Tucker Carlson: Making businesses serve gay customers is “fascism”

[DonViejo]

Does this mean Carlson thinks segregation is freedom? (Yes)

ELIAS ISQUITH

Appearing on Fox News on Wednesday, Daily Caller editor and part-time Fox News co-host Tucker Carlson weighed in on SB 1062, Arizona’s much-debated new bill that supporters say will protect religious freedom but opponents call an anti-gay version of Jim Crow. His take was as nuanced and thoughtful as always: He said those who believe a business owner should not be able to refuse service to someone just because they think they’re gay are fascists.

“It’s pretty simple,” Carlson began. “I mean, if you want to have a gay wedding, fine, go ahead. If I don’t want to bake you a cake for your gay wedding, that’s OK too. Or should be. That’s called tolerance. But when you try and force me to bake a cake for your gay wedding and threaten me with prison if I don’t, that’s called fascism.” Carlson then went on to argue that no gay people he knows want to see cake refuseniks go to jail, anyway, and asked, “So who are we protecting here?”

Later on during the segment, Fox’s longtime house liberal Alan Colmes tried to deconstruct Carlson’s logic, asking the right-wing pundit whether he opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, a bill whose opponents made almost exactly the same arguments as supporters of the Arizona bill make today. Carlson reacted with disgust, claiming that it was a totally illegitimate comparison. “Don’t bring [that] into this,” Carlson sneered.

“The bottom line,” he said to Colmes, “is that you’re defending the use of government to crush people who don’t want to bake a cake for a gay wedding. I’m just telling you, this has gone too far. Everybody in America is terrified to tell the truth, which is, this is insane, this is not tolerance, this is fascism.”

http://www.salon.com/2014/02/26/tucker_carlson_making_businesses_serve_gay_customers_is_fascism/

[spanone]

1. he probably feels the same about serving blacks & foreigners

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

2. Making anyone listen to Tucker Carlson is torture

Unless it's his screams as his head is dunked in a full toilet of feces.

[RKP5637]

7. How in the world can you differentiate a feces-head like him and a full toilet of feces! I've always

viewed him as a walking POS!

[indepat]

16. Seeing Tfucker Carlson's head dunked in a full toilet of feces would be a sight to behold

and certainly warm lots of cockles.

[Egalitarian Thug]

42. That was his standard post when the other rich kids would beat up on him.

They called him "Swirly" Carlson in prep school.

[RKP5637]

3. Then they should be made to post signs like the old "Colored People" signs. That way,

everyone can recognize them as bigoted homophobes.

[lostincalifornia]

4. and I am sure "some of his best friends" are gay

[SummerSnow]

13. I think so...

what if someone refuse to serve him wearing that shirt?

[Jamastiene]

38. No, he goes and gets his friends to beat gay people up,

because he thinks any gay man would want his sorry ass. http://gawker.com/294673/tucker-carlson-beats-up-gay-men-with-his-friends

[William769]

5. Making people listen to Tucker Carlson is cruel and unusual punishment. nt

[Jamastiene]

39. +1000000

[shenmue]

6. Anybody else think Tucker Carlson is a weasel?

The greatest thread title I have ever seen on this site was a few years ago:

"TUCKER CARLSON GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU SCUMBAG."

[SummerSnow]

12. I would never disrespect weasels...he is weasel excrement though

[Aerows]

14. Weasels are kind of cool

They are neat animals. Tucker Carlson? I have a hard time comparing him to any animal, but a virus or an ameoba might do.

[SummerSnow]

15. I will now call him Fucker Carlson

[JHB]

17. I went with "Ducker"...

...when he started on the devamped Crossfire. He always, always rang their little bell to duck out of non-softball questions.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

8. If you're talking about private individuals, he's quite right.

If you're a private individual, you have the right to bake or not to bake cakes for whoever you like, on whatever grounds you choose, immoral or otherwise.

On the other hand, if you're a large, or even a small, cake-baking company, you should be held to the standards of public life, including non-discrimination.

The difficult question is where the boundary is - if I occasionally bake cakes for friends for money, should I be required to do so for strangers? What if I earn a living at it, but I'm still basically a person not a business? Or a small one-man bakery? Or a two-man bakery? Or a medium-sized one? At what point does private stop and public start?

[WinkyDink]

43. It STARTS with your G-D LICENSE AND TAX STATUS.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

53. Tax status makes some sense as a standard, I agree.

What's a G-D license? I'm guessing it's an American thing?

[Blue_Tires]

54. The boundary is marked by

Business Licenses, Permits, & Tax Registrations...

[SummerSnow]

9. And the beat goes on....this is one reason why they will never win the WhiteHouse.

[sibelian]

10. Lord help him.

He's just not very bright.

[frazzled]

11. Oh, no he di'int

I cannot believe he said that.

[KansDem]

18. Privileged bastard

Carlson was born in San Francisco, California. He grew up in Carlsbad, an affluent resort town north of San Diego. He is the elder son of Richard Warner Carlson, a former Los Angeles news anchor and U.S. ambassador to the Seychelles who was president of the Corporation for Public Broadcasting and director of Voice of America.[2] His adoptive mother is Patricia Caroline Swanson (born 1945), former wife of Howard Feldman and an heiress to the Swanson food-conglomerate fortune.[2][3] He has a brother, Buckley Swanson Peck Carlson.[4][5] A great-uncle was Sen. J. William Fulbright.[3]

He attended St. George's School, a boarding school in Middletown, Rhode Island. After graduation, he majored in History at Trinity College in Hartford, Connecticut.

He is married to Susan Carlson, née Andrews. They have four children together: Lillie, Hopie, Dorothy, and Buckley.[6][7][8][9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tucker_Carlson

[KatyMan]

27. Buckley Swanson Peck Carlson? OMG

What a name...not much worse than Tucker Swanson McNear Carlson...or Mitt I guess.

[hatrack]

40. H. Boothroyd Twiggins Stumbleworthy von Haupstadt und Carlson . . . .

the Third.

[pipi_k]

19. One thing he says makes sense here...

“It’s pretty simple,” Carlson began. “I mean, if you want to have a gay wedding, fine, go ahead. If I don’t want to bake you a cake for your gay wedding, that’s OK too. Or should be. That’s called tolerance. But when you try and force me to bake a cake for your gay wedding

And I'll tell you why

If I'm gay and I try to force someone to bake me a wedding cake, that's not a good thing

Because yeah... he'll bake that cake, but God only knows what he'll put in it.


Which is not to say that discrimination is good or should be allowed. It sucks and it should not be allowed.

But never....NEVER...force someone to cook something you're going to eat.

So I say, stay away from the idiots who won't do business with certain people. And tell your friends and family to stay away from them too.

I'm not usually one for boycotts, because the scope is usually too large (boycott the state of Florida? Walmart??)

But boycott local companies acting like assholes...yeah. That can be highly effective...

[YOHABLO]

22. Yes, and you had better be nice to your waiter!

[Johonny]

35. Some people don't get the difference between you and your company

No one is telling people gay people can break into your house and force you to bake them a fucking birthday cake. All they are saying is if your company makes birthday cakes it makes birthday cakes. Companies don't get free harassment passes because outside your company you're an *hole. If you want to do commerce on the open market you follow the market rules. If when you go home you want to hate people then that's allowed. It's not amazing most companies don't want special harassment free cards in bills because they have a work place to run.

[Major Nikon]

48. I understand your point

But the dipshit is claiming...

If I don’t want to bake you a cake for your gay wedding, that’s OK too. Or should be. That’s called tolerance.

That's called intolerance. In typical dipshit, subliterate rightwing fashion he's got tolerance exactly backwards.

tol·er·ance/ˈtɒlərəns/ Show Spelled [tol-er-uhns]
noun
1. a fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward those whose opinions, practices, race, religion, nationality, etc., differ from one's own; freedom from bigotry.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/tolerance

[pipi_k]

49. And he is

a dipshit for claiming that.

No doubt about it.

And, IMO, he did something very sneaky there by putting the onus of tolerance on people who disagree with the concept of being able to discriminate based on race, gender, etc.

In essence, he's claiming that liberal minded people are being horribly intolerant by not allowing someone else to run his business the way he sees fit.

Very twisted...

[malaise]

20. Has Richie Rich ever read a fugging book?

Stupid fugg.

[Old and In the Way]

21. If you make your living selling products to the public, you don't get to determine what makes up the

public. Close down your shop and sell you cakes on Free Republic. At the very least, these shops need to clearly show their bigotry, so the community can understand who they are financially supporting. Personally, I'd have a big problem serving people of a Republican persuation. Maybe political IDs would be needed?

[YOHABLO]

24. ... or bakng a wedding cake for a KKK member!

[Old and In the Way]

25. Sadly, true....but

you don't see Democrats trying to legislate discrimination do you? The free market will eventually dictate if one's political ideas translate to sales growth or bankruptcy..

[ladjf]

23. Carlson seems to be getting dumber with age. nt

[frwrfpos]

26. take his bowtie off him

and tell him to eat it to keep the stupidity and racism from pouring out of his ugly mouth

[3catwoman3]

32. Maybe the bowtie...

...is too tight and is cutting off the supply of oxygen to his brain.

[MADem]

28. I think Fucker Carlson is a fascist! And he's an asshole, too....nt

[Walk away]

29. Tucker's act is just that, an act. It's a weird way to make a living....

but it's just a job.

[rhett o rick]

30. Poor Tucker, he doesnt know his history very well. Fascists dont like gays and in fact some

fascists gased them.

[Gothmog]

31. Tucker is an idiot

Does anyone pay attention to Tucker Carlson any longer?

[muntrv]

33. Hey Tucker! Are you also OK with an atheist business owner refusing to serve

fundy jackoffs like yourself?

[toddwv]

34. Sure. And all those Jews that fought against the Nazis...

Fascist!

What an idiot he is. The right-wing will use ANYTHING they can to justify their hatred. Such shining examples of Jesus's edicts to love thy neighbor.

[LiberalArkie]

36. Where have I heard "We don't serve your kind here" before. I can't remember.

[Jamastiene]

37. No, fascism is insisting one groups beliefs dictate who gets served dinner

and who does not, but that never made Tucker Carlson, who is LITERALLY a gay basher, STFU before.

http://gawker.com/294673/tucker-carlson-beats-up-gay-men-with-his-friends

[pacalo]

41. No one's forcing that baker to bake anything -- the baker is getting *paid* for it.

And refusing service to anyone based on prejudice is not "tolerance".

“It’s pretty simple,” Carlson began. “I mean, if you want to have a gay wedding, fine, go ahead. If I don’t want to bake you a cake for your gay wedding, that’s OK too. Or should be. That’s called tolerance. But when you try and force me to bake a cake for your gay wedding and threaten me with prison if I don’t, that’s called fascism.”

[WinkyDink]

44. I wish I owned a business he frequented so I could refuse him.

[gollygee]

45. That's always been the excuse for bigotry and discrimination

Freedom. Of course it's only freedom for people in a position of power. It's pretty horrible for everyone else.

[B Calm]

46. I think Tucker got that backwards. .

[JHB]

47. Ducker was never the prize he imagined himelf to be, but...

...did he give up even the pretense of making a sensible argument?

The smartest thing on him was the bow tie, and he gave even that up.

"Don't bring the most obvious analogy into this. My claim only works if you forget everything else, so stop remembering things."

[pampango]

50. Everyone you disagree with is not a fascist, Tucker. See the definition:

Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism.

Fascist movements shared certain common features, including the veneration of the state, a devotion to a strong leader, and an emphasis on nationalism and militarism. Fascism views political violence, war, and imperialism as a means to achieve national rejuvenation and asserts that stronger nations have the right to expand their territory by displacing weaker nations.

Fascism borrowed theories and terminology from socialism but replaced socialism's focus on class conflict with a focus on conflict between nations and races. Fascists advocate a mixed economy, with the principal goal of achieving autarky (when an entity can survive or continue its activities without external assistance or international trade) to secure national self-sufficiency and independence through protectionist and interventionist economic policies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Tucker, switching the focus from class conflict to a focus on "us vs. them" based on "nations (nationalities) or races" or sexual orientation (all attributes one is born with) is the essence of fascism.

[adavid]

51. Bow tie guy ...

only proved that he does not know the definition of fascism.

[doc03]

52. Under fascism didn't they just send gays to the concentration camp? n/t

[raven mad]

55. I still can't find that "Christians are so persecuted" chart...........

but I'm beginning to wish they were.