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The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 03:23 PM Feb 2014

Alabama man seeks mercy for trying to hire KKK hitman to kill black neighbor

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (AP) — An Alabama man is seeking mercy after pleading guilty to trying to hire a Ku Klux Klan hitman to kill a black neighbor.

Attorneys for Allen Wayne Morgan describe the 30-year-old Munford man as a drug-addicted veteran of more than 175 combat missions in Iraq.

The defense says Morgan was suffering severe mental problems when he tried to arrange the hit last year and shouldn't spend more than five years in prison.

Prosecutors are asking for a sentence twice that long during a sentencing hearing set for Thursday afternoon in Birmingham.

http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/article/20140227/NEWS/140227021/Alabama-man-seeks-mercy-trying-hire-KKK-hitman-

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Alabama man seeks mercy for trying to hire KKK hitman to kill black neighbor (Original Post) The Straight Story Feb 2014 OP
Lock this guy up and throw away the fucking key. n/t AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #1
Yep Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #2
I'll have to disagree with you. smokey775 Feb 2014 #3
Well, I meant in a mental facility, not a regular prison. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #6
Are you kidding me. This was a premeditated hit job on a person because he was black. lostincalifornia Feb 2014 #12
Where did you get that idea? TorchTheWitch Feb 2014 #46
Inside information? 840high Feb 2014 #53
Really, and his desire to kill "black people"? He was a racist before Iraq. He knew just who to lostincalifornia Feb 2014 #7
Have you ever been in combat? smokey775 Feb 2014 #11
Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #13
Just what is that supposed to mean? smokey775 Feb 2014 #19
Meaning, maybe, that's it easier to make comments like yours when it's not your race nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #44
Just how does one know what race one is on an internet chat board? smokey775 Feb 2014 #65
You're willing to give him a chance, eh? MineralMan Feb 2014 #14
+1 nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #45
I apologize. smokey775 Feb 2014 #17
my rw acquaintances throw that at me all the time Sheepshank Feb 2014 #35
^^This^^ Jazzgirl Feb 2014 #38
DU isn't the kindest of places nor open to many points of view these days. 1awake Feb 2014 #42
And where in the Alabama prison system is MineralMan Feb 2014 #9
you've already decided he doesn't deserve prison, without knowing the details CreekDog Feb 2014 #18
I'll kindly thank you for not deciding what I've already decided. smokey775 Feb 2014 #22
you just posted what you decided, you just don't want anybody to comment on it CreekDog Feb 2014 #27
You said that I had already decided that he doesn't deserve prison time. smokey775 Feb 2014 #29
He doesn't get a free pass because of his combat service any more than did Timothy McVeigh. Aristus Feb 2014 #25
Geeez, what the hell smokey775 Feb 2014 #26
I'm not the one who said he should get life in prison. Aristus Feb 2014 #28
He thought his wife was 840high Feb 2014 #56
I agree with your disagreeing; but for ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #32
How GOP of you! Unfair sentences! nt Logical Feb 2014 #62
"suffering severe mental problems"? and how did the drug-addition or 175 combat missions in Iraq lostincalifornia Feb 2014 #4
Mental illness doesn't make a non-bigoted person suddenly bigoted. It just doesn't. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #48
Color wouldn't have mattered - he 840high Feb 2014 #58
Morgan thought his neighbor had raped his wife. LiberalAndProud Feb 2014 #61
If he keeps this up, Teabaggers will elect him to office Orrex Feb 2014 #5
Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #8
What do you mean, exactly? Heidi Feb 2014 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #54
Republicans will reply that he was just trying to be a "job creator". 11 Bravo Feb 2014 #10
Some of the responses to this are kind of sickening. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #16
mental illness doesn't make people racist shitbags nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #34
The short answer is "yes it does". Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #36
what's more likely to make someone a racist shitbag: geek tragedy Feb 2014 #37
Put me down for #2. Brigid Feb 2014 #43
No, it does not. Jamastiene Feb 2014 #40
No-one on this thread, certainly. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #64
Mental illness doesn't create bigotry. It may make that bigotry more obvious, though, due to nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #50
Yes, but that's already been ruled out by the court Yo_Mama Feb 2014 #51
When are people going to stop giving their children the middle name of "Wayne" alcibiades_mystery Feb 2014 #20
Wayne Gretzky? gollygee Feb 2014 #21
It's not his middle name alcibiades_mystery Feb 2014 #23
Ah gollygee Feb 2014 #24
Ha! geardaddy Feb 2014 #33
Isn't that also a hate crime? with Federal charges? Sunlei Feb 2014 #30
I'm going to take a stab at this and say that the feds let the state smokey775 Feb 2014 #31
I'm glad he wasn't successful.. stillcool Feb 2014 #39
I don't feel safe from him. Brigid Feb 2014 #41
Nobody is safe from a person like this Yo_Mama Feb 2014 #49
This is a severe crime Yo_Mama Feb 2014 #47
I scoff at the "tough on crime" types as much as anyone, but this clearly deserves 10 years nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #52
Yes, that's my POV Yo_Mama Feb 2014 #57
Some good jury decisions in this thread! (nt) Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #55
Six sentences. LiberalAndProud Feb 2014 #63
Poor guy his mental illness was left untreated and he became a monster racist kimbutgar Feb 2014 #59
I do not condone what he wanted to do but you can't help feeling sad for him. onpatrol98 Feb 2014 #60
 

smokey775

(228 posts)
3. I'll have to disagree with you.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 03:30 PM
Feb 2014

175 combat missions in Iraq? This man needs intense therapy not a life sentence. which I assume by your comment, that's what you want.

5 years with intense therapy coupled with 5 years of parole and continued therapy should suffice.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
6. Well, I meant in a mental facility, not a regular prison.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 03:33 PM
Feb 2014

Well, at the very least, keep this guy on very close watch after he's released from the facility.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
46. Where did you get that idea?
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:24 AM
Feb 2014

The article says it was because he suspected the guy was sleeping with his wife. Call me crazy, but the suspicion of his wife cheating on him with his neighbor was the reason for the hit attempt regardless of the neighbor's race. The only KKK involvement I'm seeing in this story was that the supposed hitman was an FBI agent. Seems to me it was the agent that told this guy the he was a hitman with the KKK in order to gain his trust and make an arrest not that the guy went looking through the KKK in order to find a hitman that just happened to be an FBI agent.

 

smokey775

(228 posts)
11. Have you ever been in combat?
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 03:38 PM
Feb 2014

Unless you have, you have no idea how it messes with your psyche, especially a meat grinder like Iraq was.

I'm willing to give this man a chance to get the help he obviously needs and try to return to return as a productive member of society.

Response to smokey775 (Reply #11)

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
44. Meaning, maybe, that's it easier to make comments like yours when it's not your race
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:16 AM
Feb 2014

that's being targeted by a racist psycho...

MineralMan

(146,320 posts)
14. You're willing to give him a chance, eh?
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 03:41 PM
Feb 2014

Do you live in Alabama? Are you going to help him recover and not hire Klan hitmen again? You may be willing to give him a chance, but I doubt you're willing to be the one who helps him get the care he needs, and Alabama sure isn't going to do it.

 

smokey775

(228 posts)
17. I apologize.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 03:48 PM
Feb 2014

When I signed up here, I just assumed that I was on a progressive website where we had empathy for our fellow humans.

This man may have suffered traumatic PTSD from his experiences in Iraq, I'm not excusing what he did, he needs to pay for his crime, but to just give up on him and "throw away the key" is, in my humble opinion, not the answer.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
35. my rw acquaintances throw that at me all the time
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 05:12 PM
Feb 2014

"I just assumed that I was on a progressive website where we had empathy for our fellow humans. "

Apparently. Libs are supposed to be stupid, gullible, taken in by every sob story, and the utlimate bleeding heart every time all the time. Just so you know...that it's a false equivalency.

1awake

(1,494 posts)
42. DU isn't the kindest of places nor open to many points of view these days.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:09 AM
Feb 2014

He very well may have, and that is something a Doctor needs to investigate further. Locking him up is a great place to start because regardless, he tried to arrange a hit that appears racial motivated. I'm not sure PTSD alone would cover all of that.

MineralMan

(146,320 posts)
9. And where in the Alabama prison system is
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 03:36 PM
Feb 2014

he going to get that "intense therapy?" Do you have an answer for that? The deal is that he tried to hire a racist murderer to kill a black neighbor. Was he mentally ill? Perhaps. Does Alabama have a program to deal with that? No, it does not. In prison, he will not get "intense therapy." No such therapy is available. When on parole, he also wouldn't get "continued therapy." None is available.

I think you are misunderstanding the situation.

Here are the facts about mental health care in Alabama: https://www.nami.org/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm?ContentFileID=93478

 

smokey775

(228 posts)
22. I'll kindly thank you for not deciding what I've already decided.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 04:01 PM
Feb 2014

Yes, he has to pay for his crime with prison time, but not for the rest of his life.
It sounds to me like this man needs some intense therapy while in prison and more after release with close supervision.

 

smokey775

(228 posts)
29. You said that I had already decided that he doesn't deserve prison time.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 04:19 PM
Feb 2014

Kindly show me where I said that?

Aristus

(66,431 posts)
25. He doesn't get a free pass because of his combat service any more than did Timothy McVeigh.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 04:07 PM
Feb 2014

Not unless you're prepared to swear that everybody who comes home from combat does despicable shit like that.

He's a racist piece of shit who deserves hard time.

 

smokey775

(228 posts)
26. Geeez, what the hell
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 04:12 PM
Feb 2014

I didn't say he deserves a free ride because he's a combat veteran, he deserves prison time for his crime, but to suggest that he deserves life in prison is over the top.

He should get 5 years for the offense couple with 5 years parole and intense therapy and close supervision.

Aristus

(66,431 posts)
28. I'm not the one who said he should get life in prison.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 04:16 PM
Feb 2014

Al I said was 'hard time'.

And yes, this is a progressive website, where we have empathy for our fellow human beings. But the empathy in this case rightly goes to the intended target of this guy's putrid bigotry. Get the maggot off the streets, and the black man he wanted to murder will be at least a little safer.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
32. I agree with your disagreeing; but for ...
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 05:04 PM
Feb 2014

a different reason.

I don't think Black folks, in general, will be endangered ... just those that he suspects are sleeping with his wife. This guy probably would have had a white guy killed if he suspected him of sleeping with his wife; but chose a fake kkker because he suspected the kkker would be happy to kill a Black man for sleeping with a white woman.

But that said ... see ya, drug addicted, 175 combat missions in Iraq, in need of intense therapy guy. Probably wouldn't be a good idea to share your conviction with the "Brothers."

lostincalifornia

(3,639 posts)
4. "suffering severe mental problems"? and how did the drug-addition or 175 combat missions in Iraq
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 03:32 PM
Feb 2014

cause him to want to kill his African American neighbor? I don't think so

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
48. Mental illness doesn't make a non-bigoted person suddenly bigoted. It just doesn't.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:27 AM
Feb 2014

If anything, loss of self-control may simply cause those tendencies to bubble to the surface.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
61. Morgan thought his neighbor had raped his wife.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:55 AM
Feb 2014

At least, according to this article. There is also a mention of a prior record.
http://www.myfoxal.com/story/23259716/fbi-anniston-man-hired-undercover-agent-to-kill-neighbor

But, I guess we all know what really happened.

Response to The Straight Story (Original post)

Response to Heidi (Reply #15)

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
16. Some of the responses to this are kind of sickening.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 03:45 PM
Feb 2014

You may know that the man was sane from some source other than the OP, which clearly does not justify that inference.

But if you don't, you have no business assuming that he was in a fit mental state to be held morally or legally responsible for his actions.

"Not of sound mind" is an acceptable exculpatory factor for any crime, including murder and certainly including racism.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
37. what's more likely to make someone a racist shitbag:
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 05:21 PM
Feb 2014

1) mental illness;
2) growing up white in Alabama?

I'd wager there's a higher correlation between white supremacy and (2) than there is with white supremacy and (1)

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
50. Mental illness doesn't create bigotry. It may make that bigotry more obvious, though, due to
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:29 AM
Feb 2014

the person losing control of themselves. But I'm 99.9% sure Nash was already an anti-Semite before he went crazy - in the time and place he came from, anti-Semitism was likely more the rule than the exception.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
51. Yes, but that's already been ruled out by the court
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:31 AM
Feb 2014

He wasn't found not guilty by reason of mental incapacity. This is about sentencing after conviction.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
30. Isn't that also a hate crime? with Federal charges?
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 04:33 PM
Feb 2014

The Feds put away people for decades for a lot less. They just put a Nun in prison for 3 years for going on private property. The young man who guessed Palins yahoo email password got 3 years.

 

smokey775

(228 posts)
31. I'm going to take a stab at this and say that the feds let the state
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 04:36 PM
Feb 2014

handle this as this was a state crime.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
39. I'm glad he wasn't successful..
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 05:26 PM
Feb 2014

The problem is the disparity in our justice system. Jails are full of drug addicted veterans. "Trying his best" to hire a kkk hitman screams racially motivated, and considering recent events...? But then it's Alabama.

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
41. I don't feel safe from him.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:03 AM
Feb 2014

And I'm as lily white as you please. Whom is he going to decide needs to be "hit" next? And "intensive therapy?" Don't make me laugh. How long is the waiting list at the VA for veterans suffering from PTSD who need treatment? I don't even want to think about it. And don't tell me this guy wasn't a racist nut job before he ever signed up for military service. I'll have to do a little research on this, but I hear that the military has been having a big problem with skinhead and neo-Nazi types in the ranks.

ETA: Yep, I was right. Just Google "military neo-Nazis" and feast your eyes.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
49. Nobody is safe from a person like this
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:29 AM
Feb 2014

It's probably true that black people are LESS safe. But geeze. Anyone who is willing to consider killing another person out of anything less than urgent defense of life is a public danger.

Yeah, this guy is a racist SOB.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
47. This is a severe crime
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:26 AM
Feb 2014

And the public is in danger. Give him the ten and then let him ask the parole board for mercy.

Drug addiction is no excuse for trying to end people's lives.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
52. I scoff at the "tough on crime" types as much as anyone, but this clearly deserves 10 years
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:32 AM
Feb 2014

at the very minimum. More so because he was essentially targeting an entire race - that's the nature and purpose of a hate crime.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
57. Yes, that's my POV
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:38 AM
Feb 2014

I would say fifteen years would be better, and then if he can shape up in prison perhaps parole. But five years is way too short.

kimbutgar

(21,172 posts)
59. Poor guy his mental illness was left untreated and he became a monster racist
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:05 AM
Feb 2014

That is the most messed up thing about Bush's unnecessary wars. Lost people with mental illness and no help for them only jail.

I do not condone what he wanted to do but you can't help feeling sad for him.

onpatrol98

(1,989 posts)
60. I do not condone what he wanted to do but you can't help feeling sad for him.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:17 AM
Feb 2014

I bet the guy he tried to put the hit on isn't feeling very sad for him...

He "suspected" the neighbor was sleeping with his wife. Heck...what if he suspected the whole neighborhood was sleeping with his wife? What if he hadn't taken the intermediary step of looking to outsource the job? This could've ended very badly.

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