his dog managed to get pregnant after an incident at the dog enclosure at the local park.
The poodle is two to three weeks pregnant. Getting her spayed is not an option, apparently, as she has breeding potential. As he is a bigger dog delivering the puppies normally would kill the poodle (so I'm told) so the dog would have to have a c section which she says we should pay for. The lady also insists that we are responsible for the puppies, which I think is bullshit. It takes two to tango.
The internet gives conflicting answers on this. I can't think why it wouldnt be possible though. I am happy to pay half just to see the end of the matter.
montanacowboy
(6,101 posts)depending on gestation, other health issues of bitch
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)Is it called a D & C the same with a human abortion? I went to a vet but he insisted that it couldn't be done.
JJChambers
(1,115 posts)No more, no less. He should also get half the puppies (if he wants them).
BainsBane
(53,069 posts)What did she think was going to happen? Your brother, however, needs to get his dog neutered.
I don't know how I feel about the doggy abortion or who pays for it. I just think the woman has a responsibility to look after her own pet, as your brother does for his.
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)and so it cannot be spayed. My brother's dog is a Dutch shepherd that is used for security work and thus it cannot be neutered.
Personally, I think it was a stupid decision on the part of the woman to take a bitch in heat to a dog park.
Violet_Crumble
(35,977 posts)Expecting yr brother to pay for her stupidity also falls into the stupidity category. Yr brother's not under any legal or moral obligation to pay because she's stupid enough to take a bitch in heat to a dog park. Anyone who wanted to use their dog for breeding wouldn't do that, so she's likely just making that up about wanting to breed her dog...
BainsBane
(53,069 posts)Last edited Sat Mar 8, 2014, 11:04 PM - Edit history (1)
The dogs are running around and start to get into it, and then what? No one can stop them?
You're right about her exercising poor judgment brining the dog to the park. Obviously male dogs are going to come after a bitch in heat. Good lord. We had a dog go into heat when I was a kid and I remember all the neighborhood male dogs hanging around looking in the windows. Huge ones, little ones, all sizes.
Actually your brother's dog shouldn't be at the park either. Being fixed is generally a requirement. Unneutered male dogs are generally more aggressive, which I'm guessing is why he can't be neutered for security work. I hadn't realized that was necessary.
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)When a male dog puts his erection inside a bitch the base of his penis swells until it is tennis ball sized or larger, locking him inside the bitch (its called being tied) until he is finished breeding her, which takes about twenty minutes. Its impossible to separate them once this happens.
Its an education for me as well. Seems dogs have much better sex than we do.
BainsBane
(53,069 posts)copulating. Some time later, two dogs were at it in our yard (this was before leash laws), I ran out with a pail of water and dumped it on the dogs. My mom asked, "what are you doing?" I said "Mr. So and so did it. I thought that's what you were supposed to do." She said just let the dogs be. After that, I didn't throw any more pails of water on dogs.
pnwmom
(108,995 posts)Q: My dog is a guard dog. If I spay or neuter him, will that stop him from protecting my house?
A: Spaying or neutering is not going to affect your dogs desire or ability to protect your home or protect you. Guard dogs are trained to be guard dogs. Their behavior is a function of genetics or instinct, environment, and training.
Many, many police canine units spay or neuter their dogs. Theres no correlation between spaying or neutering an animal and its ability to protect you.
But people also need to understand that unless their dog has been trained to be a guard dog, it isnt a guard dog. Most dogs are naturally protective, but if you truly need a dog for protection, and your dog isnt trained, youre at risk.
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)something like 90% at least. I suspect that they have a few female dogs and neutered dogs for the usual political correctness reasons.
Maybe an option would be to get a vasectomy, I presume that they can do those for dogs?
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)Prostaglandin F2 alpha - This is a natural hormone that has shown to induce a safe abortion for pets when monitored by a health professional. Most side effects are often mild, if present at all. Some of the drug's known side effects include panting, trembling, nausea and diarrhea.
Dexamethasone - This is also a viable option to induce an abortion for pets. The injection is usually followed by such side effects as panting, excessive drinking (polydispia) and urination (polyuria).
http://www.petmd.com/dog/conditions/reproductive/c_dg_abortion_termination_of_pregnancy?page=2
It doesn't mention a time limit on inducing the abortion, so they need to contact a vet now. It could already be too late.
IMO, both parties are at fault. An unspayed female should be protected while in heat; not allowed to be loose anywhere. Your brother's dog should be neutered and should not be allowed to be loose anywhere until he has been.
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)But again, neither dog should have been allowed loose at a dog park or any other public place.
Both parties were looking for trouble. Intact males are more aggressive. Aside from getting loose females in heat pregnant, they can and do start fights.
Instead of wasting time and energy fighting, they should have immediately worked out an agreement to split abortion costs.
Both parties are acting irresponsibly. And the longer they drag it out, the more at risk they put the poodle.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)pure bred puppies for this poodle....
BainsBane
(53,069 posts)None of the rest can be purebred?
So if this woman is a breeder, why is she leaving her unsprayed dog unattended with male dogs? Seems to me she's not taking responsibility for her own pet.
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)The dogs werent unattended. Both my brother and the lady were in the enclosure. He ran straight over to her, she presented herself to him, and then they were at it hammer and tongs. The lady tried to separate them but they were tied pretty good. Then my brother and the lady got into a public slanging match and someone called the police.
Its the ugliest poodle I have ever seen in my view. Very little breeding potential as far as I can see.
BainsBane
(53,069 posts)Bitch in heat, male dog--it's gonna happen. Any so-called breeder would know that. Poodles are a dime a dozen. It's not like it's some rare breed. Sounds to me like she is full of it.
As Violet noted, I doubt he has any legal responsibility. If he wants to placate her, he could offer to pay half of the abortion or maternity expenses, but I wouldn't do more than that.
Mariana
(14,860 posts)Lost_Count
(555 posts)Doremus
(7,261 posts)Both parties are equally responsible for the consequences of their actions, or inaction in this case (failure to take precautions with unaltered dogs).
Mariana
(14,860 posts)I had no idea dog reproduction was completely different that that of other mammals.
gaspee
(3,231 posts)It does not ruin her being able to make pure bred puppies - someone is too ignorant to even think about breeding dogs.
Mariana
(14,860 posts)Having one mixed litter does not in any way change the genetic makeup of subsequent litters. All it does it reduces the number of pure bred (IE valuable) puppies a bitch can have in her lifetime. A wasted litter.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Still her fault.
I don't understand people always thinking they'll breed their dogs maybe someday. If you're a breeder, you're a breeder.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)Journeyman
(15,039 posts)I don't know all the ins and outs of such a situation but it seems she was the irresponsible one.
It'd be one thing if your brother didn't take precautions to ensure his dog stayed in its yard, allowed it to freely roam about, and it got into this woman's yard then got it on with the poodle.
But for the woman to bring her dog -- primed and ready -- to a dog-filled park, with a fence around so it couldn't get away, then turned it loose among the canine hoi-polloi . . . damn, it seems the height of chutzpah for her now to claim affront.
I believe I'd take my chances in small claims court.
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)If you don't want your dog to get bred then don't take it to a dog park while its in heat or live with the consequences. Pretty simple really.
The bitch didn't even try to get away. Amazing how quickly she presented herself to him, it was on for young and old before anyone could even react.
whathehell
(29,091 posts)which might explain her intellectual limits regarding her own supposed "breeding potential".
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)Bitches in heat want to have sex with other dogs. This is getting ridiculous, it wasn't as if our dog raped her.
whathehell
(29,091 posts)so why would anyone bother to expect her to "try and get away"?
undeterred
(34,658 posts)Can I see your papers first? I want to make sure we're compatible
whathehell
(29,091 posts)Exactly..
BainsBane
(53,069 posts)I know I've heard that somewhere before.
Of course she didn't try to get away - my two in season right now are flagging each other and presenting to each other. It's what they do.
Captain Stern
(2,201 posts)I'd take my chances in small claims court too. The Poodle owner is the one that made the mistake. After all, dogs will be dogs.
Seems like somebody that is seriously invested in their dog's breeding potential would have at least a basic understanding of how their dog's reproductive systems work. A good rule if you don't want your female dog to get pregnant: Keep her away from male dogs when she's in heat.
Vinnie From Indy
(10,820 posts)females in heat.
Depending on the woman's attitude, I would either offer to pay half or tell her piss off and I will see her in court.
GreenEyedLefty
(2,073 posts)I never, ever bring my dogs to dog parks. Not even the retired ones. I would never bring a dog I was currently showing to a dog park - but I won't even bring the retired ones. People are not responsible with their dogs at the dog park, from what I've observed. Too dangerous to even try.
BainsBane
(53,069 posts)Last edited Sun Mar 9, 2014, 09:28 AM - Edit history (1)
but I wouldn't bring an unfixed dog to the park. I know I refused to bring my cousin's dog to the park before he was neutered. I just knew it would be trouble.
Dog parks are usually full of people with rescue dogs, throwing balls, rolling in the mud, doing dog stuff. It's not a show dog kind of scene.
gaspee
(3,231 posts)But that they are Shiba Inu and while they are OK with most dogs, rude dogs set them off and they will try to teach it manners - which is not good in a park situation.
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)can produce unwanted puppies with any female dogs who are willing (and obviously intact themselves) that he encounters. Theoretically this could result in many "accidents." This is why thousands of puppies end up being euthanized every year in the US (HBO was even showing a documentary about this recently -- so many puppies are dumped at shelters, then euthanized -- it is so irresponsible and heartbreaking).
Honestly I just don't even understand why people are so irresponsible with their animals. The woman was obviously putting her "breeding potential" poodle in a very bad position (tee hee -- sorry) but the owner of the male dog is being very irresponsible to allow the male to wander around at the dog park or anywhere else where this sort of thing is going to happen.
The expenses should be shared evenly as both parties are at fault.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)both parties are equally (ir)responsible. Intact dogs should not be allowed loose in public, period.
smokey nj
(43,853 posts)seveneyes
(4,631 posts)Either one or both owners need to pay up.
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)from a technical point of view, rather than arguing abortion politics as it applies to dogs.
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)However, the drugs/procedures/checkups will cost money, and someone(s) will need to pay the bills.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)Beyond the injections, the other options are...messier...and present health risks. They are generally frowned upon to the point that most vets will not perform them and they are not approved procedures of professional societies of vetinary medicine.
Dopamine agonists are effective in terminating canine pregnancy only after about 25 days of gestation. Like PGF, they require repeated treatment and commonly induce vomition and inappetence.
Epostane: This drug inhibits steroid hormone synthesis by inhibiting the enzyme that converts pregnenolone to progesterone. It has been shown to terminate pregnancy in dogs after a 7 day treatment and appears to have this effect throughout gestation. Further, adverse side effects in dogs have not been been reported.
Mifepristone (RU486): This well-known drug acts as a progesterone antagonist. Small clinical trials have demonstrated that his drug is very effective in terminating canine pregnancy after 25-30 days of gestation, and without apparent adverse effects.
http://arbl.cvmbs.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/reprod/petpop/terminate.html
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)That was what I was looking for. It appears that epostane may be the best option. I will raise this with the vet.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)pnwmom
(108,995 posts)shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)I think she'd been waiting for this moment a long time. An old guy with a jack Russell said: "I've never seen a bitch lift her tail so quickly. You've got a real hussy on your hands there."
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)BainsBane
(53,069 posts)Too much. Dogs in heat copulate. It's a given. There is no mystery involved.
Silent3
(15,267 posts)There's a kind of symmetry.
Warpy
(111,342 posts)I don't think you can be held liable because she was stupid enough to go to a dog park with a dog in heat. Dogs don't have a choice in this matter, they have to screw and you can lose a hand if you try to stop them.
Her stupidity caused this. It's her problem. Abortion is usually done as part and parcel of spaying an animal.
ETA: Please consider neutering your dog, also. It will avoid more such problems in the future.
Redford
(373 posts)I would tell her to pound sand. I also think taking in tact dogs to a dog park is irresponsible behavior.
JVS
(61,935 posts)shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)gaspee
(3,231 posts)DNA test the puppies.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)Hello?
I would demand proof of paternity before giving her any money.
gaspee
(3,231 posts)But, they do a spay at the same time.
gaspee
(3,231 posts)Did she have a bitch in season at the dog park to begin with????
I have two bitches in season right now (both champion showdogs) and they are on total lockdown. No one in their right mind would bring a bitch in season to an off leash dog park
In my opinon (been breeding, showing and rescuing dogs for 20 years) she is the one responsible for her girl. The bitch owner handles the management of the bitch, period.
That's how it's done in responsible circles - and it sounds like she is not a responsible owner.
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)It seems as though the bitch would have to be spayed or undergo a caesarean. Costs either way. We don't really want to get stuck with the puppies either, or even half of them.
Since the police got called it has become an embarrassment for our family as well. People keep asking my brother if he has to pay child support and that sort of of thing.
gaspee
(3,231 posts)Her fault, period. You do not bring a bitch in season anywhere where there might be males. Hell, he should counter-sue for a stud fee if she tries to take it that far. Stud fees in my breed range 1200-2500
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)Golly that's pretty high. Even the horse stud owner up the road only charges $1000 (he has a sign out the front calling himself "The Horse Pimperer" and I thought that was a pretty sweet gig.
gaspee
(3,231 posts)Is for a dual registered (AKC and Nippo) ranked showdog who has his CHIC number and is a proven producer of quality puppies.
Low end for a plain CH with his CHIC number.
CHIC number is given to dogs who have all of the required health testing (and results registered) for their breed. Different breeds have different requirements.
gaspee
(3,231 posts)A totally different story if she were in her own yard. Then it's all on him.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)What did she want them to do?
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)I think the exchange went something like this:-
I thought your dog was fixed
I thought your dog was fixed. This is a pedigree show dog. I was intending to have her bred.
Ah well then, mission accomplished. Glad I could help.
F*** you. Why isn't your dog fixed? I can report you to the council for not desexing your dog if you're not a breeder.
F*** you lady. He's a working dog so he needs his nuts. Its not my fault your slapper dog can't keep her legs together.
Then someone's kid started crying.
Then someone called the police.
The police arrived to find a crowd of people standing around the two people and the two dogs still in the act of coitus. They tried not to laugh.
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)to pay half of the expenses. There was a case like this in our neighborhood and the parties were required to split the expenses (there was no dog abortion in this case). This exchange sounds rather -- well, immature for two adults at a dog park who should have been monitoring their dogs. Both are at fault for this situation. The woman should not have had her poodle there in heat but obviously allowing an intact male dog to be in any situation like this is equally irresponsible. The problem is that this could and likely will happen again as long as the male dog is not fixed.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)Even if this were a case of her bitch in heat escaping her property and somehow becoming impregnated by an intact male it's still her sole responsibility. Because she was the one to take her bitch in heat into a dog park where she knew there would be other males which might be intact and without providing her bitch with bitch diapers so that if she was mounted penetration couldn't occur it is even more her responsibility as she was incredibly negligent with her intact bitch.
Such irresponsibility also begs the question of what intact male was the one that was able to impregnate her dog. What OTHER intact males also came into contact with her bitch in heat whether on that day or any other day while the bitch was in heat? Female dogs are in heat for weeks. She doesn't even have any way to prove that the dog she believes is the one that impregnated her bitch actually was that dog.
She has no leg to stand on. It's her dog, and her responsibility that it not become impregnated if that was not her wish. All of her negligent actions concerning her dog becoming pregnant only enforce that. Any resulting pups are also her ownership and sole responsibility since she is the owner of the dog that was capable of becoming pregnant and delivering pups. Accidental pregnancies are always the responsibility of the person that owns the bitch as well as the ownership and responsibility of any resulting pups.
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)that is embarrassingly naive, on my part. (Since you're a breeder, I'm sure you know. ) Do males dogs even go after females that are not in heat?
gaspee
(3,231 posts)Though, my intact male is going after my 10 year old spayed female because the other girls are in heat and they did have puppies together years ago.
If they do, it's normally about dominance, not sex.
They won't even go after a girl who is in heat if she is not receptive - it's called standing season and it's when the girl "flags" the male signalling she's entered the fertile range of her season.
They will try to keep other males away and inexperienced males may go after a female who is not ready, but the girl might take his face off if she is not ready.
OwnedByCats
(805 posts)You wouldn't believe the amount of altered dogs that hump each other. I've seen males humping females, males humping males - and vice versa (yes, females can sometimes exhibit this behavior). Under those circumstances, it's more to do with dominance and the like. There is no "contact" with the gentitalia really though, so it's just them going through the motions.
Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)OwnedByCats
(805 posts)lift their legs to pee as well so your dogs are not alone! lol
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)however, i do think, taking a bitch in heat is literally the dumbest thing i have heard today. I think you should take your chances in small claims court.
flvegan
(64,416 posts)Why are the parents forcing her to have an abortion?
I kind of kid, kind of don't. What is the bigger dog such that the puppies would kill the poodle (that's an almost humorous thing to say).
I'm also with others here on this. Who the hell brings an intact dog to a dog park, nevermind one in heat.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)After all, she's a breeder, she should know these things. If I were your brother, I would tell her too bad so sad.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)section unless she had been to the vet? And if she has been to the vet, then why wasn't the dog given shots already?
Tell her she's responsible for bringing her dog, in heat, to a dog park. Let her prove to a small claims court that the poodle had "breeding potential."
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)I'm not saying she's a gold digger...
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)The more I consider what she's done and what she wants to do concerning an abortion is that she's clueless, never bothered to get her bitch spayed, discovered she got pregnant and just doesn't want the responsibility of medical care, birth and puppies she never wanted in the first place. This rubbish about the dog being doomed to death because of the size of the dog she THINKS impregnated her bitch is loony. Nature doesn't work that way... small breed dogs breed with larger breeds all the time and produce perfectly normal pups as nature will only allow size characteristics of the pups according to the size of the mother. Either that or nature will have her miscarry.
In any case, it's always the responsibility of the owner of the bitch to ensure it not become pregnant if that is what the owner's wish is. The dog is HER property, and she is the responsible party as to whether or not it is impregnated thereby also being responsible for her bitch's medical care and the resulting pups. Had she known her bitch was in heat and knew she didn't want any accidental pregnancy she would never have taken her bitch that was in heat to a no leash dog park where she knew there would likely be intact males.
She's just trying to scam this guy out of money so she doesn't have to spend her own in order to correct her own negligent and ignorant mistake. Boohoo for her.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)RebelOne
(30,947 posts)The dog had stitches and supposedly was spayed. My friend let her dog outside in the back of her house. Then she saw another dog on top of her dog. Shortly after, she found out the dog was pregnant. The vet performed an abortion on the dog.
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)BainsBane
(53,069 posts)What if the father of the baby poodle half-breeds is not your brother's dog but OSCAR?!!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=624815
KT2000
(20,588 posts)Yeah!!!
OwnedByCats
(805 posts)She brought an intact female in heat, your brother brought an intact male. You can't stop it from happening once it starts, and it starts mighty quickly.
I used to work in an environment where dogs played together in group play. Under no circumstances could there be intact males in the bunch, and no intact females that were presently in heat - even though all the males were neutered. It could still cause conflict amongst the dogs and we were all about avoiding fights.
Bringing any intact dog into a situation where there could be equally another person not thinking and bring their intact dog is a bad idea.
Your brother should go halves with her on this. There is no way he should be solely responsible for costs however, she needs to take responsibility too.
2banon
(7,321 posts)I've had it done to my great dane/st bernard back in 1980.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)The owner of the bitch is solely responsible for allowing it to come into contact with any intact males. She was the stupid one to take her bitch in heat to a no leash dog park in which the inevitable occurred. As a result she is now reaping what she sowed.
If she is concerned about whether or not her pregnant bitch will be able to safely birth the puppies that's her problem. Just because the male that impregnated her bitch is a larger breed doesn't mean that it will die because of too large puppies. Nature doesn't work that way. Smaller breed dogs have been birthing pups that were bred by larger breed dogs forever. The pups will just take on size characteristics that allow the bitch to carry and birth them or at some point she'll miscarry. The bitch is not doomed to death because of this pregnancy, and if this is really what the woman believed she would have made DAMN sure that her bitch was not coming into contact with any intact males and certainly not while the bitch was not wearing bitch diapers to ensure that should an accident happen like her bitch being able to escape her property and coming in contact with an intact male said intact male would not have been physically able to impregnate her.
The pups of the pregnant female are always the ownership and responsibility of the owner of the bitch. "It takes two to tango" is for humans, not dogs... dogs are legally property, and what comes out of one's property is the property of the person that owns that property that created more property. The only time this is different is when there is a co-ownership of a bitch in which there must be a contract that covers who gets what resulting pups. REAL breeders are smart enough to not allow their intact bitches any contact with intact males and before any purposeful breeding of a co-owned bitch contract the medical care and who gets what resulting pups and what can be done with them.
This woman has no business breeding her bitch since she obviously has no idea what she's doing, and the world doesn't need these ignorant backyard breeders. She owns the bitch, therefore, the bitch becoming pregnant is her own responsibility as well as any resulting pups. Tough shit for her.
As for your brother's intact male... it is really unwise to take in intact male dog to a dog park as intact males will naturally likely become aggressive toward any other males intact or not. If he has no intension of breeding his dog than he should have his dog neutered for its own health and well being and so that accidents like this one can't occur.
Don't worry about this woman's pregnant bitch. All of this is her own fault and her sole responsibility since she is the owner of the bitch and she is the one that allowing her bitch in heat to come into contact with an intact male and when she should have known that intact males would likely be at the dog park as well as not providing her bitch in heat with a physical barrier to ensure it could not become impregnated such as the bitch diapers.
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)Ultimately it comes down to self-help. There isnt much you can do to stop dogs from acting like dogs. I can't even blame the dog, its not like hes done anytime wrong.
Anyway, I will talk to the woman again and suggest one of the treatments above and if I can't talk her down I will tell her to shove it.
We wouldn't normally take a guard dog to a dog park but this dog has a brilliant temperament, you'd trust him to guard an eye fillet steak. This is pretty much the first thing he's done that wasn't on command, and he probably had his reasons.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)Whoever owns the bitch is solely responsible for it becoming pregnant but also owns any resulting pups. It's been that way for ages. That's the risk people take in owning intact female dogs. Normally, this isn't a problem for people with female breeders and they know they have to keep their bitches in heat away from intact males if they aren't willing to live with the results of an accidental breeding. Sometimes it just happens that no matter how careful one is a bitch in heat manages to escape the property and find an intact male to mate with. That's how their hormones are - bitches in heat WANT to mate at that time, and nature has their bodies put out tempting odors far and wide to let all intact males in the area to know where they are. And anyone that owns a female breeder would know this. This woman was just unbelievably irresponsible in taking her bitch in heat to a no leash dog park knowing that there may be other males there that were intact while providing no physical barrier for her bitch so that if she was mounted penetration wouldn't be possible. There's a reason these bitch diapers/barriers are made.
Going by what this woman did I really think that she's just not gotten around to having her bitch spayed, and is too ignorant to know that her bitch was in heat. Once she found out her bitch was pregnant she didn't want to deal with the medical care or the resulting pups. She's already so stupid that she thinks that the size of the male that MIGHT have impregnated her bitch would doom her to death.
She doesn't know if any other intact males may have impregnated her bitch. Heat lasts for weeks. The pregnancy could have happened with another dog and at an entirely different time. She just up and found her dog pregnant and is trying to scam your brother into forking over his funds for her to deal with it, and so doesn't want to deal with it that she came up with this ridiculous story that because the dog she knew mounted her bitch was a large breed the pups would kill her because she doesn't want to be responsible for the pregnancy care, birth and resulting pups and probably knowing she will own them and thus will be solely responsible for them. Don't let her. If your brother needs to consult an attorney, do so. NONE of this is his responsibility as the legal responsibility lies solely with the owner of the bitch, and she can't even prove it was his dog that impregnated her bitch.
I don't know what state you live in, but here in PA the head of the dog law department (which oddly comes under the agricultural department) is excellent and very helpful. I would start there. Whoever that person is in your state will be located in your state's capitol. That person can explain the law and point out where your brother can find legal documents to copy to show this woman that this is none of his responsibility. If it even comes to that. I wouldn't even contact this scam artist, and tell her to look up the law and pound sand if she tries any more contact with you or your brother. I actually had to start with calling my own township administration to just find out who I could talk to about a totally different dog law related matter. They looked up who that person was, already knew they where their office was (in the capitol) and even patched me through directly to his office. I still can't even remember the name of the "dog law" department, I just remember how odd it seemed that it came under the umbrella of the agricultural department, and apparently most states also do it that way.
As for your brother's dog, hormones are very powerful in dogs. Regardless of how normally obedient he is when it comes to a rare gem of a bitch in heat paraded right under his nose nature is going to take over. This is why intact males are always trying to escape when they scent the delectable odor of a bitch in heat in the area and follow their nose to the temptress and why bitches in heat are also wont to escape in order to get to those eager intact males. Nature makes both sexes VERY interested in breeding to the point of acting very uncharacteristically when a bitch is in heat or when an intact male knows there is a bitch in heat in the area.
I'll tell you what, the very fact that this woman took her bitch in heat to a no leash dog park where she knew there might be intact males tells me she had no idea her dog was in heat in the first place, and has no idea what other dogs mounted hers that may have impregnated her dog either on that day or sometime after. All she knows is that she's now stuck with a pregnant bitch that she doesn't want to deal with nor deal with the resulting pups and is trying to make it your brother's problem to restore her dog to an non-pregnant state. She's pulling a scam.
MFM008
(19,818 posts)this can happen. All my animals have been fixed, even the rabbits...3 of them. Animals are happier and healthier and more EVEN tempered. Do it or do it as soon as possible.
Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)she can tell people they're designer dogs
ugh
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/shepadoodle.htm
LisaL
(44,974 posts)Non shedding coat.
When I first heard the name I thought that has to be a stupid looking dog. They don't look too bad.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)Assuming your brother's dog is the father.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)Maury! Oh Maury. If not, I wouldn't pay shit. Could be a slut dog for all you know. She may be getting money from all the potential fathers.
Iggo
(47,566 posts)Then it sounds like your bro's gonna end up in court anyway, gettin' sued for all that lost breeding potential.
So my answer would be, "Eff you. Lady. Your fault. Do what you gotta do."